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Lockdown
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I don't usually watch the PM's broadcast as reading or seeing too much of the news has depressed me, but I have watched this broadcast. Dreadful.
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I don't usually watch the PM's broadcast as reading or seeing too much of the news has depressed me, but I have watched this broadcast. Dreadful.
And a big relief. It was time.
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Yes, indeed.
Stay home.
Protect the NHS.
Save Lives.
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Prime Minister Statement
The coronavirus is the biggest threat this country has faced for decades – and this country is not alone.
All over the world we are seeing the devastating impact of this invisible killer And so tonight I want to update you on the latest steps we are taking to fight the disease and what you can do to help.
And I want to begin by reminding you why the UK has been taking the approach that we have.
Without a huge national effort to halt the growth of this virus, there will come a moment when no health service in the world could possibly cope; because there won’t be enough ventilators, enough intensive care beds, enough doctors and nurses.
And as we have seen elsewhere, in other countries that also have fantastic health care systems, that is the moment of real danger.
To put it simply, if too many people become seriously unwell at one time, the NHS will be unable to handle it - meaning more people are likely to die, not just from Coronavirus but from other illnesses as well.
So it’s vital to slow the spread of the disease.
Because that is the way we reduce the number of people needing hospital treatment at any one time, so we can protect the NHS’s ability to cope - and save more lives.
And that’s why we have been asking people to stay at home during this pandemic.
And though huge numbers are complying – and I thank you all - the time has now come for us all to do more.
From this evening I must give the British people a very simple instruction - you must stay at home.
Because the critical thing we must do is stop the disease spreading between households.
That is why people will only be allowed to leave their home for the following very limited purposes:
shopping for basic necessities, as infrequently as possible
one form of exercise a day - for example a run, walk, or cycle - alone or with members of your household;
any medical need, to provide care or to help a vulnerable person; and
travelling to and from work, but only where this is absolutely necessary and cannot be done from home.
That’s all - these are the only reasons you should leave your home.
You should not be meeting friends. If your friends ask you to meet, you should say No.
You should not be meeting family members who do not live in your home.
You should not be going shopping except for essentials like food and medicine — and you should do this as little as you can. And use food delivery services where you can.
If you don’t follow the rules the police will have the powers to enforce them, including through fines and dispersing gatherings.
To ensure compliance with the Government’s instruction to stay at home, we will immediately:
close all shops selling non-essential goods, including clothing and electronic stores and other premises including libraries, playgrounds and outdoor gyms, and places of worship;
we will stop all gatherings of more than two people in public – excluding people you live with;
and we’ll stop all social events, including weddings, baptisms and other ceremonies, but excluding funerals.
Parks will remain open for exercise but gatherings will be dispersed. No Prime Minister wants to enact measures like this.
I know the damage that this disruption is doing and will do to people’s lives, to their businesses and to their jobs.
And that’s why we have produced a huge and unprecedented programme of support both for workers and for business.
And I can assure you that we will keep these restrictions under constant review. We will look again in three weeks, and relax them if the evidence shows we are able to.
But at present there are just no easy options. The way ahead is hard, and it is still true that many lives will sadly be lost.
And yet it is also true that there is a clear way through.
Day by day we are strengthening our amazing NHS with 7500 former clinicians now coming back to the service.
With the time you buy – by simply staying at home - we are increasing our stocks of equipment.
We are accelerating our search for treatments.
We are pioneering work on a vaccine.
And we are buying millions of testing kits that will enable us to turn the tide on this invisible killer.
I want to thank everyone who is working flat out to beat the virus.
Everyone from the supermarket staff to the transport workers to the carers to the nurses and doctors on the frontline.
But in this fight we can be in no doubt that each and every one of us is directly enlisted.
Each and every one of us is now obliged to join together.
To halt the spread of this disease.
To protect our NHS and to save many many thousands of lives.
And I know that as they have in the past so many times.
The people of this country will rise to that challenge.
And we will come through it stronger than ever.
We will beat the coronavirus and we will beat it together.
And therefore I urge you at this moment of national emergency to stay at home, protect our NHS and save lives.
Thank you.
https://www.itv.com/news/2020-03-23/coronavirus-outbreak-prime-minister-boris-johnson-statement-in-full-three-week-lockdown/
Moderator Comment: Statement added.
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Lock down in New Zealand 11.59 pm Wednesday
Just over 48 hrs notice.
Carparks at supermarkets full 2 hrs before opening. Long queues
Everyone stockpiling everything.
We have been told supermarkets will be open during lockdown.
Petrol stations full with people trying to fill their cars.
Madness
Carol in New Zealand
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Lockdown
Well, you'll get used to it. I've been locked down for more than a week, already. In that time. I've stepped out into the street four times - twice to take trash to the dumpster and twice just to peek. Total elapsed time less than five minutes and I didn't get closer than twenty yards to another person [very, very few are out and about, anyway].
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We are allowed one walk a day for exercise.
Correction - we are allowed out once a day for exercise
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I've been sticking strictly to the government guidelines and I know they're right to take this measure. I just can't believe things have come to this and can't get rid of this horrible feeling inside, it's like a stone inside me. I wake up every morning feeling depressed and now I just want to cry.
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We can take an hour or so on a short walk. ;)
Has anyone noticed how a walk has different meanings for different people, friends come back from a walk and if you ask what they saw you can get a reply, oh we were walking, we didn’t stop to look, we did six miles, 8060 paces, average speed 2.976 miles an hour.
Others will list a dozen different birds, twenty interesting wild plants, a distant view, and they’ve only been a mile and taken two hours.
Mike
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Have also been in lockdown for over a week. Been out once to get flu jab and that was yesterday.
I had to stay in my car and wait for 10 minutes then i was allowed in. Whole place empty. Saw nurse got jab and then back to my car for 20 minutes. Was then told i could home. No stopping on the way.
Had to get a friend to pick up my medicine.
I know if i stick to the rules i will get through this. It's not hard just use commonsense.
Carol
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Dearest Rosemary,
It was a limpid dreary day, hung as in a basket from a single dull star. I thank you for your letter. Outside, I perceive what may be a collection of fallen leaves tussling against a trash can. It rings like jazz to my ears. The streets are that empty. It seems as though the bulk of the city has retreated to their quarters, rightfully so. At this time it seems very poignant to avoid all public spaces. Even the bars, as I told Hemingway, but to that he punched me in the stomach, to which I asked if he had washed his hands. He hadn’t. He is much the denier, that one. Why, he considers the virus to be just influenza. I’m curious of his sources.
The officials have alerted us to ensure we have a month’s worth of necessities. Zelda and I have stocked up on red wine, whiskey, rum, vermouth, absinthe, white wine, sherry, gin, and lord, if we need it, brandy.
Please pray for us. You should see the square, oh, it is terrible. I weep for the damned eventualities this future brings, the long afternoons rolling forward slowly on the ever-slick highball. Z says it’s no excuse to drink, but I just can’t seem to steady my hand. In the distance, from my brooding perch, the shoreline is cloaked in a dull haze where I can discern an unremitting penance that has been heading this way for a long, long while. And yes, amongst the cracked cloud line of an evening’s cast, I focus on a single strain of light, calling me forth to believe in a better morrow.
Faithfully yours F Scott Fitzgerald
The above was written by Fitzgerald 100 years ago in 1920 when quarantined in France with Spanish flu. Cabin fever, panic buying (of booze), hand washing, folk still frequenting bars and writing it off as a minor flu. No shortage of toilet paper, but otherwise does this ring any bells?
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Official guidelines:
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/874714/Full_guidance_on_staying_at_home_and_away_from_others.pdf
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Official guidelines:
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/874714/Full_guidance_on_staying_at_home_and_away_from_others.pdf
Conflicting information on whether we should go to work tomorrow.
The link posted by Gadget says:
Travelling to and from work, but only where this absolutely cannot be done from home.
Sadiq Khan says:
Travelling to work only if you work in a critical industry like the NHS
https://www.itv.com/news/london/2020-03-23/sadiq-khan-everyone-must-now-stay-home-only-leave-if-essential/
???
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Official guidelines:
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/874714/Full_guidance_on_staying_at_home_and_away_from_others.pdf
Conflicting information on whether we should go to work tomorrow.
The link posted by Gadget says:
Travelling to and from work, but only where this absolutely cannot be done from home.
Sadiq Khan says:
Travelling to work only if you work in a critical industry like the NHS
https://www.itv.com/news/london/2020-03-23/sadiq-khan-everyone-must-now-stay-home-only-leave-if-essential/
???
I’d say it’s a question of life or death, is your work more important than keeping yourself, your family or your neighbours safe and potentially alive..? If the answer is yes, you go to work, if not you stay at home.
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Suey,
Keeping everyone safe is obviously the most important, but these conflicting statements will cause unnecessary confusion for many people. If I listen to Boris I should go, if I listen to Sadiq I should stay home. I wonder which version my employer is listening to.
I will have to phone them in the morning.
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The above was written by Fitzgerald 100 years ago in 1920 when quarantined in France with Spanish flu. Cabin fever, panic buying (of booze), hand washing, folk still frequenting bars and writing it off as a minor flu. No shortage of toilet paper, but otherwise does this ring any bells?
https://www.mcsweeneys.net/articles/this-side-of-paradise-a-letter-from-f-scott-fitzgerald-quarantined-in-the-south-of-france
NOTE: This is a work of parody, and is not an actual letter written by Fitzgerald.
Debra :)
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My 3 piece suite went away last week to be recovered, tomorrow I was due to have a carpet laid before the suite returns, all cancelled, so I feel as if we are living in chaos, dismantled the table and moved furniture out of the lounge today only to be told at 6.30 it is all cancelled, still we won't be having visitors so I don't mind the disruption, but for how long?, all bad timing on my part but we weren't to know
Felt really sorry for the carpet laying company, they had a house to lay carpets in for a new mother of a 3 day old baby moving into a new home tomorrow, can't be done
But as long as we all obey the instruction it should all work out for everyone
Louisa Maud
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I wonder which version my employer is listening to.
I will have to phone them in the morning.
The Government overrides anything of a local authority.
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On BBC Newsnight
Absolutely appalled that one UK Retailer is reported as trying to get round our PM's Statement, whilst two Midlands NHS Staff are reported in Intensive Care with Corona Virus and one was transferred to a Specialist Unit.
UK - Only Essential Food or Medicine is 'Essential' and that has restrictions.
Mark
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At least two weeks to late but better late than not at all.
Been online to shop, no delivery slots, no click and collect slots.
Sainsbury’s impossible to contact to register as being self isolating due to health issues
And now Boris orders total lockdown so even less chance of this pair of 70 plussers getting groceries delivered.
Will have to risk going in person during one of the oldies sessions.
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Suey,
Keeping everyone safe is obviously the most important, but these conflicting statements will cause unnecessary confusion for many people. If I listen to Boris I should go, if I listen to Sadiq I should stay home. I wonder which version my employer is listening to.
I will have to phone them in the morning.
Surely going on the London Tube is a gathering of more than 2 people.
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At least two weeks to late but better late than not at all.
Been online to shop, no delivery slots, no click and collect slots.
Sainsbury’s impossible to contact to register as being self isolating due to health issues
And now Boris orders total lockdown so even less chance of this pair of 70 plussers getting groceries delivered.
Will have to risk going in person during one of the oldies sessions.
Registered on three sites, two have no delivery slots available and one making slots for next week available on Wednesday (setting my alarm for that).
Have to get the car MOTd by next week. While I agree with closing cafes and pubs in theory I will seriously miss having somewhere to sit with a drink or snack.
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Saw a vehicle marked "Video Surveillance Unit" yesterday in our village.
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Saw a vehicle marked "Video Surveillance Unit" yesterday in our village.
Sounds like if brothers watching our every move then!
Sadly I've got to go out to food shop as earliest delivery booked is 13th April...
Still local butcher and coop open at 7am so hoping not too many around atthat time!
These measures have come in a bit late but might not have been necessary if advice had been followed but sadly it's the tail wagging the dog and the rest of us suffer because of it.... I know Brits have an independent spirit but surely now is the time to think of everyone hasn't it?
Keep safe everyone and keep communicating.... I've seen my daughter and grandsons every day via FaceTime so there are some positives as their lives are not so frantic and they've time to chat more.
Caroline
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Saw a vehicle marked "Video Surveillance Unit" yesterday in our village.
Presumably you do know they weren't sent there by the government to spy on your village, don't you?
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Saw a vehicle marked "Video Surveillance Unit" yesterday in our village.
Presumably you do know they weren't sent there by the government to spy on your village, don't you?
Mike, saying what was seen. Absolutely no idea if related to the PM Statement or not.
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Saw a vehicle marked "Video Surveillance Unit" yesterday in our village.
Presumably you do know they weren't sent there by the government to spy on your village, don't you?
Mike, saying what was seen. Absolutely no idea if related to the PM Statement or not.
Here's a clue. It wasn't.
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I've been sticking strictly to the government guidelines and I know they're right to take this measure. I just can't believe things have come to this and can't get rid of this horrible feeling inside, it's like a stone inside me. I wake up every morning feeling depressed and now I just want to cry.
I feel exactly the same :'(
Before we went onto lockdown I felt so anxious at the thought of going onto lockdown.. Now it's happened there's a weird kind of relief in it.. But I just feel down =(
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Have to get the car MOTd by next week.
My MOT expires on 29th April. Tried to book it for as soon as I was in the one month period, but local dealer couldn't do it until 6th April. At the time I booked it, there was no advice on social distancing etc so I thought no problem about driving my car there. Hoping they will collect and deliver, they didn't sound very reassuring when I phoned them yesterday.
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After feeling stressed out about this situation I am telling myself there is nothing we can do about it other than be sensible, this is me telling me, the sun is out today and it is beautiful, makes a whole lot of difference
My lounge is bare awaiting a carpet due to be fitted today, well it won't, all furniture out except 2 garden chairs we sat on last night, so we have no idea when the carpet or suite will return, one good thing is I don't have to hoover or dust the lounge, oh joy!!
If it stays nice I might just sit in the sun for awhile, I did manage to put plants out yesterday, I know it won't be warm but hopefully I will get some Vit D
Try not to be down MrsS 2012, there is always Rootschat for a chat, we have to be sensible
Take care
Louisa Maud
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Here in Cyprus we had the lockdown you've been told to do for a couple of weeks but got stricter last night. We also have to carry ID around with us.
MOT - here they have extended the date for 3 months if your MOT is due under lockdown.
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Here in Cyprus we had the lockdown you've been told to do for a couple of weeks but got stricter last night. We also have to carry ID around with us.
MOT - here they have extended the date for 3 months if your MOT is due under lockdown.
I checked the government website this morning - looks like they've only done that for HGV etcs here, not private cars - but it might change.
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Mike Ashley has covered himself in glory and shown his class (once again) by proclaiming that his Sports Direct stores will stay open because they are essential to keeping the nation fit.
I'd say he wanted to keep them open for the simple reason that he is intent on carrying on lining his own pockets and everyone else can go to hell.
Thank goodness the outcry has forced him to change his mind.
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Thank you Louisa :)
Funny you don't think about the little things like MOTs etc. Obviously the PM has said only leave the house for work, food and medicine/healthcare which sounds straight forward enough but it's all those other important little things that we probably don't even think about!
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Mike Ashley has covered himself in glory and shown his class (once again) by proclaiming that his Sports Direct stores will stay open because they are essential to keeping the nation fit.
I'd say he wanted to keep them open for the simple reason that he is intent on carrying on lining his own pockets and everyone else can go to hell.
Thank goodness the outcry has forced him to change his mind.
I just hope that everyone remembers this after things get back to normal and boycotts his shops. He tried to profit from a crisis, so hopefully it will end up hurting him where it hurts most.
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My husband has just reminded me that I go to church , my reply was "better people than me will be saved", we shall see
Keep safe
Louisa Maud
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Matthew 18 : 20
1 Corinthians 3:16
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T S Eliot
The Hollow Men
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Here in Cyprus we had the lockdown you've been told to do for a couple of weeks but got stricter last night. We also have to carry ID around with us.
MOT - here they have extended the date for 3 months if your MOT is due under lockdown.
I checked the government website this morning - looks like they've only done that for HGV etcs here, not private cars - but it might change.
At present, MOT centres remain open and your car must have a valid MOT if you are driving it. However, MOT tests for buses and HGVs etc. are already suspended due to coronavirus, the same may happen with MOTs for cars soon.
That is not the whole story, even if an allowance is made you would still have to check with your insurance company to ensure they would still cover you without proof your car is roadworthy. Which is how they look at an MoT even though it only proves that at the time the car was tested.
You could find your insurance was void if you did not have a valid MoT (as some people have found when taking their cars for an MoT in normal times).
Cheers
Guy
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We have a ding in our windscreen, we were expecting to have it fixed today. The chap texted to say he wouldn’t be coming. I didn’t think for one minute he would, although he’d be outside the house.
Some people need to be TOLD not ADVISED what they should or should not be doing.
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Lock down in New Zealand 11.59 pm Wednesday
Just over 48 hrs notice.
Carol in New Zealand
Swift and decisive action with increasing cases since the first confirmed case 3 weeks ago and in position to arrest spread while have the opportunity. Jumped from 5 isolated and recovering cases just 10 days ago to 155 as of today, 12 recovered and 6 in hospital. Moved to level 2 alert on Saturday 21st, many cancellations and closures, level 3 on Monday 23rd with more restrictions and closures with just under 24 hrs now until lockdown ... GO HOME STAY HOME.
We're such a transient lot, cases mostly traced directly to entry from infected overseas travellers and those connected to them, so many kiwis returning home.
Hope you're prepared Carol, many coming to the realisation still of what it will mean and what is and isn't essential but hopefully clarified by fairly clear communications ... some businesses were hoping to be included as important enough to remain open but strictly no go.
We're adaptable enough with it, particularly with a full shut down now. Husband is self employed and essential service but a few years into 70's now and so tomorrow morning doing last arranged work visit. His temperature taken and is questioned each time and substitute staff now for places that will still be open, plenty to keep us both occupied at home. Family sorted too, one daughter and husband close enough to call on if need be. Daughter in rural northland were happy to get home last weekend after having to relocate for 6 weeks with the drought, not on town supply and water tank empty but now has been filled. They've self isolated since then, she's on maternity leave from teaching with miss nearly 6 months and is able to home school miss nearly 6 years for as long as schools are closed, end of term at Easter brought forward as from today, son in law is asthmatic but has also been nursing his back now much improved. Keeping plenty of photos and videos coming through of activities, had a demo on how to fold towels 2 ways on Sunday from granddaughter :D Will miss being with them though for the duration.
:) mare
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Why do people make such rubbish up about a serious illness?
There's a post circulating on the internet claiming that you can self-diagnose by holding your breath for ten seconds. If you can do this, you're safe. What utter nonsense.
The same post says that drinking hot drinks every 15 minutes can also kill the virus. Equally nonsensical.
Why don't people fact check before spreading dangerous nonsense like this?
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Hope this isn't going to be the beginning of nastiness:
Just read on Guardian Blog that 2 Iceland supermarket vans were subject of an arson attact in Southmead, Bristol last night. The police were also attacked when they arrived.
I remember the Tottenham riots.
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Mike Ashley has covered himself in glory and shown his class (once again) by proclaiming that his Sports Direct stores will stay open because they are essential to keeping the nation fit.
I'd say he wanted to keep them open for the simple reason that he is intent on carrying on lining his own pockets and everyone else can go to hell.
Thank goodness the outcry has forced him to change his mind.
I just hope that everyone remembers this after things get back to normal and boycotts his shops. He tried to profit from a crisis, so hopefully it will end up hurting him where it hurts most.
Let's hope you're right but sadly it's the people that aren't conforming to the new legislation that are the types that will use his shop and therefore have no idea to boycott it!
Caroline
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Just got a text from HM Govt to Stay at Home.
Being sent out on all mobile networks apparently.
I confess upon reading the message my first thought was that it shows how serious the situatuion has become, but as I started typing this post I wondered if it were in fact some new form of scam (the message includes a link to the list of exemptions). Checked BBC News and there is a story about it, so it appears it is legitimate, and not a scam.
Sad reflection that one is suspicious of even Government messages.
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Here in Cyprus we had the lockdown you've been told to do for a couple of weeks but got stricter last night. We also have to carry ID around with us.
MOT - here they have extended the date for 3 months if your MOT is due under lockdown.
I checked the government website this morning - looks like they've only done that for HGV etcs here, not private cars - but it might change.
At present, MOT centres remain open and your car must have a valid MOT if you are driving it. However, MOT tests for buses and HGVs etc. are already suspended due to coronavirus, the same may happen with MOTs for cars soon.
That is not the whole story, even if an allowance is made you would still have to check with your insurance company to ensure they would still cover you without proof your car is roadworthy. Which is how they look at an MoT even though it only proves that at the time the car was tested.
You could find your insurance was void if you did not have a valid MoT (as some people have found when taking their cars for an MoT in normal times).
Cheers
Guy
Just had a call from the garage where my MOT was booked, they are closing as of this afternoon for the foreseeable future as are all their other branches. So now I have to find somewhere else that can do it. Don't hold out much hope
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My lounge is bare awaiting a carpet due to be fitted today, well it won't, all furniture out except 2 garden chairs we sat on last night, so we have no idea when the carpet or suite will return, one good thing is I don't have to hoover or dust the lounge, oh joy!!
Reminds me of moving into this house from rented furnished accommodation, half a lifetime ago. Luckily, we'd bought a pair of folding garden chairs and kept some removal boxes for makeshift furniture. A sofa, ordered in plenty of time to be ready for when I moved in, was missing in the supply line for weeks. Bought a sun lounger which acted as a temporary sofa substitute. Pretend you're starting out in your first home on a tiny budget.
Jump to the present. The new bed I ordered is in a warehouse somewhere. I'm sleeping on sofa. It's deja vu. :)
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MOT - here they have extended the date for 3 months if your MOT is due under lockdown.
Just had a call from the garage where my MOT was booked, they are closing as of this afternoon for the foreseeable future as are all their other branches. So now I have to find somewhere else that can do it. Don't hold out much hope
Northern Ireland has had problems with MOTs recently. The reasons are not coronavirus related but to do with Health & Safety, but the bottom line is no MOTs have taken place for a couple of months. The Government dealt with the problem by passing an MOT Exemption Order and has issued exemption certificates to owners of vehicles due to get an MOT, exempting that vehicle until 4th August (in my case anyway). I expect GB will do something similar. Possibly it isn’t top of the Government’s list today, given the scale of changes being introduced but it’s a possible solution.
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My lounge is bare awaiting a carpet due to be fitted today, well it won't, all furniture out except 2 garden chairs we sat on last night, so we have no idea when the carpet or suite will return, one good thing is I don't have to hoover or dust the lounge, oh joy!!
We, too, are awaiting fitting of a carpet and delivery of sofas. Fortunately, our fitting wasn't due until Friday, so we hadn't removed all the old stuff (was intending to do that tomorrow). Just had the least surprising call, cancelling it all. Just hope they are still solvent when this is all over.
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Why do people make such rubbish up about a serious illness?
There's a post circulating on the internet claiming that you can self-diagnose by holding your breath for ten seconds. If you can do this, you're safe. What utter nonsense.
The same post says that drinking hot drinks every 15 minutes can also kill the virus. Equally nonsensical.
Why don't people fact check before spreading dangerous nonsense like this?
I saw this, plus something advising against eating ice cream! ??? ???
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I still fail to see what people don’t understand about GO HOME and STAY AT HOME. Not difficult is it.?
Why expect B&Q , Sports Direct your garage, el to be open >:(. You are safe at home why shouldn’t staff in non-essential work places be any different !
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Listening to "World at One" on Radio 4. Lots of questions & answers about lockdown. One was about M.O.T. Garages are on list of businesses which may remain open.
B.t.w., bicycle shops are also on the permitted list. "bicycle shops" is duplicated on the list. It's obvious the civil servants wrote the document in a hurry. e.g. American spelling of "meters" instead of "metres".
"You & Yours" phone-in topic was how your life has changed due to Covid-19. Some calls were sad and sobering.
"Woman's Hour"is naturally focusing on how it's affecting women. Interesting observation; a high proportion of key workers are women. Parallels with WW1 & WW2 again methinks. Domestic abuse also mentioned, including abuse of parent by child, emphasising that home is not a safe place for some people.
A good piece of advice is listen to local radio.
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OH has just received his text, but I haven't got mine yet.
I heard on the BBC news that hardware shops could still open - presumably so say plumbers can buy things like plumbing joints to do urgent repairs, however the local news on now , didn't mention shops like that ......
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Why expect B&Q , Sports Direct your garage, el to be open >:(. You are safe at home why shouldn’t staff in non-essential work places be any different !
Hardware shops are on permitted list. I hope the long-established, independent store in the next town survives. I sometimes get deliveries from them. It stocks essential items.
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I know we're in lockdown but I had to go out this morning to pick up my prescription. I wasn't prepared to ask anyone else to put themselves in any danger to do it.
Remarkably few people about - I had the bus to myself both ways! Quite a few cars on the road though. I actually enjoyed it - lovely day and no one about - what bliss! I started off wearing gloves but I couldn't handle my bus pass etc with them on so put them away in my bag. Ditto, a scarf I'd taken in case there were lots of people in the queue for medication (only one person ahead of me) so I didn't bother with that either.
Called in at the local Coop on the way home - still no eggs to be had. I still don't get why people need to stock up on perishable goods! The clue is in the adjective!
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I for one would welcome a nationwide, better still, global day of prayer called for in this situation. Like the King did in the last war.
I hope something is announced soon.
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It’s all confusion ?? B & Q has closed their stores. Wickes have closed today for 24 hours to “clarify” the situation :-\
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Official directive from GOV.UK:
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/further-businesses-and-premises-to-close
Click on "Further Businesses & premises to close" for the list which is in 2 columns, those in each category to close and exceptions which may remain open in each category. It was published last night, as far as I know.
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"global day of prayer"
What good would that do?
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I still fail to see what people don’t understand about GO HOME and STAY AT HOME. Not difficult is it.?
Why expect B&Q , Sports Direct your garage, el to be open >:(. You are safe at home why shouldn’t staff in non-essential work places be any different !
I don't expect B and Q to be open and I certainly don't expect Sports Direct to be open, but a garage to repair and MOT cars should fall in the essential category. An MOT is an essential item for me and many like me who are unfortunate enough for the date to fall within the next few weeks. Without it I cannot legally drive my car on a public road, so cannot get to the nearest shop for essential things like FOOD. It's all very well for Boris to say stay home and get it delivered. Has he actually tried to get a delivery slot recently. I'll have no option other than to go out for food when the food delivery I should get at the end of next week runs out.
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Saw a vehicle marked "Video Surveillance Unit" yesterday in our village.
Presumably you do know they weren't sent there by the government to spy on your village, don't you?
Mike, saying what was seen. Absolutely no idea if related to the PM Statement or not.
Here's a clue. It wasn't.
We have had surveillance vehicles in Berkshire, they were on the lookout for cars with no MOT or Tax. Nothing to do with the present lockdown.
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A Baptist MSP here objected to his local church closing two Sunday's in a row advising that the congregation should put their trust in Jesus & attend as usual. His constituency office has been open for business as usual and he is apparently still making calls. The First Minister possibly knows Jesus rather better than he does and a rocket was duly delivered from on high. Office & church shut.
Skoosh.
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""global day of prayer"
What good would that do?"
I think we ought to have faith
Louisa Maud
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It did work once
https://www.passionsspiele-oberammergau.de/en/play/history
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What concerns me about this lockdown is what happens when its lifted - however long that may be. Surely, if the virus is still around and no vaccine has been developed (they say it will take over a year), if we all start living as normal again, its just going to take off again. Those who have had a mild version may have immunity (but for how long?) but those who have been sheltered from it will still be in the line of fire???
On a more mundane topic: I have some eggs in the fridge with a use by date of January (this year!!) will I be okay to use them in an egg and bacon pie (i.e. plenty of time in the oven, so well cooked) or should I bin them immediately? I just can't find any eggs in any of the shops and haven't the transport to visit farms.
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I'd crack one egg into a jug and have a sniff......your nose should tell you what to do.
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Old trick - put the eggs in water (carefully).
If they float, they are rotten, if they sink they are fine to use. (The theory being they float because of gas released when they go off).
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What concerns me about this lockdown is what happens when its lifted - however long that may be. Surely, if the virus is still around and no vaccine has been developed (they say it will take over a year), if we all start living as normal again, its just going to take off again. Those who have had a mild version may have immunity (but for how long?) but those who have been sheltered from it will still be in the line of fire.
The idea is to spread the cases over a longer period of time, thereby giving the health service some chance of coping. If this doe's not work then it will not cope and a lot more will die.
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"global day of prayer"
What good would that do?
No good at all!
I haven't said a prayer for almost 60 years - why would I start now?!
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For those who don't believe in prayer etc, it is probably true to say it will have little to no effect.
BUT for the many who do, it will give hope.
Even if the only benefit is a mild placebo effect, it might just save a few lives, and does no harm (assuming people do not gather in large numbers to pray)
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Oh dear . Politics and religion.
Add - I'm reading on one thread about older Americans preferring to die than the US economy collapsing and I come on here and we're talking about praying.
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I am perfectly aware that there are people who pray and take some comfort in it. What I don't understand is what good mandated mass prayer would do that individual private prayers would not do.
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We all have a choice, still, thank God
Louisa Maud
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And my answer remains the same - it gives hope to some, whilst not harming anyone else, so why not?
I don't see any sense in a mandated day of prayer, if by that you mean forced, but a mass day of prayer (ie people all over the world pray at the same time, to whichever higher power they wish) might help some
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Those that want to can go and pray, I'm fine with that but I do not want religious nuts trying to involve me.
And has for Oberamergau, I see they have postponed the play for 2 years :o
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Indeed. In times such as these, we need toleration and compassion for others more than anything. (Except for a vaccine of course.)
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Following all the guidelines - isolating (not nice when you live alone) - I am classed as 'high risk' (72 with COPD) BUT seem to be being ignored by the NHS. Family members with asthma and diabetes all got texts yesterday followed by letter today. Me - had nothing. Food delivery companies seem to working from NHS listings and as I'm not listed don't qualify for special delivery.
My niece sent me a link to register on the NHS website if I believe I should be on the list as 'at risk'. This I have duly done but I shouldn't have had to do this.
Feeling very down today - have great respect for all the NHS are doing and for what they are facing but today they are making me feel pretty worthless!
Annette
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I am 77, got a text today, my husband didn't but he is more vulnerable than me , perhaps he will get a letter later later
Annette please don't feel down, it is a beautiful day here with the sun out, makes all the difference, I am amazed at how much I have got done today, things I didn't intend to do but somehow I have got a spurt on, so that is how I am filling my time, when it is all over hopefully I will have spare time to please myself and visit friends I haven't seen
Louisa Maud
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Thanks, louisa maud. It's a beautiful day here too but just feeling overwhelmed at the moment. No doubt I'll snap out of it in due course.
Annette
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I'm in a similar situation to Annette, my GP told me last week I was vulnerable and to stay home but I don't strictly fall into any of the proscribed categories. Like Annette, I've had to register myself, so big thanks to Annette and her niece otherwise I wouldn't have known to do so.
I agree, today has been a lovely day and I've been doing a bit of work in the garden - being confined to barracks I'm so glad I have some outside space.
Jane :-)
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Hang on in there Annette, I felt so upset last night (and others have said they felt the same) but after talking to and texting people I feel better today, I hope you do tomorrow.
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I've just finished washing the outside of all my downstairs windows and talked to 7 of my neighbours, who were all having their daily exercise. That's far more than usual and was nice to do, at the specified distance of course. Plenty of lawn mowers being used in nearby gardens. Have seen bumble & honey bees and also butterflies in the last few days.
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Pace yourselves, this is a long distance race not a sprint.
Take your time doing chores.
Make a Bucket List.
Look at the Future Learn website to see if any courses they do foc are of interest, my Mrs has just started to do a course with them on
Read that book you got given as a present.
If you have not done so already sit down and write all the Family History snippets that are in your brain and in rough note form.
Do the Exercise thing but observe the recommendations. I did a three mile walk with our dog this morning and saw less than ten people non of whom came within 5m.
Stay safe.
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Good advice. :) Talking to he neighbours sounds nice but as for washing the windows...... That's right at the bottom of my list! ;D
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I've been sticking strictly to the government guidelines and I know they're right to take this measure. I just can't believe things have come to this and can't get rid of this horrible feeling inside, it's like a stone inside me. I wake up every morning feeling depressed and now I just want to cry.
I feel exactly the same :'(
Before we went onto lockdown I felt so anxious at the thought of going onto lockdown.. Now it's happened there's a weird kind of relief in it.. But I just feel down =(
Please don't feel down.
1. Following Government Guidelines & Rules you are really helping, doing the right thing and can hold your head high.
2. Think of all the wonderful work NHS Staff, G.P.s, Carers, Homes, Chemists, Government Departments, Emergency Services, Army & Services, Scientists, Councils, Volunteers, etc are doing. Saving a life must be the greatest thing they could ever witness.
3. Think of the lives being saved.
4. When you have seen the latest news, switch to other programs you enjoy.
5. Do you have access to your favourite music, listen to it if you can.
6. The UK weather is good currently, enjoy it if you have a secluded garden and can get out or can take advantage of the walk rule (UK).
7. Contact friends, family or your trusted network.
8. We have a lot to be thankful for, water, food, pensions, help and other benefits.
9. We do care about others, but think of your own happy times too, to save your sanity.
10. This is not going to go on forever.
11. Think on positive things.
12. Sit in a bright room (mind your eyes), don't shut yourself away or shut curtains (unless you need to rest).
13. Try and sleep (lack of sleep is unhelpful).
14. If you were/are religious, pray. When I was really down no medication could help me (it left me drowsy 7 days a week and did nothing much for my depression / anxiety, as I could do nothing about the sadness & debt due to divorce). My G.P., a nice Indian man told me to pray to Him above. The next thing I'd got help from an Advice Centre who passed me to a Specialist and eventually won a case & received £7,000. My health problems have not gone away (the problem was discovered on MRI and there is no cure), but I'm more positive now (most of the time). There is also some evidence in some people that praying can make our mind feel a little more positive.
What your feelings really do show is that when you see sadness and you are sad about what you see, it shows you really deeply care about others .
What a nice and beautiful caring quality you have, in today's society.
You are really helping and by following Government Advice and Rules, you might unknowlingly be saving a life, or saving someone from becoming seriously ill and also showing to others that you'll endure a little hardship to help, which encourages others to do the right thing too.
Think positive and most of all, take care, Mark
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I'm apparently vulnerable - because I have a flu jab every year?
I'm 66 and diabetic.
But I am a very positive person ;D
Roasted a chicken on Saturday - 2 roast dinners, Sat & Sunday.
Used half the remaining chicken in a creamy leek sauce today (Lloyd Grossman's), and will be having that tomorrow.
Then it will be a curry, or a stir-fry, with the remaining chicken for 2 days.
Have made a stock from the carcass, so it will be a risotto for the weekend.
Meanwhile our local library let us have as many books as we liked!
Bought a few more at Waterstones and a few 20p bargains at library.
So, that's 13 books to read!
Didn't go out today - cold and cloudy!
But will go for a walk most days.
2 friends have offered to get essentials - but haven't used them yet.
The Isle of Man has closed the borders, and we now have 23 confirmed cases, and no deaths.
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Mark, thank you so much for your wise and kind words. :) Today I've been counting my blessings, there are so many people worse off than I am. I'm not in the over 70s and group and am quite fit. Before yesterday's announcement I'd chosen to stop going to the gym and go for a good fast walk instead, and I'm conveniently located to be able to do that in nature, or at the beach. Getting out in the fresh air and striding out certainly helps. The spring flowers are out in their glory in my garden and as long as it stays fine I can do plenty of gardening.
KGarrad, plenty of positivity from you too, thank you.
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I had my meltdown a couple of days ago. Shouting, yelling, crying, panic attack, the whole works. Not helped by a daughter working in the Care Sector, low risk but worrying non the less.
Sleepless night and then got up to blue sky and bird song.
Then I began to think, my mother had 5 years of war, 3 small children, proper rationing, husband somewhere in France, bombing, and I thought if she could survive all that I can sure as heck get through the next few months. One day at a time. :D
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I had my meltdown a couple of days ago. Shouting, yelling, crying, panic attack, the whole works. Not helped by a daughter working in the Care Sector, low risk but worrying non the less.
Sleepless night and then got up to blue sky and bird song.
Then I began to think, my mother had 5 years of war, 3 small children, proper rationing, husband somewhere in France, bombing, and I thought if she could survive all that I can sure as heck get through the next few months. One day at a time. :D
You are right - we will, most of us, get through it. But I also believe that we will all have meltdown days, or times when we really feel we can't cope. My answer to that, last night, was to turn off the news and all social media and to go to bed early with a good book!
We have to accept the different ways in which people will cope and that the mental health of the world is also at stake here. I'm glad you feel better today. :)
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This has just come up
Department for Education
@educationgovuk
We have been informed some parents have received an email stating:
‘As schools will be closing, if you're entitled to free school meals, please send your bank details and we'll make sure you're supported’.
This is a scam email - do not respond, and delete immediately.
How low can these people get :(
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This looks good though. 250,000 NHS volunteers needed.
https://www.goodsamapp.org/NHSvolunteerresponders (https://www.goodsamapp.org/NHSvolunteerresponders)
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This looks good though. 250,000 NHS volunteers needed.
https://www.goodsamapp.org/NHSvolunteerresponders (https://www.goodsamapp.org/NHSvolunteerresponders)
There's a bit more detail here https://www.goodsamapp.org/NHS
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This looks good though. 250,000 NHS volunteers needed.
https://www.goodsamapp.org/NHSvolunteerresponders (https://www.goodsamapp.org/NHSvolunteerresponders)
There's a bit more detail here https://www.goodsamapp.org/NHS
Oops. Thanks Jen, that's what I meant to post.
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Don't know if mentioned already.
The NHS with the Army are to open a Field Hospital in London called NHS Nightingale Hospital, initially with 500 beds, with capacity to increase to 2,000 beds in each Ward.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/coronavirus-uk-lockdown-latest-news-non-essential-shops-close/
Top firms working on Ventilators too.
There is a massive effort going on, thank you everyone involved.
Continue to follow Government Rules.
Mark
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The spring flowers are out in their glory in my garden and as long as it stays fine I can do plenty of gardening.
KGarrad, plenty of positivity from you too, thank you.
Forgot to add - what really cheered me up was seeing the gorse coming into flower.
Reminds me of Spring 1994, when I arrived on the island!
A gorgeous vibrant golden yellow. ;D
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This may make you smile. My niece took her 3 year old to the park, near their house to feed the ducks. They walked round, keeping well away from others. Then a jogger wearing a mask ran past them. Jessica said, " Why is the dentist running round the park? "
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This may make you smile. My niece took her 3 year old to the park, near their house to feed the ducks. They walked round, keeping well away from others. Then a jogger wearing a mask ran past them. Jessica said, " Why is the dentist running round the park? "
That did make me grin.. Thank you!
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This looks good though. 250,000 NHS volunteers needed.
https://www.goodsamapp.org/NHSvolunteerresponders (https://www.goodsamapp.org/NHSvolunteerresponders)
My hospital has sent all our volunteers home as we are on lockdown.. As I imagine all hospitals are... I wonder if they will bring them back?
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Finally got my text message from HM Gov!
Received at 19:58.
I have a dual SIM phone; one SIM is local Isle of Man; the other is ASDA Mobile!
Advice from HM Gov doesn't apply to me - I'll stick with IOM Gov messages.
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We've been on lockdown in France for a week now, and are starting to get used to it: the conditions are very similar to UK, but we have to carry a signed/dated form stating our reason(s) for leaving the house. My husband normally works from home 2 days per week, so full-time isn't a huge change for us. Unfortunately the short notice meant our daughters couldn't get home from Strasbourg as they'd intended (one job-seeker, one uni student), but they're managing fine, although shops are barer in the city than here in the countryside.
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It's my first day at work tomorrow since the lockdown came into play.. Not quite sure what to expect.. Hopefully our PPE has all been delivered :-\
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But I am a very positive person ;D
Good point, eventually for some, it will be about building up an inner strength and resolve too.
Thanks Roobarb, you and all, take care.
Mark
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This has just come up
Department for Education
@educationgovuk
We have been informed some parents have received an email stating:
‘As schools will be closing, if you're entitled to free school meals, please send your bank details and we'll make sure you're supported’.
This is a scam email - do not respond, and delete immediately.
How low can these people get :(
Be under no illusions, Gadget, there are no depths to which the thieving classes will not descend.
>:(
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The distancing measures have been tightened up here in Ecuador. No one [except essential personnel] allowed on the streets at all from 2 pm to 6 am. You can go out to buy food or medicines in the morning but only if you're between 18 and 55 years old and only on the specific days determined by the last digit of your ID card number.
I'm pretty well fixed for food except dog food. So I've put the dogs on a harsh rationing scheme. They now get half dog food, half rice with a soup made from all vegetable peels, bones and other kitchen waste.
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It's my first day at work tomorrow since the lockdown came into play.. Not quite sure what to expect.. Hopefully our PPE has all been delivered :-\
Hi
All the very best, I hope You and your Colleagues get all the help and support your employer and the Government can give!
You all do a very great job, thank you! Many of us are not used to a real ITU where a whole Unit and side Wards full of people all gasping for breath on ventilators and the ITU Doctor saying look, this is the truth and what you will get, very moving!
Added: However, think of the lives you will save and help to save.
Only 14 months ago, my 81 year old Mother's influenza developed complications, I was a bit worried and a Nurse at the Hospital said to me we are not letting her go and was so positive and after being on an anti-biotic drip, my Mum improved was discharged and fully recovered and is doing well.
It is important for us all to keep a balanced mind too - Look at the Good going on, but also have a listening ear for those upset and troubled.
Best wishes Mark
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I have been watching a bit more TV than usual (otherwise I would be spending too much time on the computer or reading, and the eyes need a rest.) I have been noticing a lot of very inappropriate adverts; "Let's all get together for a family meal with food from...." and "Book now for a round the world cruise!" I wonder when they will be withdrawn.
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I have been noticing a lot of very inappropriate adverts; "Let's all get together for a family meal with food from...." and "Book now for a round the world cruise!" I wonder when they will be withdrawn.
Just on TV, in France you can be jailed for 6 Months if you break Quarantine Rules.
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I Read this today:
At first I was afraid, I was petrified,
There was no loo roll down at Aldi and I nearly cried.
Oh I spent so many nights thinking how you did me wrong,
I used to wipe,
And now I'm forced to just drip dry!
No anti-bac!
No soap,
And if you think you're buying pasta,
Well you've got no hope!
I would have bought that box of eggs,
I would have rationed out my bread.
If I'd known for just one second
Everyone would lose their head!
Go on now go, walk out the door!
Sang to I Will Survive!
That made me smile so I just had to share it.
Stay safe and keep smiling ;)
Carol
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It’s all confusion ?? B & Q has closed their stores. Wickes have closed today for 24 hours to “clarify” the situation :-\
Oh heck!!! My son texted a couple of hours ago to say the en-suite has a leak somewhere - even the flooring in the bedroom is lifting & is sodden underneath.
We can't help due to the lock-down, son is clueless, and it looks like B&Q is shut. Panic is rising!
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It’s all confusion ?? B & Q has closed their stores. Wickes have closed today for 24 hours to “clarify” the situation :-\
Oh heck!!! My son texted a couple of hours ago to say the en-suite has a leak somewhere - even the flooring in the bedroom is lifting & is sodden underneath.
We can't help due to the lock-down, son is clueless, and it looks like B&Q is shut. Panic is rising!
He can phone a plumber.
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He can phone a plumber.
Yes - I remember hearing that, in emergencies, plumbers, electricians, etc. are allowed in.
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It’s all confusion ?? B & Q has closed their stores. Wickes have closed today for 24 hours to “clarify” the situation :-\
Oh heck!!! My son texted a couple of hours ago to say the en-suite has a leak somewhere - even the flooring in the bedroom is lifting & is sodden underneath.
We can't help due to the lock-down, son is clueless, and it looks like B&Q is shut. Panic is rising!
Screw fix are are doing click and collect from some stores .
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I think it sounds a if he needs a plumber rather than a fixture supplier.
Just been reading this - be careful:
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/mar/24/uk-police-chiefs-coronavirus-could-bring-out-worst-in-humanity
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It’s all confusion ?? B & Q has closed their stores. Wickes have closed today for 24 hours to “clarify” the situation :-\
Oh heck!!! My son texted a couple of hours ago to say the en-suite has a leak somewhere - even the flooring in the bedroom is lifting & is sodden underneath.
We can't help due to the lock-down, son is clueless, and it looks like B&Q is shut. Panic is rising!
Screw fix are are doing click and collect from some stores .
Tell your son to check the toilet starting with the cistern (tank) if the water is overflowing from the cistern he needs to turn the water off the cold water at the mains stop cock, then flush the toilet. If the water is coming from the big pipes (ceremic & plastic) he must not flush the toilet.
If the water is coming from the thin (copper or plastic) pipes leading to the toilet cistern turn off the cold water at the mains stop cock.
Cheers
Guy
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It’s all confusion ?? B & Q has closed their stores. Wickes have closed today for 24 hours to “clarify” the situation :-\
Oh heck!!! My son texted a couple of hours ago to say the en-suite has a leak somewhere - even the flooring in the bedroom is lifting & is sodden underneath.
We can't help due to the lock-down, son is clueless, and it looks like B&Q is shut. Panic is rising!
Hi Jomot
Don't panic and turn off the main stop tap (some are under the kitchen sink or downstairs cupboard etc.)
Secondly try and trace where the water is coming from. Sometimes it can be just a toilet cistern (tank with the flush handle / button on it) overflowing and the overflow pipes are often just push fit (with no seals).
If you can trace the leak to a bathroom appliance (basin / toilet cistern), modern bathrooms often have a valve (pictured) in the inlet pipework (pictured in ON position), some get stiff, but if you can get a screw driver that fits the slot nicely (don't chew it up), then turn the slot 90 degrees (if it will turn easily), so that slot goes across the direction of flow. Added: The main Stop Valve (stop tap) is different to the picture.
Before I mess with anything, know where your main house stop tap (should be one at the Water Meter, if you have one) is first and that it will work and turn off the water.
If he has a main bathroom, stop using the En-suite with the leak, as it could be a leaky waste pipe and might stop leaking if you stop using it (until you can get there to investigate further).
Switch off any electrical appliance immediately near the leak. If electricals are wet or affected with water dripping and you can't get close or the Switch or electricals might be covered with water, then switch off Electrics at the main Consumer Unit, Fuse Box first.
Added: If absolutely hopeless at DIY, it sounds like you'll need a Plumber. In 13 years as a Qualified Plumber there are a few people who are not mechanically minded at all and can make a simple matter much worse.
A leak from a Gas Boiler, everyone needs a Registered Gas Engineer.
Some appliances may need turning off, so a good idea for all households to keep all the Instructions in one Folder, when you have something fitted.
It is amazing that 1000s don't know where there Stop Valves are!
Mark
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It’s all confusion ?? B & Q has closed their stores. Wickes have closed today for 24 hours to “clarify” the situation :-\
Oh heck!!! My son texted a couple of hours ago to say the en-suite has a leak somewhere - even the flooring in the bedroom is lifting & is sodden underneath.
We can't help due to the lock-down, son is clueless, and it looks like B&Q is shut. Panic is rising!
Great tips so far
We can sort of help but need more information as without it advice can only be general.
A major leak problem frequently can be traced to the shower.
Shower, tap all tiles, if any are loose water will get behind them and cause a right mess, in a lot of showers the cowboy builders line it with plasterboard rather than cement board and soggy plasterboard is a nightmare. Or it could be a simple as a leaking drain, if the shower tray is raised off the floor he can remove the panel and check for a leak. The shower tray sealant may well be the root cause of the leak as most shower trays do not have upstands and rely on sealant integrity for the seal.
The toilet itself could be leaking, the drain is typically just a push fit.
Water and waste pipes, check all joints that are accessible.
If the ensuite is on a first floor, check the ceilings below to identify when the main leak is.
If there is running water isolate and check electric switches and sockets to see if water is coming out of them, if it is or if in doubt isolate the electric mains and call tradestaff
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Re MOT testing which was raised earlier in the thread the attached should help to clarify.
Key points seem to be for vehicles due from 30 March a 6 month extension. Those due before 30 March require testing unless self isolating. Still need to keep vehicles in roadworthy condition.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-51176409
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The Prince of Wales has tested positive for coronavirus and is displaying mild symptoms “but otherwise remains in good health”, Clarence House has said.
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Thanks everyone for the help so far.
The added difficulty is that he's still having to go in to work, so he's not even at home at the moment. His housemate may be home from today though, and if so we'll try & get more information / talk her through it remotely.
I'll update as & when I know more.
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Treetotal ..
Thanks for posting those lyrics .. just the ticket to lighten the mood. ...
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
If you don't mind I would like to pass that on too?
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Carrying on from Colin thoughts, re Leaks.
It is amazing how many people, mainly Visitors or Renters don't put the shower screen to the inside of the bath roll, or Shower Screen / Curtain inside the bath.
Some will only wash their hair over a basin and with eyes shut are real splashers!
Some Visitors are used to Wet Rooms or have Sealed and Tiled upstairs Bathroom Floors.
Suddenly we are at home or it is a Bank Holiday or we call a Carpet Fitter to change the lino (or similar) floor covering and it is soaking wet trapped underneath the floor covering. So very occasionally no leak at all, or at worst as Colin says a worn out Screen seal, or Bath seal.
Leaks on Hot Water Pipework - Older UK Systems with A Header Tank / Cold Tank
After you turn off the Cold stop valve (stop tap) clockwise usually near the Water Meter (if you have a water Meter inside, some on newer meters are quarter turn valves) and if you have an older UK plumbing system with a Header Tank or Cold Feed Tank (mainly in the roof) that feeds an older Hot Water Cylinder / H/W Tank, you will need to drain the header tank by opening the hot taps when the leak is on H/W pipework, otherwise it will continue to leak until the Header Tank is empty - Older UK Plumbing Systems, sometimes known as Gravity (Low Pressure) Hot Water Systems.
Electric Shower
I try, if I remember to pull my Electric Shower cord off and turn the Shower setting to Cold and run the Shower Cold when turning the water back on after being away (sometimes it can stop the Electric Shower overheating until the air is purged/pushed out, when turning the main stop valve/tap back on).
Electrics
If in doubt regarding any electrics or the possibility of hidden electrical wiring / junctions under the floor being wet or in the wet area, it is a good idea anyway to SWITCH OFF the Main Electrical Consumer Unit / Fuse Box, especially whilst investigating or working with a water leak or unexplained wet and dampness.
Think Safe and Be Safe!
Mark
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Anent Prince Charles, I'm sure the locals will be over the moon at this family bringing Corona to Deeside. when folk with holiday homes & caravans are being told to stay away & self-isolation is the order of the day.
Skoosh.
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Thanks everyone for the help so far.
The added difficulty is that he's still having to go in to work, so he's not even at home at the moment. His housemate may be home from today though, and if so we'll try & get more information / talk her through it remotely.
I'll update as & when I know more.
Hopefully, it can't be extremely serious, he would still be there (like the Dutch boy with his finger in the Dyke, saving his Country's lowlands).
At Schools and Government Buildings and Manor Houses we've had a team of workmen / staff catching water in buckets (moving childrens work, furniture and valuables), whilst I & colleagues have been tracing pipework through a building to a Stop Valve (where the valve head was found broken off and never repaired) or to a field, driveway / pavement valve access (covered in tarmac / filled with soil) that we can shut off (pavement property boundary valves used to be a Water Authority Inspector's job, but they knew us). We'd check neighbouring properties in case they knew they shared a supply (as some have Medical Needs etc., for running mains water).
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It's my first day at work tomorrow since the lockdown came into play.. Not quite sure what to expect.. Hopefully our PPE has all been delivered :-\
Hi
All the very best, I hope You and your Colleagues get all the help and support your employer and the Government can give!
You all do a very great job, thank you! Many of us are not used to a real ITU where a whole Unit and side Wards full of people all gasping for breath on ventilators and the ITU Doctor saying look, this is the truth and what you will get, very moving!
Added: However, think of the lives you will save and help to save.
Only 14 months ago, my 81 year old Mother's influenza developed complications, I was a bit worried and a Nurse at the Hospital said to me we are not letting her go and was so positive and after being on an anti-biotic drip, my Mum improved was discharged and fully recovered and is doing well.
It is important for us all to keep a balanced mind too - Look at the Good going on, but also have a listening ear for those upset and troubled.
Best wishes Mark
Thank you Mark,glad to hear your mum made a good recovery :)
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Treetotal ..
Thanks for posting those lyrics .. just the ticket to lighten the mood. ...
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
If you don't mind I would like to pass that on too?
I'm glad it made you smile as there appears to be very little to smile about just now., but we will get through it :D
I am tired of having "Happy Birthday To You" going round and round in my head! ;D
Yes of course you can, it was sent to me by a friend.
Take Care!
Carol
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treetotal, what about "we shall not be moved or fight the good fight" ??
Louisa Maud
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You could have any song of your choice if you use the attached website. I think it is brilliant - you even make a poster of it!
William
https://washyourlyrics.com/
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treetotal, what about "we shall not be moved or fight the good fight" ??
Louisa Maud
That's a good one ;D ;D ;D
I will try my best not to murder my OH though :P ;D ;D ;D
Carol
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LOL!
Just got an update from our car insurance agent:
Dear Maureen, while your stuck at home here is the online defensive driver course website:
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You do wonder.
Maureen
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From Doctor Michael Mosley who first suggested Happy Birthday:
"I suggested that one way to estimate 20 seconds is to sing the song Happy Birthday To You, twice over. But what if you are now bored of Happy Birthday and want an alternative?
Cabinet Minister Jacob Rees-Mogg has made his own patriotic suggestion, which is to sing one verse of the national anthem, God Save The Queen.
I’ve given it a go and it clocks in at about 25 seconds, which is a bit long. Other songs you might consider include Twinkle, Twinkle, Little Star (19 seconds) or one verse of Kumbaya (18 seconds).
Most appropriate of all, the chorus to Gloria Gaynor’s I Will Survive, which includes the immortal line ‘Did you think I’d lay down and die?’, lasts for 19 seconds.
I think it’s a very suitable anthem of defiance."
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Haven't been out but apparently the police are out in the local town pulling in cars to check why they are out...............
Sandra
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I hope they keep their distance when questioning the occupants.
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I hope they keep their distance when questioning the occupants.
I think you can be sure about that.
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Isle of Man announced this afternoon that all commercial and private flights incoming have been suspended, for 21 days.
You can still fly out (to Liverpool), but can't return until the 21 days are over! ;D
Now 30 confirmed cases; 1 in hospital; 0 deaths.
P.S. Manx National Anthem is 19 seconds!
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The figures for confirmed cases in my area have been published but to be honest I find them a bit pointless when the majority of cases are not being tested. I'm not suggesting that all possibles are tested, that would be a waste of time and resources, but I'm wondering whether these comparatively low levels that are being published are leading to the dismissive attitude of some people.
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I think you might be right Roobarb. The highest number recorded for W Sussex last week was 10. Then witness the scenes in Brighton and all along the coast at the weekend, they even ran a huge car boot in Brighton.
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Aren't these disgusting....................
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11252415/tiktok-user-who-licked-toilet-seat-in-vile-coronavirus-challenge-now-has-killer-bug-piers-morgan-says/
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11250484/tiktok-coronavirus-prankster-arrested-on-terror-charges-for-licking-supermarket-items-after-global-outrage/
https://globalnews.ca/news/6718358/tiktok-toilet-seat-lick-coronavirus/
Sandra
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I agree Sandra, but what I find even more disgusting are those who are now scamming people with sale of fake sanitisers, false offers to run errands for the vulnerable, health supplements" that claim to prevent infection and tests. Most are just after bank details.
Also this morning there was a piece on the radio about people spitting in the faces of police officers when told to break up a gathering.
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A school, at an undisclosed location, appears to have solved the problem of children attending when they are not offspring of essential workers. It was revealed on Twitter "that we started with 44 key worker pupils on the playground. Each parent challenged by the Head. We had 18 at lunch".
I didn't think that would be legal but if it works! :o
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Thank you Treetotal!
Those lyrics certainly made me smile and with the glorious sunshine this morning really lifted my spirits. I will send that on to several people I know who are self isolating - I am sure it will raise a few chuckles. I still have to go to work - off en route to nightshift as I write this on the empty bus apart from me and driver. I almost feel like I am self isolating though as I only go out to work and for shopping and don't see people socially like I used to.
You take care too and thanks once again. :)
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I agree Sandra, but what I find even more disgusting are those who are now scamming people with sale of fake sanitisers, false offers to run errands for the vulnerable, health supplements" that claim to prevent infection and tests. Most are just after bank details.
Also this morning there was a piece on the radio about people spitting in the faces of police officers when told to break up a gathering.
That's disgusting as well. Some people are unbelievable.
Sandra
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A school, at an undisclosed location, appears to have solved the problem of children attending when they are not offspring of essential workers. It was revealed on Twitter "that we started with 44 key worker pupils on the playground. Each parent challenged by the Head. We had 18 at lunch".
I didn't think that would be legal but if it works! :o
:)
I'm sure it is legal, as schools are only open for the children of key workers, so every head teacher should be challenging parents if in any doubt.
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A school, at an undisclosed location, appears to have solved the problem of children attending when they are not offspring of essential workers. It was revealed on Twitter "that we started with 44 key worker pupils on the playground. Each parent challenged by the Head. We had 18 at lunch".
I didn't think that would be legal but if it works! :o
:)
I'm sure it is legal, as schools are only open for the children of key workers, so every head teacher should be challenging parents if in any doubt.
Think about it Groom, "we started with 44" - "we had 18 at Lunch". It must be my sense of humour …… ::)
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Cheer up Roobarb, it will be very tough for a long time and I can’t see things ever being the same again.
Don’t know your age group, but I assure you after the last momentous time
there were good as well as not so good changes.
But we survived and yet here we are again in a massive crisis.
Life will go on ,it always does, we will get over this and come through.
Lovely things are happening, so many offers of help being given,an ex boyfriend of my daughter’s ,of many years ago but they have kept in touch
asked if I needed anything and he’d gladly get it for me.
Mind you he almost lived at our house, was a very nice lad and respected her. We liked him very much .
We can only do as we are asked to do.
I am taking the chance to really sort out after s horrible chaotic house move three years ago , find my Fam Hist stuff and get it all clear for whoever will be interested after I am gone.
We have T.V.,Phone, RootsChat.Google etc .
Scientists are already making progress with ways of dealing with this Virus
and so many volunteers from ex NHS workers have come forward.
We know the NHS has been short of money and after this I can’t see anyone letting that happen again.It should never have been ,but something good will come out of this.
Keep posting and you know you have friends on R.C.
There are some people who have to be self distancing who don’t have ,no iPad or computer etc.
Cheerio,kindest regards .
Viktoria.
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Thank you Viktoria. :) I think it was the thought that things would never be the same again that distressed me so much. I know the lockdown is the best thing for us all, I just couldn't believe that this was happening in our country and the whole world has been taken over by this dreadful virus.
I'm not old enough to have been born during WW2 or experienced what was happening during and after but I do admire the stoicism of those generation. I think we have a lot to learn in those terms - not to take things for granted, not to be so wasteful, and to look out for others.
It was sixteen degrees on the North East coast today, lovely in my south facing garden, it did make me feel better. :D
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An interesting side effect of the virus. My son's A&E department is actually quieter than normal at the moment. People have suddenly realised that they can pull that splinter out themselves, and maybe they don't need to get a checkup for that little slip they had two weeks ago.
On a more worrying note, he still hasn't got his full PPE yet.
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I'm not old enough to have been born during WW2 or experienced what was happening during and after but I do admire the stoicism of those generation. I think we have a lot to learn in those terms - not to take things for granted, not to be so wasteful, and to look out for others.
People keep comparing this to the second world war and invoking the war time spirit. The huge difference is that during the war, people could go and cry on a neighbour's shoulder, they could help out where needed by friends and family and they could call out for help for themselves. It wasn't like now. At no time in our history have we all been isolated from each other. Yes, the villagers of Eyam did isolate themselves during the plague years but even then, they were in it together within the village boundaries.
We are a social species and it is totally unnatural for us to be so cut off from everything we know. I think that having the occasional meltdown, or wobbly moment is one of the things which makes us human. Thank god for the internet, social media and places like this where we can at least stay in touch with people to some extent.
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It was sixteen degrees on the North East coast today, lovely in my south facing garden, it did make me feel better. :D
It was 17 degrees in Newcastle. I didn't take the temp in our south facing garden though. It was interesting that hardly any people passed in over 2 hours.
Mr G trod on my hand while I was holding the ladder. It really hurt but I didn't go to A & E. I think I've only every been to A & E about 3 times in my 75 years.
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My daughters (one uni student, one job-seeker) are currently locked down in Strasbourg, 2 hours away, but we just watched the French equivalent of Masterchef together, chatting about it on Messenger, and it really did me good. (Especially as one of our favourites avoided elimination in the "last chance" or whatever it's called in English!)
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Getting a lot of funnies on WhatsApp which is a bit of a consolation at this present time. I've never, ever, seen the city so deserted & quiet as today, surreal doesn't cover it. As we say "If you don't laugh ye wid greet!" ;D
Skoosh.
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Lovely today hearing people today talking to each other from their front gardens. It really reminded me of how wonderful it is to just talk to somebody.
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This is interesting from an email from Waitrose explaining their new safety measures
"All Partners will be offered special visors, creating an extra layer of protection."
Partners are all the people who work there. So they are doing more for their employees than the government are doing for the NHS re protection.
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So they are doing more for their employees than the government are doing for the NHS re protection.
So I'm guessing what you are saying is that they have sourced protective equipment which should have been given to the NHS instead then?
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Whilst I do not disagree with much of what you say,how can I,it makes sense.....
but there were families split up,for years,children from parents, husbands and wives,
the millions of displaced people across Europe.
The mass extermination of millions of people.
Yes we could talk to neighbours,but often not the day after a bombing raid!
This is frightening because of its insidiousness, there is no psychology to it.
Generals could plan and read to some extent their opponent’s minds ,fool them ,give out false infiormation and codes could be broken etc .
We had a measure of control ,but for the first time since 1066, we were an invaded country, not by actual men but by bombs and planes and long distance rockets.
It was terrifying , the worst thing we had ever known , and we were in it together and we got through it because of outstanding leadership and
our own sangfroid.
Not everyone was unselfish ,the black market flourished, but generally speaking people were pretty law abiding and acted as they saw it ——
Patriotically !
People are pretty hedonistic nowadays, and make such a fuss ,so dramatic .
This virus is truly frightening ,but advice which helps to limit its spread should be seen as helpful,however inconvenient, something positive we can do.
Yes it will be lonely and depressing, but we ordinary people are doing something.
That gives a measure of control.
Other than making do and mending, digging for victory,using blackout curtains, working all the hours possible, etc we were helpless.
This is very different to wartime, I agree , but that is the nearest disaster with which we can compare .
The special spirit that prevailed then would do no harm now.
People are so good ,great kindness us already in evidence as well as selfishness born from fear.
Let’s support one another as best we can .
I am totally frustrated,as one who must practice social distancing I am not able to do anything practical for friends and neighbours.
I don’t Like that.
Best wishes to you all and sincere hopes we all stay well and our families too.
Goodnight and God bless.
Viktoria.
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So they are doing more for their employees than the government are doing for the NHS re protection.
So I'm guessing what you are saying is that they have sourced protective equipment which should have been given to the NHS instead then?
Not at all, I'm saying that they have managed to provide their employees with protective equipment, so why hasn't the government provided the NHS with similar.
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As I understand it, what Waitrose are doing is placing perspex screens around the tills, which is not using protective gear that would work for NHS staff. What it is doing, is helping reassure both customers and staff.
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Not according to their email. They are providing both screens and visors.
New cleanliness measures will be adopted and checkout screens introduced, to protect customers and Partners.
All Partners will be offered special visors, creating an extra layer of protection.
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You beat me to it Groom... that's what their email I had said too, good for staff and reassuring.... must be New because didn't notice either when I was in there yesterday, but to be fair I used self checkout as nobody else was using it so safer... wore disposable gloves too.
Caroline
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The Royal Hospital for Children in Glasgow has remedied the visor shortage there by making its own and can produce more than a hundred an hour. There were only 50 in the hospital and a lack of acetate sheet held back production. This has been remedied after an appeal but the health board remind staff that safety equipment, though well intentioned, has to be tested & approved & are looking at this initiative.
A pupil at Lochaber High School has developed his own visor & supplied the local Belford hospital.
Skoosh.
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I think I saw on the news last night that people living near hospitals in Spain or was it Italy :-\ are making visors and face masks at home for their health workers.
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It has just been reported that 10-13 more hospitals, similar to the one being set up in the Excel Centre in London, are planned; one up here. I'm not sure where the others are to be but assume that they will be in the major cities.
The Excel Centre will take 4,000 beds and morgues.
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The Royal Hospital for Children in Glasgow has remedied the visor shortage there by making its own and can produce more than a hundred an hour. There were only 50 in the hospital and a lack of acetate sheet held back production. This has been remedied after an appeal but the health board remind staff that safety equipment, though well intentioned, has to be tested & approved & are looking at this initiative.
A pupil at Lochaber High School has developed his own visor & supplied the local Belford hospital.
Skoosh.
In the current emergency situation, WHY?!
Protecting front-line workers is of paramount importance.
Meeting the needs of pettifogging bureaucracy is surely secondary?! >:(
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Hi all from the sunny North East. We have been so lucky with the weather lately. Roobarb I hadn't realised you were in the northeast as well. Just take things one day at a time, I think that's what we all can do .However I do know that once this is over, assuming we don't get locked down even further, that my garden will be weed free and turned over and pruned within an inch of its life!
I'm doing a small outside task each day on the days that the weather is nice and saving the indoor tasks for when we get some rain. The garage will get tidied up at some point , as will the loft. That's the target anyway.
When I'm stuck inside, I'm going to try and finish a hard jigsaw I got last year, then some family history and then DVDs or iplayer type things. I'm trying to structure my days as ' work' in the morning, then stop for a lunch break, 'jobs I'd like to get done' in the afternoon and then stop by 4pm and the tv goes on to catch up with anything new. Then evening at leisure, whatever that means . For some people they like to have structure in a day, for others that makes them feel worse, so please no one think the way I'm doing things is for everyone, it's not, but I offer it in case someone finds it interesting or useful.
Let's keep supporting each other as we always do and this is a safe place to air our feelings. Of course if anyone doesn't want to air in 'public' , then we have our PM messaging too.
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Indeed KG, anent pettifoggery, one hopes the hospital staff extended forth the middle digit & told them to "Swivel!" ;D
Skoosh.
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Great news that 405,000 NHS volunteers have come forward in answer to Boris's appeal smashing the target in 24 hours and that latest death toll is lower than expected. Hopefully, if we continue to be extremely vigilant (we can't afford to be lax) in following all the rules there will be hope on the horizon. :)
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Birmingham City Council
"Birmingham’s Trading Standards team are urging residents to be aware of a number of Coronavirus-linked scams which are targeting vulnerable people across the UK."
People are being contacted by Doorstep Callers, Telephone and Text etc.
People searching for help are finding official looking fake sites displaying the official UK Government logo.
Website redirects are taking enquirers to NON UK Government websites who give their Bank and Card details to Fraudsters.
Beware the lowest of the low are operating too.
Mark
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I live in west Bromwich and I've heard about scams but so far so good no contact but these really are the lowest of the low doing it whilst this current situation exists. When caught should really have the book thrown at them.
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talked about using the NEC Birmingham
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Great news that 405,000 NHS volunteers have come forward in answer to Boris's appeal smashing the target in 24 hours and that latest death toll is lower than expected. Hopefully, if we continue to be extremely vigilant (we can't afford to be lax) in following all the rules there will be hope on the horizon. :)
Of course they wouldn't have been necessary if it hadn't been for Government cutbacks and budget cuts over the past 10 years?
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talked about using the NEC Birmingham
I'm assuming the Newcastle one will be at the Arena
So 8-11 other sites.
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Great news that 405,000 NHS volunteers have come forward in answer to Boris's appeal smashing the target in 24 hours and that latest death toll is lower than expected. Hopefully, if we continue to be extremely vigilant (we can't afford to be lax) in following all the rules there will be hope on the horizon. :)
I signed up to this yesterday and am awaiting ID clearance and further instructions.
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As the Royal Navy prepares to help the NHS they have had to shadow seven Russian War ships after unusually high levels of activity in the English Channel and North Sea.
https://metro.co.uk/2020/03/26/russian-warships-tracked-channel-north-sea-royal-navy-12459048/?ito=cbshare
Sandra
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As the Royal Navy prepares to help the NHS they have had to shadow seven Russian War ships after unusually high levels of activity in the English Channel and North Sea.
https://metro.co.uk/2020/03/26/russian-warships-tracked-channel-north-sea-royal-navy-12459048/?ito=cbshare
Sandra
Try not to worry, it is not unusual for another Country to test the defence reaction of another Country at any time. Our Forces are still on watch 24/7 365 days a year (366 in a Leap Year).
2019
https://www.raf.mod.uk/news/articles/raf-typhoons-intercept-russian-aircraft-over-the-north-sea/
The Guardian claims the RAF were airborne early this month 2020 when Russian aircraft approached UK airspace.
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Perhaps they are looking for toilet rolls................... :)
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Perhaps they are looking for toilet rolls................... :)
I like your humour :D ;D
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Well they have to be stored somewhere, I honestly haven't seen any in a shop since all this started.
Fortunately had stocked up as normal beforehand. Phew.
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Such is the Royal Navy's vigilance that in 2011 a Russian Carrier & its escorts unexpectedly took shelter in the Moray Firth, there being then no conventional warship based in Scotland to see them off. One of them apparently did a bit of fly-tipping according to the Press and by the time the cavalry arrived from Devonshire or somewhere. The aircraft carrier, a destroyer, two frigates, three oil tankers & a sea-going tug up-anchored and was off! We could all have been murdered in our beds!
Mike, superb kid, well done that man! ;D
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I decided today to go to the top shops, couldn't face queuing up with the over whatever age en masse at the crack of dawn, did it 2 weeks ago
I was very impressed with our local Morrison's, it was calm and everyone was sensible, I got all of what I needed so I was pleased, well done to them
On walking people or we crossed the road and we smiled across, thank goodness every one appears to be sensible
Nice pleasant walk in the sun, did us both good, was back in the hour
Louisa Maud
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talked about using the NEC Birmingham
I'm assuming the Newcastle one will be at the Arena
So 8-11 other sites.
An exhibition centre in Manchester.
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…. and that latest death toll is lower than expected. Hopefully, if we continue to be extremely vigilant (we can't afford to be lax) in following all the rules there will be hope on the horizon. :)
Isn't this precisely what is wanted - to slow down the death rate at the current time to make numbers manageable by the NHS. What concerns me is these numbers will continue to slow and some people will think the problem is over and done with and will fail to observe the rules. The virus will then start up again!
Pheno
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Such is the Royal Navy's vigilance that in 2011 a Russian Carrier & its escorts unexpectedly took shelter in the Moray Firth, there being then no conventional warship based in Scotland to see them off. One of them apparently did a bit of fly-tipping according to the Press and by the time the cavalry arrived from Devonshire or somewhere. The aircraft carrier, a destroyer, two frigates, three oil tankers & a sea-going tug up-anchored and was off! We could all have been murdered in our beds!
Mike, superb kid, well done that man! ;D
In that case (2011) the Russian group were sheltering from stormy weather, this is standard shipping protocol, as soon as it was possible they left the sheltered waters. A similar incident happened in 2017 when a group were being shadowed by HMS Defender
Cheers
Guy
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That incident was six years later. Of course the Russians were sheltering from rough weather, a whole Russian fleet sails through the oil rigs with no RN surface vessel in attendance because there were no surface ships based here. It was a disgrace which is why we still bring the matter up!
http://thefederalist-gary.blogspot.com/2011/12/shock-russian-fleet-appears-off.html
Skoosh.
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This is very different to wartime, I agree , but that is the nearest disaster with which we can compare .
Let’s support one another as best we can .
I am totally frustrated,as one who must practice social distancing I am not able to do anything practical for friends and neighbours.
I don’t Like that.
The nearest I'm thinking of is the "Spanish" influenza 1918. My grandparents had 2 enemies at once - War and Pestilence. There were also food shortages. People could be fined for throwing away edible food.
My local shopkeeper kept a loaf of fresh bread for me this week. She produced it from behind the counter when I walked through the door. I felt like I was in WW1 when the sale of bread was subject to restrictions. The shop had 2 different varieties of tinned meat this week. Well-known, not cheap brands. Spoiled for choice! I now have 1 of each, bought on 2 days. Opening a can tonight.
Some small businesses are doing deliveries. I'm intending to order fresh vegetables and organic milk again. I normally buy organic milk from a supermarket but that's out of bounds for me at present. List of local businesses delivering was provided by a volunteer group set up almost 2 weeks ago in response to the crisis. They link with a food information website, set up this month by a local woman. As I'm currently classed a vulnerable person, I've had several offers of help, including from my local little shop.
Viktoria, can you be a telephone buddy for friends & neighbours? A service offered by the volunteer group is phone calls, so that an isolated person can talk to someone.
Hubs are being set up this week in towns & cities, districts & local authority areas which are intended to act as a central point of contact, provider of information and coordinator of volunteers. The one here is run by the umbrella organisation for third-sector organisations, charities and voluntary & community groups. I got an email from the organisation last week, asking how many staff and vehicles my community group has. (Nil. Nil.)
Read local newspapers or news website, listen to local radio (not as local as it used to be), check community websites for information. Listen to the real experts.
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latest death toll is lower than expected.
That's good to hear, but surely the affect of the lock down on the spread of the virus won't be known for at least 14 days because of the incubation period of the virus?
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It's up in Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland, though.
Just been looking at some sources and this might explain the lower figure for England:
For some reason they counted deaths up to 9am yesterday. On previous days it’s been up to 1pm.
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Great interview on This Morning with Jenny Harries, the Deputy Chief Medical Officer for England. I know all Rootschatters don't live in England but the things she talked about were relevant regardless of nationality. Very informative and put across well by this reassuring lady.
Anyone interested can get it on ITV Player.
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Hi all from the sunny North East. We have been so lucky with the weather lately. Roobarb I hadn't realised you were in the northeast as well. Just take things one day at a time, I think that's what we all can do .However I do know that once this is over, assuming we don't get locked down even further, that my garden will be weed free and turned over and pruned within an inch of its life!
I'm doing a small outside task each day on the days that the weather is nice and saving the indoor tasks for when we get some rain.
That's my intention too. :) Had to stop myself at one point today, once I start in the garden I'm in danger of getting carried away!
Gadget, I put my trust in the Met Office yesterday for the temperatures, couldn't believe it though when I had to go inside and change my clothes because I was too hot! Lovely :D
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Number of dead is now 578 :'(
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Up 115 deaths today and worse to come in 2/3 weeks they are saying. :'(
Stay Safe Everyone.
Sandra
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The UK experienced the largest daily increase in deaths from coronavirus. The total now stands at 578, up by 115 on the previous figure. The Department for Health and Social Care also confirmed that 11,658* people across the UK have tested positive for the virus.
I echo Sandra's wishes.
* that's about 2000 increase
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It's up in Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland, though.
Just been looking at some sources and this might explain the lower figure for England:
For some reason they counted deaths up to 9am yesterday. On previous days it’s been up to 1pm.
latest death toll is lower than expected.
That's good to hear, but surely the affect of the lock down on the spread of the virus won't be known for at least 14 days because of the incubation period of the virus?
Apparent fall and then rise in latest published daily death figures is due to synchronization of announcements in the 4 parts of UK. From now on, health authorities in UK will collate the figures at the same time each day. The daily figure will therefore be deaths in the whole UK over a 24 hour period. The lower figure to which Groom referred wasn't for 24 hours. The higher figure which followed is for deaths reported over the following 36 hours. The 2 figures added together gives the total recorded deaths over 48 hours. Each daily total may not be entirely accurate since a death isn't reported until next-of-kin have been informed.
(Source: Q&A on "P.M." programme, BBC Radio 4, today. There's Q&A with an expert each day. "More or Less" is returning for a Covid-19 special.)
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Great interview on This Morning with Jenny Harries, the Deputy Chief Medical Officer for England. I know all Rootschatters don't live in England but the things she talked about were relevant regardless of nationality. Very informative and put across well by this reassuring lady.
I agree. Likewise Catherine Calderwood, Scottish CMO. On "Broadcasting House" Radio 4 Sunday mornings from 9 A.M.
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The UK experienced the largest daily increase in deaths from coronavirus. The total now stands at 578, up by 115 on the previous figure. The Department for Health and Social Care also confirmed that 11,658* people across the UK have tested positive for the virus.[/quote
* that's about 2000 increase
What's the source of the quote?
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The government seems to release our (UK) figures quite late now. Sky and BBC appear to give the news first
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
Note not all countries are reporting cases accurately
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Pleased to say many people on my road just now were out clapping the NHS.
One next door but one neighbour just back from New York has had Corona Virus whilst there .
Was very ill and he is a young middle aged( early fifties at the most) slim fit chap.
Dare not go to visit his aged parents and son who lives with his ex wife.
I usually have his key etc when he is away,but as I could not See very well
I though it better his Dad had it ,I could not have done the code etc.
Well I am pleased there has been some appreciation shown for NHS staff.
Viktoria.
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It appears Covid-19 "hotspots" are also a problem. There is no apparent reason for them. Gwent is our hotspot here in Wales.
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I’m glad to say our trip to Basingstoke Hospital today for my husband’s treatment went well. They are keeping all covid-19 patients separate to the main hospital. All day clinics are closed, it was very quiet. Didn’t touch anything other than the lift button and I had vinyl gloves on.
Next treatment will be at home :D
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I went out, most of the clapping was further down the road but a fair few out, I found it quite emotional , my clap was for anyone whose is doing a good job to help everyone , well done them
Louisa Maud
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I just took part in the clapping for the nhs. I opened the window just 5mins before and noticed there was an ambulance opposite. I was n't sure whether it was bringing or taking someone or just pulled up there. Someone started clapping and it all took off from there. It may have been a regular customer for the ambulance as I've seen one several times over there. My downstairs neighbours heard the clapping and joined in. Must admit I was n't sure if anyone would join in. I saw an elderly man come out into his front garden to clap so I knew I would n't be the only one.
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Daily Press Conference on the Isle of Man is at 4pm.
Latest figures:
394 Test results (out of 634 total tests)
26 confirmed cases; 2 hospitalised
Still zero deaths.
IOM Borders now closed - or will be as soon as the overnight ferry arrives.
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It appears Covid-19 "hotspots" are also a problem. There is no apparent reason for them. Gwent is our hotspot here in Wales.
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I've just been looking at the latest for Newcastle. It started out quite low but it started climbing over the weekend. It's now up to 80, just below Camden :-\
https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/f94c3c90da5b4e9f9a0b19484dd4bb14
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My next but one neighbour said he had it whilst in N. York.
He was away just after when I’d had my second eye done Feb 14 th.
So how long is the incubation period ,will he have contracted it here or there ?.
He has been back a few days but of course was in hospital in New York.
That is worrying , but he has not been tested as far as I could ascertain .
We were speaking at a distance.
So possibly something else but the same symptoms.
Viktoria.
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Somebody apparently let a rocket off in Glenkirk? for the NHS, it hit a guy in the face & he's currently at the Southern General.
Skoosh.
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Somebody apparently let a rocket off in Glenkirk? for the NHS, it hit a guy in the face & he's currently at the Southern General.
Skoosh.
Stupid person.
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Good news today, the RAF finally got our son home today from the Offutt Air Base in Omaha. He wasn't due home for another two weeks. So relieved :D
Carol
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Good news today, the RAF finally got our son home today from the Offutt Air Base in Omaha. He wasn't due home for another two weeks. So relieved :D
Carol
Great news. You must all be very happy.
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Mike in Cumbria, (post 171) that is fantastic that you have signed up to be one of thousands of NHS volunteers! People who have come forward like you will no doubt have a massive impact on easing the burden which is now being placed on the NHS and this will help us all. Thank you to you and all the other wonderful volunteers who have come forward to meet this crisis.
This website below gives info on how to sign up and what tasks might entail if anyone else might be interested and able to do it. As this appeal has been so successful it is now hoped to reach an even bigger target of 750,000. :)
https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/coronavirus-nhs-volunteer-responder-how-to-sign-up-apply-a9423221.html
Apparently, even those in high risk groups such as the over 70s, pregnant or those with underlying medical conditions can be accepted to offer support to others by telephone.
I am so glad for you Carol, that your son is home. I can imagine how much of a relief this will be. :)
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That will have cheered up many RootsChatters on your behalf.
So very pleased for you and Thankyou for sharing,we all need all the good news we can get.
Viktoria.
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Carol great news about your son.
Gadget I've not seen that site before with all the numbers so thanks.
We opened our upstairs window last night as I thought I'd see more of who was out from there. I could hear people further up the estate who clapped and whooped with gusto. There weren't many clapping near me but it was great to be part of it.
Practical rootschat question, people refer to reply number .... eg post number 171. Where do you find a posts number? I'm on an old iPad and I cant see number next to a post. Sorry if it's obvious , but I genuinely can't see a number.
Many thanks .
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The post number is directly underneath the subject heading on each posting.
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Carol great news about your son.
Gadget I've not seen that site before with all the numbers so thanks.
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Practical rootschat question, people refer to reply number .... eg post number 171. Where do you find a posts number? I'm on an old iPad and I cant see number next to a post. Sorry if it's obvious , but I genuinely can't see a number.
Many thanks .
Very pleased for you Carol :)
CF - the full numbers are up at about 9 pm each evening
Post number can be seen under the post heading as Reply #nnn (as Jennifer has just shown)
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Is this a first?
Mike Ashley has apologised :o and will try to learn from his mistakes :-X https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-52061206
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The post number is directly underneath the subject heading on each posting.
OHHHHH
Now that explains it! I have an eye condition and that print to me is quite small , especially on the iPad, so I've never got my eyes on it. As they say every day is a school day and some of us are slow learners. :)
Many thanks
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Hi
The young woman who self posted (which ended up on TV) whilst on oxygen etc in ITU with the virus is now at home and looks to have recovered and the man in hospital with the tube attached to his neck says he feels he is improving, so there is also great news!
There are wonderful positive events to come out of a Crisis in which people are dying too.
Thank you to all.
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On a more serious note people are still driving to Beauty Locations and National Parks yesterday/recent days and walking and this ignores STAY AT HOME Rules.
Some UK Authorities have drones up observing walkers walking to and from their cars at the above locations (on BBC this morning) and obviously ANPR is used all the time anyway.
Coronavirus is a spreadable Disease and I understand the ban on movement is already covered by an existing UK Public Health Act in Force.
Regarding the current UK Exercise Rule, it only allows us to go for a WALK from our own front door ONCE daily, as long as SOCIAL DISTANCING is observed and those with you are from your OWN HOUSEHOLD.
We all need to keep WASHING OUR HANDS IN SOAP AND WATER too.
Stay safe - Protect the NHS, OTHERS and yourself.
Mark
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On a more serious note people are still driving to Beauty Locations and National Parks yesterday/recent days and walking and this ignores STAY AT HOME Rules.
Some UK Authorities have drones up observing walkers walking to and from their cars at the above locations (on BBC this morning) and obviously ANPR is used all the time anyway.
Coronavirus is a spreadable Disease and I understand the ban on movement is already covered by an existing UK Public Health Act in Force.
Regarding the current UK Exercise Rule, it only allows us to go for a WALK from our own front door ONCE daily, as long as SOCIAL DISTANCING is observed and those with you are from your OWN HOUSEHOLD.
We all need to keep WASHING OUR HANDS IN SOAP AND WATER too.
Stay safe - Protect the NHS, OTHERS and yourself.
Mark
Includes beaches too
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-52039658
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There are so many cars, nose to tail,(don’t know how they have parked so tightly!) parked down my road.
Obviously people not working,but more cars than at weekends ,strange.
It is silent ,as is the fair sized estate behind me.
Usually children playing and passing along the side lane to the park etc.
The morning and afternoon walk to and from school ,where if I am in the garden hanging out washing etc ,I see people who were children when I worked at the school ,taking theirs to school now.
How the years fly .
Wonder what the future holds for them, this silence is truly unnatural.
I feel so sorry for parents, stuck in with bored children, worried about so much,not least money and the future.
Right, pull myself together, tidy the kitchen( to say I have only toasted one slice of bread and made a cuppa,why does it look as if vandals have been in?)
The sun is shining ,I have the phone, RootsChat,and plenty to do .
Cheerio folks, I’ ll be better when this massive hangover from last night’s knees up has cleared.
Viktoria.
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I hope it's OK to post this here - Trystan please delete if not appropriate:
A group of doctors are crowdfunding to buy PPE for NHS staff:
https://www.crowdfunder.co.uk/masks4nhsheroes
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BBC Laura has announced that Boris Johnson has tested positive.
He has mild symptoms and will self-isolate in Downing Street, and will remain in charge of the government’s handling of the crisis.
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Oh! That is something that never crossed my mind,why did I think he was immune?
Wow, that is a blow!
Will we be able to contribute to the PPE equipment?
I feel, (tried to post this before seeing the above) it would be a fitting gesture.
Viktoria.
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Gadget,
Thanks for the heads up on this
https://www.crowdfunder.co.uk/masks4nhsheroes
Fisherman
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BoJo tests positive for coronavirus :o
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I hope it's OK to post this here - Trystan please delete if not appropriate:
A group of doctors are crowdfunding to buy PPE for NHS staff:
https://www.crowdfunder.co.uk/masks4nhsheroes
It sounds good but is money the issue? I thought it was a supply problem. Happy to donate though, if it will help.
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I'm not surprised he has got it :( all the people he must have had contact with over the past few weeks. Wishing him well.
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Has anyone else been watching Rishi Sunak and thinking "There is our probable next Prime Minister?"
(No political arguing please - it's a straightforward question!)
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No haven't been thinking that.
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Has anyone else been watching Rishi Sunak and thinking "There is our probable next Prime Minister?"
(No political arguing please - it's a straightforward question!)
That thought crossed my mind yesterday as he is a far better speaker than our present PM, I can actually listen to him without being distracted by the ums, breaks and emphasis in the wrong places and arm waving.
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Has anyone else been watching Rishi Sunak and thinking "There is our probable next Prime Minister?"
(No political arguing please - it's a straightforward question!)
Didn't John Crace wonder that yesterday?
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Has anyone else been watching Rishi Sunak and thinking "There is our probable next Prime Minister?"
(No political arguing please - it's a straightforward question!)
Yes.
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Has anyone else been watching Rishi Sunak and thinking "There is our probable next Prime Minister?"
(No political arguing please - it's a straightforward question!)
Didn't John Crace wonder that yesterday?
I hadn't read that but I have now.
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Has anyone else been watching Rishi Sunak and thinking "There is our probable next Prime Minister?"
(No political arguing please - it's a straightforward question!)
Didn't John Crace wonder that yesterday?
Yes, - and yes he did. I read that too...
Romilly.
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Now Matt Hancock has tested positive.
Rishi might have to take over soon.
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It'll probably be the whole Cabinet soon...(!)
Romilly.
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Now Matt Hancock has tested positive.
Rishi might have to take over soon.
Always assuming he isn't next to contract it.
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It'll probably be the whole Cabinet soon...(!)
Romilly.
Priti Patel was quite close to Boris at Wednesday's PMQs
I've got a theory about Prince Charles. Ronnie Wood has just died of C-19. Prince Charles was seen meeting him at a gathering on March 12-13th.
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This has just come up:
The prime minister’s chief adviser, Dominic Cummings, was seen running from Downing Street, around the same time that Boris Johnson announced to the nation he had contracted covid-19 on Thursday.
In the footage, captured by BBC and Sky news cameras, Cummings flees from a back gate with a rucksack.
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I've got a theory about Prince Charles. Ronnie Wood has just died of C-19. Prince Charles was seen meeting him at a gathering on March 12-13th.
I thought that was a hoax
https://en.mediamass.net/people/ronnie-wood/deathhoax.html
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Now Matt Hancock has tested positive.
Rishi might have to take over soon.
Apparently Dominic Raab is the one who would take over - always assuming he isn't the next one to go sick.
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I've got a theory about Prince Charles. Ronnie Wood has just died of C-19. Prince Charles was seen meeting him at a gathering on March 12-13th.
I thought that was a hoax
https://en.mediamass.net/people/ronnie-wood/deathhoax.html
I gather it was his brother in law who died
https://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/jo-wood-says-brother-die-21764540
unless this is another hoax??
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I haven't seen Rishi Sunak, as I don't watch TV news, but I heard him on the radio and thought he was a very impressive speaker, and seemed to be able to juggle all the questions he was being asked.
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It;s going up even faster now
Department of Health and Social Care
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@DHSCgovuk
UPDATE on coronavirus (#COVID19) testing in the UK:
As of 9am 27 March, a total of 113,777 have been tested:
99,198 negative.
14,579 positive.
As of 5pm on 26 March, of those hospitalised in the UK, 759 have sadly died.
Department of Health and Social Care
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@DHSCgovuk
https://twitter.com/DHSCgovuk/status/1243541321601748993/photo/1
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Chief Medical Officer now diagnosed with coronavirus. ::)
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/breaking-chief-medical-officer-chris-21767882
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-chief-medical-officer-chris-whitty-self-isolates-with-symptoms-11964697
Sandra
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News from the Isle of Man:
A 16 year old was arrested yesterday at Tesco for abusive and aggressive behaviour towards staff.
Sentenced today to 28 days jail, 6 month ASBO plus a fine.
59 year old man arrived by private jet, after the borders were closed. Gave police false information as to name, address and date-of-birth.
Arrested at home; found guilty. Remanded in custody until April 23rd for sentencing.
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Here we have a shopowner of a bakery fined by a police officer for 'criminal damage' after she drew social-distancing markers in CHALK outside her bakery.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8159177/Police-forces-accused-overzealousness-follow-dog-walkers.html
Sandra
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This look pretty bad:
https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/f94c3c90da5b4e9f9a0b19484dd4bb14
PS - Newcastle seems to be going up fast (121 - 41 more than yesterday)
Add - could be an increase in testing
Keep safe
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Must be a problem for the police,, all this chalk.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/10046236/Police-warned-girl-10-chalk-hopscotch-grid-on-path-was-criminal-damage.html
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"A 16 year old was arrested yesterday at Tesco for abusive and aggressive behaviour towards staff."
Bring back the birch. ;D
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"Bring back the birch."
There were several videos on tv here of the police flogging people out and about without permission during curfew hours - appeared to be drunk teenagers.
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"A 16 year old was arrested yesterday at Tesco for abusive and aggressive behaviour towards staff."
Bring back the birch. ;D
That's a commonly heard comment on the IOM.
We stopped using it in 1976.
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Here we have a shopowner of a bakery fined by a police officer for 'criminal damage' after she drew social-distancing markers in CHALK outside her bakery.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8159177/Police-forces-accused-overzealousness-follow-dog-walkers.html
Sandra
I've just watched a youtube video of an altercation between a woman shopkeeper and a police officer about chalk on the pavement.
I think she should look at the deeds of her property because, there's usually a one yard perimeter around a building that belongs to the property (for maintenance purposes) and the chalk line could quite easily be on her property.
Additionally, I see that the pavement is quite wide, which might denote that the shop had a larger frontage. Years ago, once a year shop owners used to rope off the area of the pavement that belonged to their premises, but I haven't seen this done for years.
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It seems people are using cemeteries as an alternative to parks to get around social distancing measures.
Sandra
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But where do you draw the line with enforcement?. ::) ::) ::) I know, I know!. :-X
Not on the pavement, apparently ----- sorry, just couldn't resist it. ;)
:)
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Hop it! You could be a criminal: What police told girl, 10, who chalked hopscotch grid on the pavement outside her home...........
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2321841/Police-warn-girl-10-chalk-hopscotch-grid-pavement-outside-home-criminal-damage.html
Sandra
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It seems people are using cemeteries as an alternative to parks to get around social distancing measures.
Sandra
Or to comply with them?
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Our lockdown in France has now been extended to at least 15 April - we're on day 10 nationally, and this area (Haut-Rhin) was on partial lockdown for a week prior to that as it's one of the worst affected. We're allowed to exercise for no more than an hour once per day and must remain within 1 km of our home. I'm lucky enough to live on the edge of a forest - I feel sorry for those in the cities. :(
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To add to those nature links someone posted yesterday
The Royal Albatross chick cam at Tairoa Head, Dunedin, NZ.
Dunedin on the extreme left of the image.
https://youtu.be/t9XNKQY4tQc
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Topic continued here:
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=827816.0