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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Nottinghamshire => Topic started by: Agnesevans on Wednesday 25 March 20 20:48 GMT (UK)
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William tudor married sarah butler in 1857 in hucknall torkard i think, he is a distant relative, but his birth name was maybe toader. Could he have just decided to change it?
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William tudor married sarah butler in 1857 in hucknall torkard i think, he is a distant relative, but his birth name was maybe toader. Could he have just decided to change it?
I should add i am completely new to family history searching
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Welcome to Rootschat
According to the 1861 entry he is William Tudor b 1824 Hucknall Torkard
Does his birthyear & birthplace fit with what you know about your William Toader?
What document have you seen with surname Toader as it could be a mistranscription
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William Toader baptised Hucknall Torkard 14 April 1822 mother Hannah Toader single woman
William Tudor married Sarah Butler 26 July 1857 in Basford.
He may have deliberately changed his name or it could have been misheard and therefore misspelt. Not everyone was literate so they may not have known either how to spell their name or if what had been written down was incorrect. Local accents could also have played a part.
Emeltom
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Just found a baptismal entry 14.4.1822 - mother Hannah Toader so he was illegitimate.
There is a tree on Ancestry showing both surnames and showing his father as William Shooter. His wife is shown as Sarah Davis so was he a widower when he married Sarah Butler
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In 1841 he is William Shooter aged 19 living with parents William & Hannah both 35 plus a lot of children born to the Shooter/Toader marriage
He is not with them in 1851
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Wow, what an amazing lot of responses and so fast! I am grateful.
Yes william shooter is involved i think but do you think then that william tudor really is a Toader not a Tudor and it was just mis-written?
His daughter, Elizabeth Tudor is in my maternal line, but why persist with the name Tudor, unless they thought it sounded better than Toader.
Unless his mothers name should really have been Tudor not Toader. Its very confusing!
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William Toader baptised Hucknall Torkard 14 April 1822 mother Hannah Toader single woman
William Tudor married Sarah Butler 26 July 1857 in Basford.
He may have deliberately changed his name or it could have been misheard and therefore misspelt. Not everyone was literate so they may not have known either how to spell their name or if what had been written down was incorrect. Local accents could also have played a part.
Emeltom
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Thankyou for your response Emeltom :D
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Thanks for your efforts carolew, much appreciated.
Do you think he just takes the shooter name then As his mother marries william shooter? And then reverts to Toader/Tudor when he marries?
I think sarah davis was born davis then married someone called butler, but i am going on info gleaned fr9m others. I am jumping in at this point without having done the work myself i am afraid, just very very curious as to whether my family line is a Tudor one and if theres any possible connection to welsh tudors/twdwrs/tewdwrs/tudurs etc!.
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Sarah is on the 1851 as Davis with parents William & Ann. There is a marriage in Basford RD in 1853 which has a Thomas Butler on the same page.
There is a death for a 23yr old Thomas Butler Dec qtr 1854 Basford
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Baptisms Hucknall Torkard St Mary Magdalene
16 Feb 1859 Elizabeth Sarah Ann dau of William & Sarah TUDOR father a FWK
24 Aug 1861 Hannah same details.
There is also a baptism for a Hannah 8 May 1803 mother Hannah TOADER.
Could she be the mother of William? She would have been 19 ish.
Marriage's same church.
30 Dec 1823 William Shooter and Hannah Toader
24 Oct 1825 John Bostock and Hannah Toader
Hannah Bostock is aged 60 on the 1841 census...so the correct age to be Hannah (1803) mother.
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Hi Larkspur
The Shooter/Toader marriage is the right one. See earlier replies - 1841 is under Shooter
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Once again, I am incredibly impressed by, and thankful for, the help given.
It seems Hannah Toader was busy. Giving birth age 19 as an unmarried mother then married twice within a couple of years.
The eliz sarah ann you mention larkspur (williams dau) is my gt gt grandmother. I was trying to figure out how far back the tudor name goes (prior to william) but it seems to end with Hannah and begin with her illigitimate son william. Being new to all this i find it confusing!
I am intrigued by why william appears as tudor unless it is simply a mispelling of his mothers surname, but then he seems to appear in a census age 19 as william shooter before marrying as tudor. It looks like my mothers romantic story of being related to THE tudors (orignating from henry tudor, wales) is utterly wrong, though she said there was a family bible, now lost, showing this connection. Never mind, Just a commoner!!
Thankyou all for your time, help and diligence :)
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With the two marriages above for Hannah T. I realise the first one is correct.
I was more interested in the second one. Hannah possible mother of Hannah born 1803. As she became Hannah Bostock and was 60 on the 1841 census making her birth around 1780...so 23 when her daughter Hannah was born in 1803 and 45 at the marriage to MR Bostock.
As for the spelling, not important at all...