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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Essex => England => Essex Lookup Requests => Topic started by: Gary Allison on Monday 23 March 20 03:05 GMT (UK)
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Looking for any info re the following.
Lucy Drinkwater m. Alfred Lowry Hemming
Event Place: West Ham, Essex, England
Registration District: West Ham
County: Essex
Registration Year: 1924
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Page: 758
George Phillips father of George Phillips who m. Mary Tofts Langley
Mary Simmons
Baptism
15 Jul 1804 James son of George & Mary (Simmons) Phillips
There is no marriage in the PRs for a Phillips/Peacock in 1825, there is this one..
St John the evangelist, Langley
2 March 1825
Thomas Phillips & Lydia Monk both single and of parish.
I've had a look through the Stanstead PRs and there is an Elizabeth Peacock baptised in 1803, but it is definitely not Peacock on the marriage, so perhaps someone has added Peacock because it ties in with the age given on the census (48). On family trees that I have looked at with a Phillips/Peacock marriage, they are saying that it took place in Langley with GUESS? wrote beneath so it shows that it hasn't been researched properly.
Thanks very much for that. I cannot find Eliza Bonneton perhaps it might be Bonython. Is it possible she was a Peacock & m & Bonneton.
Any help on this convoluted family would be fantastic.
Regards,
Gary
Australia.
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You have put:
'Lucy Drinkwater m. Alfred Lowry Hemming
Event Place: West Ham, Essex, England
Registration District: West Ham County: Essex
Registration Year: 1924 Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep Page: 758'
How do these people fit into your family, and what do you already know about them - parents or children?
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Where does the surname 'Peacock' come from - where did you find it in an ancestor's family?
You have put
'There is no marriage in the PRs for a Phillips/Peacock in 1825, there is this one..
St John the evangelist, Langley
2 March 1825
Thomas Phillips & Lydia Monk both single and of parish.'
No, that is a Phillips/Monk marriage, both single, so she has not been married before.
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' I cannot find Eliza Bonneton perhaps it might be Bonython. Is it possible she was a Peacock & m & Bonneton.'
Where is she meant to have been born, who does she marry, what children does she have?
Thank-you
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According to Ancestry Andrews index cards, Alfred Lowry Hemming died in Ilford in December 1953, late of 34 Rosher Road, West Ham, so this death, without his middle name:
Deaths December quarter 1953
Alfred Hemming age 70 (born about 1883) in Ilford
That would make him 41 for the marriage quoted, so could have married before, so need marriage certificate for his status and father's name - or do you know them?
As there are several births for Alfred Hemming (no L) around 1883, though only one in the London area, you need the marriage certificate.
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From ancestry
George Phillips widower married Mary Toofs spinster on 6 February 1772 at Langley St John the Evangelist Essex. Witness Edward Newton and Richard Eve.
Is this the one you are referring to?
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George Phillips married Mary Simmons 3 March 1801 same church witness was Bailey Simmons all made their mark plus John Mosbey who signs, he signs several others on the page so probably the parish clerk.
Both of the parish and single
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Mary (nee Simmons) Phillips was buried 20 April 1820 at Langley age 41
George then married 2nd Kezia Prentice also a widow 19 December 1823
You can see them on the 1841 census for Langley.
George Phillips age 60
Kezia age 60
Mary Prentice age 30 possible daughter of her first marriage.
Possible burial for George 3 January 1848 age 74 in register
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Hi.
Thanks very much for that.
Re Lucy & Alfred I cannot find any children. He was born in Melbourne & was a Purser on a ship.
The Phillips family is a mess. Do you have George's 1st wife & if there where any children or where he was born.
The marriage of Thomas Phillips to Peacock has no logic. It appears he m. Lydia Monk.
James Philipps & Eliza Bonneton with consent of parents were married by banns on 9 Feb 1824. No record can be found re her birth.
St Mary the virgin and St John the evangelist, Stansted Mountfitchet
No parents for Mary Simmons.
Cheers,
Gary.
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Do you know who Kezia married & if they had children.
Cheers,
Gary.
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Could this be the Kazia.
Cheers.
Kezia Piggott
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1841
Event Place: Langley, Essex, England, United Kingdom
Residence Note: Upper Green
Gender: Female
Age: 55
Age (Original): 55
Birth Year (Estimated): 1782-1786
Birthplace: Essex
Registration District: Saffron Walden
Parish: Langley
County: Essex
Page Number: 9
Registration Number: HO107
Piece/Folio: 327/7
Affiliate Record Type: Institution
Household
Role
Sex
Age
Birthplace
Kezia Piggott
Female
55
Essex
Hannah Piggott
Female
15
Essex
Thomas Piggott
Male
15
Essex
Susan Piggott
Female
15
Susan Abraham
Female
60
Essex
Kezia Piggot
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This is a little confusing. It may be better to put each request on a separate thread?
Alfred Lowry HEMMING birth in Sandhurst, Victoria 1882 (5338 / 1882) parents: Alfred Henry HEMMING and Clara Harriet WHITE.
He can be seen in the 1911 census as 2nd steward on the Incharga, and notes he is married.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X7P5-N7C
So a widower on the 1924 marriage?
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Prentice
Kezia first married George Prentice I found 2 baptisms so far listing parents as George and Kezia
Mary bap 10 May 1807 (1841 census age 30) she was buried 24 March 1843 age 33 at Langley.
Charlotte bap 24 December 1809 married Robert Jordan 16 May 1830 at Langley witness James Phillips and Susan Prentice.
Then this one
Susan Prentice bap 25 Feb 1816 mother Kezia Prentice, pauper of Upper Green Langley.
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George Prentice married Kezia Pegran 24 December 1806 at Langley
He was buried 7 August 1810
So Susan Prentice's father is unknown
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This is a little confusing. It may be better to put each request on a separate thread?
Alfred Lowry HEMMING birth in Sandhurst, Victoria 1882 (5338 / 1882) parents: Alfred Henry HEMMING and Clara Harriet WHITE.
He can be seen in the 1911 census as 2nd steward on the Incharga, and notes he is married.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X7P5-N7C
So a widower on the 1924 marriage?
Death notice for Alfred Henry HEMMING 1914 in Sydney, Australia, notes son Alfred L HEMMING, of London and other family.
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article15520986
and death notice for mother Clara HEMMING 1920
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article16872803
Modified to add:
There is also this article from 1901 where Alfred Lowry HEMMING is witness to an accident - says he was a picture framer.
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1851 census
Keziah Phillips is in Clavering Essex age 74 born Westmill Hertfordshire
with her is William Jordan her grandson age 10
She was buried in Clavering St Mary and St Clement 21 March 1858 age 82
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Death notice for Alfred Henry HEMMING 1914 in Sydney, Australia, notes son Alfred L HEMMING, of London and other family.
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article15520986
and death notice for mother Clara HEMMING 1920
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article16872803
Modified to add:
There is also this article from 1901 where Alfred Lowry HEMMING is witness to an accident - says he was a picture framer.
Also a silver wedding anniversary notice for Alfred Henry HEMMING (son of late Joseph HEMMING, pin manufacturer, Dursley) and Clara Harriet WHITE (daughter of late Arthur WHITE Esq of Chesterfield), married 18 Sept, 1877 in Dursley, Gloucestershire.
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article14510128
(so from FreeBMD - Dursley (6a/483)
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'Re Lucy & Alfred I cannot find any children. He was born in Melbourne & was a Purser on a ship.'
How is he related to you then - you have put him in an Essex Lookup request, but know he was a purser and was from Melbourne (Australia).
Unless you split up your separate requests you are going to get very multi-stranded postings.
Your 1841 census entry - could you edit it please, and remove the gaps so it is easier to read and understand.
Thank-you
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Hi.
Thanks for all the info & I'm closing info research for Alfred Lowry Hemming. Was interested if he had any children.
I have found a lot of info re Kezia's previous marriage & her forebears. I do not know where all the various names such as Bonneton & Peacock came from & I am convinced that Thomas m. Lydia Monk.
Bailey Simmons must be a sibling of Mary but no parents found.
Cannot find a 1st marriage for George Phillips or any children.
Could I ask you for your name. You have been very helpful & it would be good to know this. Any more info greatly accepted.
Cheers,
Gary
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3 different people have been helping you on here.
If you just split your questions into separate queries, post separately with full known verified information, then you will find lots of people desperate to help you.
Pat
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Hi Pat.
Thanks to you & the other two.
Looking for parents of Mary Simmons who m.
3 March 1801 #George Phillips & #Mary Simmons (hard to read her surname) both of the parish (can't find baptism or mention of Mary in PRs before parish)
One Witness was Bailey Simmons.
Cheers,
Gary.
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Looking for the following.
Parents of George Phillips who m. Mary Tofts , his 1st wife & if there were children by that marriage.
Cheers,
Gary.
#14 Feb 1773 George son of #George & #Mary Philips nee Tofts.