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General => The Stay Safe Board => Topic started by: candleflame on Friday 27 March 20 21:46 GMT (UK)
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Has anyone seen any articles about why bread is so difficult to get , apart from the previous panic buying? BBC news did an article on flour this morning but I didn't hear them say, there's a shortage of flour so there's a shortage of bread.
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It seems people are using cemeteries as an alternative to parks to get around social distancing measures.
Sandra
No Sandra ,just the opposite .
It would take me over twenty minutes walking to get to the park which in all probability would be more frequented than the cemetery which is two or three minutes walk from my home.
I would meet or dodge more likely ,many more people .
I would have to turn round and go home before getting there to comply with
the half hour rule.
I would be on a busy street ,even though traffic is probably much less than usual, there is none in the cemetery.
If I have missed a directive I will be pleased to be corrected, but I have not heard about avoiding cemeteries specifically.
Viktoria.
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People gather in cemeteries avoid social distancing rules:
https://www.timesandstar.co.uk/news/18340920.people-gather-cemeteries-avoid-social-distancing-rules/
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Sandra it does say people are “gathering “in cemeteries.
I am usually the only person there ,it is not big and all of it can be seen from any part.
To gather anywhere is wrong ,but to keep,moving on a half hour walk in a deserted cemetery you know pretty well for sure WILL be deserted does no harm .It is not possible to “gather”, there are not enough if any people there besides myself.
The statement in the quote is on a par that of the policeman and the hopscotch!
Viktoria.
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The article does also says in the text - Reports have been received of people using cemeteries as an alternative to parks to get around social distancing measures.
There are four vehicles in the small picture we can see so its not deserted.
Only hope youngsters don't start using them again now the police are patrolling the streets, We have had vandalism in one of our beautiful local cemeteries before now.
Since we have recently had mothers day, there would have been many people going to the cemeteries for that occasion anyway.
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Has anyone seen any articles about why bread is so difficult to get , apart from the previous panic buying? BBC news did an article on flour this morning but I didn't hear them say, there's a shortage of flour so there's a shortage of bread.
Item on news tonight; Allinson's flour company are increasing production.
I was told last weekend that there was bread in 2 supermarkets in my town but there had been a run on booze. The lack of booze bothers me not; my last drink was New Year's Day.
I ate tortillas for lunch.
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I used to walk in Viktoria's cemetery when I or my dog were unable to walk to any other green space. The number of living people in it on a normal day could be counted on 1 hand.
Playground for small children in my park is closed. There are"Keep out" notices on climbing frame and exercise equipment for older kids in another part of park. :(
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Good Morning RootsChatters.
Hope everyone is safe and well. It is nice to keep popping in during the day to check and see that all the regulars and newcomers are safe and well. It would be dreadful to see us lose any Rootschatters to this awful virus.
Lovely to hear everyone's news and stories and lighten things up with sense of humour.
Stay Safe Everyone.
Sandra
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Sandra, the photograph of daffodils is lovely,I like to see the stems too ,in a clear glass vase like that.
For my sins,but in my defence also,as a child I and my friends used to play in deep woods where bluebells grew in profusion.
We picked them to take home and never seemed to lessen their abundance.
In a Two pound jam jar( yes so many) you could see the stems ,which for me was part of their appeal.
Now I do feel guilty for whilst they still grew ,the last time we visited ,not in the great swathes we saw as children.
I made the Milk Fadge I mentioned some time ago, it was quite acceptable.
8 oz SR Flour.
1 oz lard.
Half tsp salt
Quarter pint milk.
Sift flour and salt.
Rub in lard.
Add milk ( a tad more may be needed)
Bake on pre heated baking tray in oven, 350-475 (4-5) for 30 mins.
It is light and went well with my home made soup of one small onion,a geriatric potato and the thick stalk of some broccoli.
Add a veggie stock cube ,a good pinch of dried mixed herbs,pepper.
Whizz up and there you are!
I had a teensy bit of blue cheese left and that went on the “ bread”.
I used a quarter of the Fadge with the soup ,a bit more with a cuppa wth butter and jam for my tea and have half left for today’s delectation.
I need my TV programmes mag, but don’t think I will venture out.
Someone told a joke on R.C.:-
I passed an RAC van, the latest Corona Virus News was on the radio.
The driver was sobbing ,I thought “ he’s heading for a breakdown!”
I told it via phone to son in law, his response,” Never mind he’ll make a good recovery!”
It took me a minute or two!
Viktoria.
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Has anyone heard from Martin? He's not been on since Tuesday which is unusual.
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Has anyone heard from Martin? He's not been on since Tuesday which is unusual.
No, oh dear, no contact with him outside here. Hope he's OK,possibly just busy doing stuff around the house.
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There are some other 'regulars' who haven't been around for a while :-\
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Possibly, - as the weather has been so good, - everyone, (who can) is spending as much time as possible outside?
Romilly.
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Has anyone seen any articles about why bread is so difficult to get , apart from the previous panic buying? BBC news did an article on flour this morning but I didn't hear them say, there's a shortage of flour so there's a shortage of bread.
When all this started, flour was as difficult to find as toilet rolls!
And my local store (Tesco) were limiting people to 1 bag of flour per person!
I wanted SR flour to make my usual Easter Biscuits, and was running out of plain flour.
So I had to make 2 trips ;D
Bread also seemed to be in short supply, but I didn't need any then.
I subsequently got a sliced loaf (thick, wholemeal!), a baguette (wholemeal, to go with cheese for supper), crumpets and muffins (for breakfast).
And, of course I mean toasting muffins! ;D
The other, American, sort should really be called cup cakes? ;)
P.S. It might be sunny, but it's darned cold out there! Only 8C.
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Deserted London streets https://alondoninheritance.com/london-photography/very-different-london/
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When I saw those pics and the videos, Jennifer, I was open mouthed. That's not the London that I am used to. It brings home what has happened.
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Everybody doing their bit here:
Motorsport charity lends lifesaving equipment available to Manx NHS
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-isle-of-man-52037285
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When I saw those pics and the videos, Jennifer, I was open mouthed. That's not the London that I am used to. It brings home what has happened.
St Mark's Square Venice webcam https://www.skylinewebcams.com/en/webcam/italia/veneto/venezia/piazza-san-marco.html
scroll down for more :(
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I was only trying to browse a national chemists website and I got this message ;D
Hello, you're in a virtual queue
We're limiting the amount of people shopping the website to help ensure everyone gets what they need.
Please do not close this page.
Number of users in queue ahead of you: 52390
Your estimated wait time is: 43 minutes
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Wow!
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Same with Morrisons this morning Rosie - queue it
Number of users in queue ahead of you: 45145
Your estimated wait time is: 32 minutes
Sandra
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Also tried Tesco - no deliver slots - it went up to 17 April. Click and collect was 38 miles away :-\
Yikes. Thank goodness for neighbours, No shortage of those. "Angels"
Sandra
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Frightening isn't it.
My neighbours are all older than me though one offered to shop on the market for me when they went this week but they are in a very vulnerable family and really should not be out.
I am hoping that my shop is delivered next week as promised and that I can continue to access a slot each week then I can keep my neighbour and myself supplied with the necessities.
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Hopefully you will get all you ask for Rosie, that seems to be an other problem at the moment.
Fingers crossed for you.
Sandra
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Well my first ever on line shop was ooooh! not very good.
No toilet soap ,just the “Simple” sort £1-75 for three bars ,got one bar iof super sensitive stuff3-00 for one bar.
Only seventeen items from quite a few more .
No long life milk etc.
Asked for an iceberg lettuce, wow, a huge white football has arrived.
Lots of very basic things missing ,will try again but when the stuff will be delivered—————.
Hope everyone is well and in good cheer.
Viktoria.
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Thanks Sandra,
I am more concerned for my neighbour at the moment but I am sure we will cope between us ;D.
The delivery I have had was not bad though I will be asking for alternatives on everything in future.
I have been using S'sburys online weekly for a few years now and I normally don't ask for alternatives on anything but we can't afford to be choosy at the moment can we. ::)
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And don't even try looking at Ocado!
If I remember correctly, the queue ahead was 155,559, - (or something like that)
Rather frustratingly, our neighbors, who always have their groceries delivered, - are getting regular deliveries. But as new customers, we can't even get on there:-(
Romilly.
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Wow, did you see the guy "mash jersey potatoes" on Saturday Kitchen ??? They usually start off really expensive at this time of year. "Salmon confit with crushed new potatoes" Not exactly a cheap meal for everyone.
https://saturdaykitchenrecipes.com/saturday-kitchen-recipe/salmon-confit-with-crushed-new-potatoes/
Sandra
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I am hoping that my shop is delivered next week as promised and that I can continue to access a slot each week
Lucky if you can access a slot a week unless you already have them booked. I've just tried Waitrose who I've used for years. They are only reserving slots for people on the Government Very Vulnerable list and that doesn't include people over 70 unless they fit other criteria. Tesco has no slots showing for 3 weeks ahead. I don't think any other stores are accepting new shoppers, but believe none have slots anyway. I'm okay as I have a delivery booked for the 2nd April, so will add as much to that as possible. After that I will use local smaller shops or get family to pick up stuff. I feel very sorry for anyone without people to help.
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And don't even try looking at Ocado!
If I remember correctly, the queue ahead was 155,559, - (or something like that)
Rather frustratingly, our neighbors, who always have their groceries delivered, - are getting regular deliveries. But as new customers, we can't even get on there:-(
Romilly.
I always have my groceries delivered and have a delivery pass for which I am charged. I cannot get a delivery at all. Tried to get a collection slot instead but none of them available either. My main issue is coming home from work everything is closed due to reduced hours and when not at work no childcare and you're not allowed to take kids with you to the supermarket.
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I am hoping that my shop is delivered next week as promised and that I can continue to access a slot each week
Lucky if you can access a slot a week unless you already have them booked.
True Groom, I have yet to try and get another slot as I have a delivery due next week.
Maybe the supermarkets should consider rationing them to one a fortnight. The main reason for my online shop is fresh fruit and milk, the apples would generally last but I would be restricted to only 3 packs of 6 when one a day for each of us would exceed the limit. Most milk has long dates but probably not that long. I don't have family so no help there.
ADDED. But I am not complaining, there are lots of people who are much worse off than me. We will cope ;D
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I've just sorted my freezer out so I know exactly what is in there, for some reason I seem to have a surfeit of cauliflower and broccoli - a bag of each and a bag of mixed! I have enough food to last a bit, but I'll be eating a few funny mixtures by the end.
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Well, it's reached our little village now. One farmer on the outskirts of the village has it, as has a woman who works in the local co-op. Like most people round here, I shopped there this week.
This will become normal for all of us soon, but suddenly it feels even more real.
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And don't even try looking at Ocado!
If I remember correctly, the queue ahead was 155,559, - (or something like that)
Rather frustratingly, our neighbors, who always have their groceries delivered, - are getting regular deliveries. But as new customers, we can't even get on there:-(
Romilly.
I always have my groceries delivered and have a delivery pass for which I am charged. I cannot get a delivery at all. Tried to get a collection slot instead but none of them available either. My main issue is coming home from work everything is closed due to reduced hours and when not at work no childcare and you're not allowed to take kids with you to the supermarket.
Taking your kids shopping with you if you do not have childcare is one of the exceptions specifically listed in the guidance. You are allowed to take family members who have no one to care for them.
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Alister Jack, Scottish Secretary, now got symptoms. That makes 3 cabinet members.
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It would take me over twenty minutes walking to get to the park which in all probability would be more frequented than the cemetery which is two or three minutes walk from my home.
I would meet or dodge more likely ,many more people .
I would have to turn round and go home before getting there to comply with the half hour rule.
I would be on a busy street ,even though traffic is probably much less than usual, there is none in the cemetery.
If I have missed a directive I will be pleased to be corrected, but I have not heard about avoiding cemeteries specifically.
Viktoria.
The cemetery sounds an ideal place in your case, Viktoria, but what's the "half hour rule"? I thought we were advised to take our usual amount of exercise, whatever that might be.
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but what's the "half hour rule"? I thought we were advised to take our usual amount of exercise, whatever that might be.
Even before this virus, the powers that be suggested us older people should all do 30 minutes of exercise a day
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Nothing seems to be changing re the lack of supermarket delivery slots or their empty shelves. I don't think most people have paid any heed to the pleas to stop panic buying. I find it difficult to equate all those people ostentatiously standing at their front doors clapping the other evening with the number of selfish b---s who are still stripping the shelves. Double standards???
I really do think supermarkets should have shown some preference to their loyal regular customers instead of allowing the free for all when it comes to delivery spots.
Q: how do you get yourself onto one of these 'vulnerable' lists where the thousands of volunteers are supposed to be helping out? I find it really hard to consider myself in that category because, most of the time I'm fine, but I do fall into the age group and the 'underlying health' categories. My brain still thinks its 35!! And I still have that nagging feeling in the back of my head that its not fair to ask someone else to put themselves into danger for you!!
The latest thing seems to be that local bus timetables are being cut (understandably) so I wouldn't be able to pick up a repeat prescription when the time comes.
Plus, oh I am missing my crumpets!! Can't get any anywhere!!
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Aw chin up Jill...you can have some of mine ;)
Or make your own:
https://www.thedailyslowdown.com/recipe/38/Easy-and-delicious-home-made-crumpets
Carol
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Another 260 UK deaths and threat of stricter lockdown. :'( That brings it to over 1 1000 deaths now doesn't it. ???
Sandra
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lgNPGH1rXI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0MK7qz13bU
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but what's the "half hour rule"? I thought we were advised to take our usual amount of exercise, whatever that might be.
Even before this virus, the powers that be suggested us older people should all do 30 minutes of exercise a day
Is that maximum or minimum, or a rough average to aim for?
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Treetotal,
That's just plain cruel!!! :'( :'(
ADDED: Treetotal, your picture must have worked some magic! My niece has just dropped off a big pack of 9 crumpets! Bliss!
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Nothing seems to be changing re the lack of supermarket delivery slots or their empty shelves. I don't think most people have paid any heed to the pleas to stop panic buying. I find it difficult to equate all those people ostentatiously standing at their front doors clapping the other evening with the number of selfish b---s who are still stripping the shelves. Double standards???
I really do think supermarkets should have shown some preference to their loyal regular customers instead of allowing the free for all when it comes to delivery spots.
I don't think that people can stockpile from supermarkets now. At least where I shop the tills have been automatically programmed to flag up when you are trying to buy more than the prescribed amount of something. I knew it was two of any product so had two bars of soap and two liquid soaps - which we actually regularly use for different things - but this was deemed to be 4 soaps so two had to be put back.
Pheno
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Interesting to see on the bbc that some doctors are saying that getting some fresh air and exercise
and staying healthy is the best way to prepare ourselves to fight it off should we get it.
I was surprised but pleased to see it is especially important for those most at risk whe are self isolating.
Mike
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but what's the "half hour rule"? I thought we were advised to take our usual amount of exercise, whatever that might be.
Even before this virus, the powers that be suggested us older people should all do 30 minutes of exercise a day
I believe it is to go out for exercise once a day, for one hour. Hence, if the park is 40 minutes walk away, you can't walk there and back in under an hour, so have to turn back after 30 minutes.
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Treetotal,
That's just plain cruel!!! :'( :'(
ADDED: Treetotal, your picture must have worked some magic! My niece has just dropped off a big pack of 9 crumpets! Bliss!
Sorry...It wasn't meant to be cruel, Picture of crumpets now removed ::) but glad you got them.
Carol
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Lucky if you can access a slot a week unless you already have them booked. I've just tried Waitrose who I've used for years. They are only reserving slots for people on the Government Very Vulnerable list and that doesn't include people over 70 unless they fit other criteria. Tesco has no slots showing for 3 weeks ahead.
OH got an email from Waitrose about an hour ago to say they are opening slots for elderly / vulnerable today before they are available generally. Everything up to Friday 3rd is marked fully booked, and everything after that is unavailable - going through to early June. If I log on with my email, I don't even see slot booking, just a message to say elderly and vulnerable have priority. I think they may still be getting the system working, hopefully he can get a slot for w/c 6th April, otherwise it's out to the shops.
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I got that email around 11 this morning but did not notice it, when I checked availability 2 hours later there was still a slot left for Monday 30th.
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..... and threat of stricter lockdown.
Just tried to find something about this, but couldn't. What have you heard, and where?
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I had a Waitrose log in, but I was required to re-register.
I have done so, and received a 'welcome' email, inviting me to log in.
When I try to do so it says that my email and/or password aren't recognised.
I have clicked on 'request a new password' and have been told three times that an email has been sent, but not received anything.
What on earth are they up to?
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..... and threat of stricter lockdown.
Just tried to find something about this, but couldn't. What have you heard, and where?
it was a ticker tape on one of the news websites I was reading at the time - all I can find now are these:-
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11275442/stricter-coronavirus-lockdown-measures-three-weeks-easter/
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8162053/The-crackdown-tougher.html
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The sun?
The daily mail.
Words fail me, try gov.uk for facts
Mike
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The sun?
The daily mail.
Words fail me, try gov.uk for facts
Mike
Quite.
Add - can we include the express in the list too.
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Good Afternoon All. Hope you and your families are staying safe and well.
As I said it originally appeared on one the ticker tapes on a website I was using and now I can't find it.
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but what's the "half hour rule"? I thought we were advised to take our usual amount of exercise, whatever that might be.
Even before this virus, the powers that be suggested us older people should all do 30 minutes of exercise a day
Preferably outside because everyone needs to breathe fresh air and have sunlight on their skin to try to absorb vitamin D in order to avoid osteoporosis, Going for a walk in the open air and seeing nature is also good for mental health.
Guidance is at least 150 minutes of moderate-intensity activity per week or at least 75 minutes of vigorous-intensity aerobic activity or at least 75 minutes of a combination of both moderate and vigorous aerobic activity. Walking is a moderate activity as is gardening. Running, sport and climbing stairs are under "vigorous activity" in the booklet I have. "Walking briskly - This is one of the simplest and most effective aerobic exercises." Also recommended are doing strength-building activities 2 days per week (e.g. aerobics, carrying bags) and activities which improve balance on 2 days per week (e.g. dance, tai chi). Some other recommended activities such as gym aren't allowed at present. (Source: "Physical Activity and Cancer" published by Macmillan Cancer Support) Other organisations listed: Later Life Training www.laterlifetraining.co.uk
National Osteoporosis Society www.nos.org.uk
I'm prescribed moderate exercise + fresh air to aid recovery and resilience for ongoing treatment. Simplest way is walking. I can vary time, speed and distance according to how I feel and the weather. I was out for an hour's stroll yesterday.
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One of the sites *Sandra* linked to had a picture of Park Street, Bristol captioned Manchester, which doesn't exactly inspire confidence.
The threat is apparently attributed to "government advisers"; if I get on my soap box and say the government should do this, that or the other, please may I be quoted as a "government adviser"?
On the other hand, if the captioning on some of the other pictures is correct and crowds really are still flocking to beauty spots and seaside resorts that they don't live close to, and failing to observe proper distancing, then if there's no other way to stop them they must be fined or have their vehicles impounded. It would be totally unacceptable for their selfish behaviour to result in the rest of us being forbidden to take daily exercise in a responsible manner.
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The weather has changed drastically today - a sharp wind and hail stones. I am therefore declining my allowed /outdoor/ exercise and going up and down three flights of stairs, twice an hour.
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Notwithstanding my previous post, perhaps a suitable alternative would be for the irresponsible minority to be made to stand outside in the north wind and hail for a couple of hours.
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The weather has changed drastically today - a sharp wind and hail stones. I am therefore declining my allowed /outdoor/ exercise and going up and down three flights of stairs, twice an hour.
Cor blimey, you can say that again, its definitely got a bite to it today, very "bitter"
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Lucky if you can access a slot a week unless you already have them booked. I've just tried Waitrose who I've used for years. They are only reserving slots for people on the Government Very Vulnerable list and that doesn't include people over 70 unless they fit other criteria. Tesco has no slots showing for 3 weeks ahead.
OH got an email from Waitrose about an hour ago to say they are opening slots for elderly / vulnerable today before they are available generally. Everything up to Friday 3rd is marked fully booked, and everything after that is unavailable - going through to early June. If I log on with my email, I don't even see slot booking, just a message to say elderly and vulnerable have priority. I think they may still be getting the system working, hopefully he can get a slot for w/c 6th April, otherwise it's out to the shops.
But how do they know who the elderly and vulnerable are????
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Register if you have a medical condition that makes you extremely vulnerable to coronavirus.
https://www.gov.uk/coronavirus-extremely-vulnerable
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After OH spent ages more than twice last week and the tail end of the week before, trying to register for online deliveries with Sainsburys - we usually do a huge shop there weekly - and failing dismally, I'll simply have to go and try to find a quiet time to drive down and try and go round the store next week, as by tyhen we'll be getting very low on basics. Both of us over 70, but I've no problems, fortunately.
How can people register at all? And how could "they" in any case, know who was over 70? And if I go down and brave the virus-spreaders, could I then get my normal shop - a few loaves, a few bottles of wine among it - wouldn't that be better than limiting me? And if I do shopping for someone else, and put the two shops through on the belt as mine... pay... theirs ... pay, using my credit card, would they make me take their cake, or my bread back?
(And I'd drive back with all the windows down, just in case! Blow it all away?)
Confusion rules, okay?
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Interesting to see on the bbc that some doctors are saying that getting some fresh air and exercise
and staying healthy is the best way to prepare ourselves to fight it off should we get it.
I was surprised but pleased to see it is especially important for those most at risk whe are self isolating.
Mike
I take notice of Catherine Calderwood, Chief Medical Officer for Scotland. She will probably be on "Broadcasting House" 9 a.m. Radio 4 again tomorrow. Clear, balanced, common-sense advice.
My lungs are normally healthy. It's bad timing that the treatment I'm having is causing minor, temporary damage. In normal times it wouldn't worry me. I need to go out for regular walks and breathe clean air. I'm lucky that it's only a short walk along 2 quiet streets to the park. I can extend my walk to reach fields. A different route, crossing a busy main road ( I'm trying to avoid traffic fumes) takes me to a clifftop path. I won't go into town to walk on the promenade and beach because: the route can't entirely avoid main roads; walking there & back will tire me; there may be too many people around.
I feel sorry for people in built up areas with no easily accessible green space, especially those in high-rise flats. According to life expectancy statistics for my county, I potentially increased mine by 10 years by moving half a mile from a densely populated, polluted locality.
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I take notice of Catherine Calderwood, Chief Medical Officer for Scotland. She will probably be on "Broadcasting House" 9 a.m. Radio 4 again tomorrow. Clear, balanced, common-sense advice.
I've been very impressed by her.
Like you, I have some slight lung problems. When I was having CT scans for cancer diagnosis 8 years ago, they identified a small patch on my lung which they decided was an emphysema ?scar. It's not changed over the course of many scans but I get breathless occasionally.
I do not smoke!
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Its amazing the preparation at the NHS Nightingale Hospital, London, the pictures showing the scale of what is going on there. Rows and rows of cubicles still being erected. Ambulances, beds, ventilators and all sorts of other equipment still to arrive. Initially 500 beds equipped with ventilators and oxygen will be used to treat the seriously ill but potential to grow to 2,000 if necessary. Other sites being created around the country.
Lets hope we are getting towards the top of that curve they keep talking about as this pandemic reaches a peak.
Bless all those NHS staff, thank you to all those soldiers and contractors that are making this possible are working 24/7. Stay safe.
Sandra
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Lucky if you can access a slot a week unless you already have them booked. I've just tried Waitrose who I've used for years. They are only reserving slots for people on the Government Very Vulnerable list and that doesn't include people over 70 unless they fit other criteria. Tesco has no slots showing for 3 weeks ahead.
OH got an email from Waitrose about an hour ago to say they are opening slots for elderly / vulnerable today before they are available generally. Everything up to Friday 3rd is marked fully booked, and everything after that is unavailable - going through to early June. If I log on with my email, I don't even see slot booking, just a message to say elderly and vulnerable have priority. I think they may still be getting the system working, hopefully he can get a slot for w/c 6th April, otherwise it's out to the shops.
But how do they know who the elderly and vulnerable are????
They said it was from their records.
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Full official figures for today by nation and regions* here:
https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/f94c3c90da5b4e9f9a0b19484dd4bb14
* Upper Tier Local Authorities (UTLA) and NHS Regions
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but what's the "half hour rule"? I thought we were advised to take our usual amount of exercise, whatever that might be.
Even before this virus, the powers that be suggested us older people should all do 30 minutes of exercise a day
I believe it is to go out for exercise once a day, for one hour. Hence, if the park is 40 minutes walk away, you can't walk there and back in under an hour, so have to turn back after 30 minutes.
What's the source of "one hour"? I don't see it in official documents.
https://www.uk.gov/coronavirus
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/full-guidance-on-staying-at-home-and-away-from-other-people
"1. Staying at home
You should only leave the house for very limited purposes:
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One form of exercise a day, for example a run, walk or cycle, - alone or with members of your household"
Note: The document has the words "Full guidance" in the title.
Duration of exercise is not mentioned, only frequency.
I often go out without a watch so if I'm out simply for a walk I might not know how long I've been out for. Accurate timekeeping has never been my thing. I judge by the sun, sky, weather, how far & fast I've walked, how much energy I have &c. My walks are supposed to improve physical & mental health. I'm already anxious when I'm out about "social distancing". Having to keep checking my watch (if I remember to put it on) will add to anxiety. I was very calm, stress-free and cheerful until 3 weeks ago, despite a serious physical health problem. Various health staff, friends & acquaintances have asked how I'm coping/feeling/ mental health over the past several months and I always answered "Fine" because it was true. Avoiding stress is one of my ways of staying strong to deal with the disease & treatment.
I know people who suffer seriously from anxiety, depression &c. There's a mental health centre near my home.
Best things we can all do is heed advice, be sensible and do what we need to stay fit & healthy in body, mind & spirit. Fretting if our exercise lasted 10 minutes more than we think we're allowed won't help.
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Full official figures for today by nation and regions* here:
https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/f94c3c90da5b4e9f9a0b19484dd4bb14
* Upper Tier Local Authorities (UTLA) and NHS Regions
Hmmm?
Nothing for Isle of Man, Jersey and Guernsey ???
Even missing from the map :o
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Good Morning RootsChatters.
Hope everyone is safe and well. It is nice to keep popping in during the day to check and see that all the regulars and newcomers are safe and well. It would be dreadful to see us lose any Rootschatters to this awful virus.
Lovely to hear everyone's news and stories and lighten things up with sense of humour.
Stay Safe Everyone.
Sandra
Eight pages since I called in yesterday!
Chilly here today, no hailstones so far. :) Other than that it's just Groundhog Day.
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Looking at Sandra’s links, the majority of people in those pictures are the younger generation. Do you think that because they have been told the symptoms in the young people are mild to moderate, that they just don’t care ???
Maybe a better headline would read. Six feet apart or six feet under, your choice !
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When I walked the dog today on my local recreation ground there were 3 young adults playing football. The same was happening the other day.
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Looking at Sandra’s links, the majority of people in those pictures are the younger generation. Do you think that because they have been told the symptoms in the young people are mild to moderate, that they just don’t care ???
Maybe a better headline would read. Six feet apart or six feet under, your choice !
I do agree with you that the majority are younger people in those pictures. I did here someone on the tv saying "I wish it would rain" - then everyone would stay home. I don't think that is about to happen either. Maybe when the death numbers start to spiral they might realise that they could be contributing to giving someone the virus. Maybe there should be some sort of system to "fine" people in the extreme circumstances.
Sandra
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Hmmm?
Nothing for Isle of Man, Jersey and Guernsey ???
Even missing from the map :o
Think you're an independent territory (or something like that), Kevin ;D
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Suey, I agree with you to some extent and have no doubt that there are some who just don't care but I think the majority probably just don't think about it much because it's unlikely to affect them to any great extent. That just seems to be human nature, similar to all those people who comment that they're mostly old people who die from it, as if they don't matter. I think they'd change their minds if it was their loved one.
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Does anyone know - Are there any stats for what age groups have been affected ? UK
Sandra
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Does anyone know - Are there any stats for what age groups have been affected ?
Sandra
https://www.vox.com/2020/3/23/21190033/coronavirus-covid-19-deaths-by-age (https://www.vox.com/2020/3/23/21190033/coronavirus-covid-19-deaths-by-age)
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I wonder if going out to take photos of others is a legitimate reason to leave home :).
Mike
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Full official figures for today by nation and regions* here:
https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/f94c3c90da5b4e9f9a0b19484dd4bb14
* Upper Tier Local Authorities (UTLA) and NHS Regions
Hmmm?
Nothing for Isle of Man, Jersey and Guernsey ???
Even missing from the map :o
You are listed here
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
There is also a link to the age percentage... worldwide.
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I wonder if going out to take photos of others is a legitimate reason to leave home :).
Mike
It has become a national pastime.
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It does not matter how many rules or laws the government bring in there will always be people who think they do not apply to them. I should think that any member of the police, armed forces etc. could have predicted what would happen with the lockdown. One thing is certain however, we have seen nothing yet in terms of enforcement to what will come very soon.
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It wasn't the risks I was asking about- it was what age groups are the people in who have been affected (UK)
I see that shows in the I O M one.
Sandra
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It wasn't the risks I was asking about- it was what age groups are the people in who have been affected
Sandra
Did you read the link I posted?
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Thanks Sandra,
I am more concerned for my neighbour at the moment but I am sure we will cope between us ;D.
The delivery I have had was not bad though I will be asking for alternatives on everything in future.
I have been using S'sburys online weekly for a few years now and I normally don't ask for alternatives on anything but we can't afford to be choosy at the moment can we. ::)
Rosie, you are not that far from me. Let me know if you need anything x
Jenny
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Maybe some of these people flouting the law need to see what my son saw last night while on duty as a nurse, perhaps they'd do as they're told then.
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Our neighbours' 3 children have been playing football in the garden every afternoon since the schools closed. What worries me is that they are now kicking and throwing the footballs over the fence between them and the 3 children in the garden that joins theirs at the bottom. They have now kicked a football and created a large hole in the fence between them and are in physical contact with each other. They could potentially be passing the virus from one household to another. Not a parent in sight!! ???
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Oh dear, that's not a good scenario. The parents probably think its all innocent and nothing will happen.
Someone wrote yesterday that she had children knocking on her door to see if her children were going out to play.
Sandra
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I was really chuffed to hear on tonight's news that some of Italy's patients have been flown to Germany for treatment. Almost makes me regret Brexit. Almost!
I wonder why it hasn't hit Germany as badly?
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When I walked the dog today on my local recreation ground there were 3 young adults playing football. The same was happening the other day.
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We are getting cell phone alerts here twice a day reminding any Canadians returning home from another country (mostly aimed at snowbirds coming back from southern US) not to stop but to head straight home to self-isolate for 14 days. Perhaps this alerts could be used to remind everyone to only go out for necessities and exercising individually ...as all the young ones have phones they’d find the loud noise of the alert annoying and might heed the advice.
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The Chief Medical Officer for Scotland has been mentioned on this thread. Has anyone else been similarly impressed by their deputies and the Chief Medical Officer and deputies for England too as well as the scientific officers. They are the ones I've seen the most. I'd never heard of them before this crisis , but their cool, calm and clear answering of questions has been wonderful in my opinion.
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Well folk, I must have heard the Half hour rule somewhere!
Not out today,it is bitterly cold and I don’t do cold windy weather.
Sorted a cupboard out ,a big walk in one and found a box of lovely house slippers.
I always take shoes off when I visit,a legacy from living in Belgium where it
is standard practice .
I don,t take my usual slippers ,but posh ones that look smart.
Had forgotten the box I found today, black velvet, black and gold brocade etc .Usually for Christmas visits .
So I have been on the move and up and down stairs.
I am sure half an hour has been mentioned ,but no matter ,that is better than nothing ,unless a new directive has been issued that we oldies should go inside, stay inside and just lie down and die.
If that is the case the cemetery is as good s place as any.
Cuts out the middlemen!
Viktoria
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Frightening statement on the Government broadcast this afternoon that we'll be doing well if we keep deaths to under 20, 000.
Possibly you heard the half hour rule from another country Viktoria, where they have gone into the second stage of lock down.
"Michael Gove explained that “people can go for the standard length of run or walk that they ordinarily would have done” and emphasised that the important thing is that they limit it to once a day."
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I am sure half an hour has been mentioned ,but no matter ,that is better than nothing ,unless a new directive has been issued that we oldies should go inside, stay inside and just lie down and die.
If that is the case the cemetery is as good s place as any.
Cuts out the middlemen!
Viktoria
I’m planning on being cremated, think I’ll have a bonfire on Monday since I can’t go to the tip.
Viktoria, we must form an orderly queue to die, you can’t just choose for yourself :) :)
Mike
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Sadly Princess Marie Teresa aged 86 years, one of Spanish royalty died of Covid 19 yesterday.
Such a shame to get to that fine age and succumb to the dreadful virus. :'(
Sandra
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I have always been interested in the Irish Potato Famine.
The poor souls who having been ordered to ,had to remove the roofs from their little houses.
Then went inside lay down and died.
I might get to know first hand ,but if anyone wants the roof off they can do it themselves.
( It is that soda bread I made a few weeks ago! )
(( Oh and too much listening to Luke Kelly and The Dubliners!))
Viktoria.
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Sadly Princess Marie Teresa aged 86 years, one of Spanish royalty died of Covid 19 yesterday.
Such a shame to get to that fine age and succumb to the dreadful virus. :'
Sandra[quote author=Viktoria
That is almost as old as I will be in only 36 months!
Viktoria.
Viktoria.
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The Chief Medical Officer for Scotland has been mentioned on this thread. Has anyone else been similarly impressed by their deputies and the Chief Medical Officer and deputies for England too as well as the scientific officers. They are the ones I've seen the most. I'd never heard of them before this crisis , but their cool, calm and clear answering of questions has been wonderful in my opinion.
Yes, I've ben very impressed by them. They're a great antidote (sorry!) to the headline grabbing tabloids and all the c**p that's being bandied about on social media.
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Well folk, I must have heard the Half hour rule somewhere!
Not out today,it is bitterly cold and I don’t do cold windy weather.
Sorted a cupboard out ,a big walk in one and found a box of lovely house slippers.
I always take shoes off when I visit,a legacy from living in Belgium where it
is standard practice .
I don,t take my usual slippers ,but posh ones that look smart.
Had forgotten the box I found today, black velvet, black and gold brocade etc .Usually for Christmas visits .
So I have been on the move and up and down stairs.
I am sure half an hour has been mentioned ,but no matter ,that is better than nothing ,unless a new directive has been issued that we oldies should go inside, stay inside and just lie down and die.
If that is the case the cemetery is as good s place as any.
Cuts out the middlemen!
Viktoria
Some police statements have advised that people stay to about an hour out the house for exercise when giving general advice so maybe that's where it's come from.
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In normal times (remember those? :( ) I go to the gym and to Pilates. I'm not a fan of jogging so instead I've been making sure I get plenty of cardio exercise by doing a fast walk that makes me breathless. I get bored with doing that on the treadmill at the gym, it's so much nicer in the fresh air. The only downside is that it gives me a raging appetite, just when I could do without it! :D
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I wonder why it hasn't hit Germany as badly?
One theory is the number of critical-care beds. Germany apparently has 2.5 times as many cc beds as Italy. When the virus hit, Italy simply didn't have the cc beds for it (and, some say, reacted too late). I read a report in which it said that they were simply having to let the old people die - they were not being reanimated, as there were no machines to keep them alive.
The reports I have read say that Italy has large proportion of old people (but so do many countries...) and that the air quality in Northern Italy is a lot worse than you might expect. A lot of Italy's heavy industry is, apparently, in the north, so even if people don't necessarily appear ill, they might already have underlying lung problems due to pollution.
Germany reacted quickly, telling people to stay at home if they had even slight symptoms. Keeping the infection-rate curve flatter and having a lot more cc beds appears to have helped keep the death toll down here.
Vast amounts of companies (where it was possible) put their workers on "home office" duties. Even huge companies, such as the VW factory in Wolfsburg, have closed for a couple of weeks.
I was out with Woofer this afternoon, as usual, and I have never before seen so many people on the field tracks around the village. Walking, jogging, cycling... It's really weird. I keep seeing people I've never seen before. And the village really is quite small..!
The vast majority of people make a big point about keeping 2m away from other people. I think most people are taking the instructions seriously.
Stay healthy,
Karen
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Well, thinking ahead- I just did my online Tesco shopping.
BUT dates only go up to April 17 th,can’t book any further ahead than that so my shopping is out there somewhere ,floating in Limbo.
Clocks go forward tonight ,a bit darker in the mornings but light longer in the evenings.
Off for a cuppa ( second time use of a strong English Breakfast tea, I like weak tea but it is all I could get)
Just off to clean the kitchen floor,white tiles, I bleached surfaces and dishcloths and will use that bleach water plus a boiled kettle full of water for the floor.
I have not much bleach left now .
Cheerio .Viktoria.
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I've just seen this. I've not found it on other news sites so far, so take it as you will:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/mar/28/boris-johnson-coronavirus-outbreak-will-get-worse
We are supposedly all getting a letter.
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I did here someone on the tv saying "I wish it would rain" - then everyone would stay home. I don't think that is about to happen either. Maybe when the death numbers start to spiral they might realise that they could be contributing to giving someone the virus. Maybe there should be some sort of system to "fine" people in the extreme circumstances.
It may have been Professor Jason Leitch, National Clinical Director of Healthcare Quality & Strategy for the Scottish Government or someone like him. He posts a short video on his Twitter account each day. I'm hoping for a cold & wet Easter so that crowds won't flock to the beach.
Emergency legislation gives police power to issue on-the-spot fines. Police in Scotland and Northern Ireland have emergency powers from this weekend. Health Protection Emergency Legislation 2020 Scotland Coronavirus.
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The Chief Medical Officer for Scotland has been mentioned on this thread. Has anyone else been similarly impressed by their deputies and the Chief Medical Officer and deputies for England too as well as the scientific officers. They are the ones I've seen the most. I'd never heard of them before this crisis , but their cool, calm and clear answering of questions has been wonderful in my opinion.
Yes. Experts and civil servants. Those who normally work out of the limelight, unseen but vital. I listen and take notice of what they say.
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but what's the "half hour rule"? I thought we were advised to take our usual amount of exercise, whatever that might be.
Even before this virus, the powers that be suggested us older people should all do 30 minutes of exercise a day
I believe it is to go out for exercise once a day, for one hour. Hence, if the park is 40 minutes walk away, you can't walk there and back in under an hour, so have to turn back after 30 minutes.
There is no exact time specified in the official guidelines.
"People can go for the standard length of run or walk that they ordinarily would have done" (Michael Gove)
The following extracts were reproduced on a local Covid-19 Information website. Admins check for accuracy before posting and update when new info is published by governments, WHO &c.
Q. "How long can I be out for?
A. "There is no timescale on how long you can be outside for. However it shouldn't be for an excessive period of time."
Q. "Can I still go to my allotment?"
A. "Yes you can. This can be classed as a form of exercise but should not be for an excessive period of time. "
(Michael Gove thinks it "perfectly sensible to go to an allotment" and that the size of plots usually mean that people can be distant from each other.)
"Government guidance says that even when you're out exercising, you should still be minimising the time spent outside your home and ensure that you are 2 metres apart from anyone not in your household."
"Those who are heading out are advised to use common sense."
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I am more concerned for my neighbour at the moment but I am sure we will cope between us ;D.
The delivery I have had was not bad though I will be asking for alternatives on everything in future.
I have been using S'sburys online weekly for a few years now and I normally don't ask for alternatives on anything but we can't afford to be choosy at the moment can we. ::)
Rosie, you are not that far from me. Let me know if you need anything x
Jenny
Thank you Jenny, That is very kind of you. :)
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Just grateful at the moment that I'm safe at home in a warm, secure house. One of the houses in our village had a bad fire yesterday afternoon. It was an old cottage with a thatched roof, so as you can imagine burnt quickly. It needed four fire engines to put it out. Luckily the family got out unharmed, they've been on Facebook to let everyone know they're OK. So terrible for them.
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I’m one of the 1.5 million in England who got the letter saying that I was at severe risk from the Corona Virus and I have to stay at home for 12 weeks but I can go in my garden. The letter came as a bit of a shock, I’m presuming it’s because I had cancer treatment last year and have asthma. I live alone with my only relative 250 miles away, most of my friends are older than me (69). I’m the youngest in our block of 7 flats ( only 5 occupied) but we are on a very large plot so I’m trundling my walker round our garden morning and evening, 12 laps is about 4000 steps.
The hardest thing to take on board is that I will have to ask for help in the coming weeks which as someone who has always been very independent will be hard to do. Only another 78 days to go!
I’m writing up my maternal mother’s family history to keep me occupied but I got two families muddled yesterday with my George marrying Mary the girl next door both with father’s called William. Fortunately I sorted it out quickly,
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I'm hoping for a cold & wet Easter so that crowds won't flock to the beach.
I think by then the lock down will have tightened, as it has in other countries, and as I believe the PM is warning. We could well have to carry a pass saying where and why we are going somewhere and will have to show that if stopped.
If only people would do as they are told and stay in unless absolutely necessary further measures wouldn't be needed. It's the idiots who don't think it applies to them who will prolong this.
Very sad article here - perhaps it needs to be circulated widely so that younger people realise they are just as vulnerable as older ones.
https://www.theargus.co.uk/news/18342064.coronavirus-kills-heathrow-worker-daughter-sussex/
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New restrictions were announced in Australia this evening.
"Australians have been told not to go out in public with more than one other person while all public spaces including parks, playgrounds, skate parks and outside gyms will be closed from midday tomorrow.
Scott Morrison has told all Australians to stay home unless they are shopping for food, receiving medical attention, for work or education purposes or for exercise (which is capped at two people)."
Over 70s are "advised" to stay home.
It's not enough I don't think. :(
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A family member has now been designated as a key worker. He is an electrician working on London’s sewage system. They have been sent identity cards and paperwork to prove who they are, where they are going and why.
I have heard of someone today, a gardener, on his way to work, stopped and fined.
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New restrictions were announced in Australia this evening.
"Australians have been told not to go out in public with more than one other person while all public spaces including parks, playgrounds, skate parks and outside gyms will be closed from midday tomorrow.
Scott Morrison has told all Australians to stay home unless they are shopping for food, receiving medical attention, for work or education purposes or for exercise (which is capped at two people)."
Over 70s are "advised" to stay home.
It's not enough I don't think. :(
It’s better than doing nothing. How will they enforce it though ?
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I think there is is more going on behind the scenes than we relalise.
Grandson works part-time for a Security Company (usually as a Night Club bouncer ::)) but they are now recruiting for "Crowd Control" to back up Police.
Kim
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I don't know how they will enforce it Suey. :-\ Fines? Police patrols? Australia is a big place and anyone with a mind to it can easily avoid being caught out and about when they are supposed to be at home.
Yes, it is better than doing nothing, but for example to just "advise" over 70s to stay home I don't think goes far enough.
That sounds foreboding Kim ...
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I posted somewhere on here previously that my employer was expecting me to share a computer when I returned to work (they've organised a turn and turn about system.)
I sent the FD and MD an email letting them know that whilst the office cleaning was adequate enough in ordinary times, it wasn't enough now, and that their proposal put myself and others at risk. I'm a T1 diabetic, my colleagues had previously rubbished my concerns. I offered an option, asked them if they could suggest anything else.
They responded telling me to stay home until further notice.
I am going to be absolutely hated when I do go back.
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You did the right thing Lisa imo. I take it they couldn't arrange a working from home computer with access ? Sorry I can't recall what role you have .
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Is this the same job that you had problems with last year, Lisa?
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=813049.72
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A friend's son has just flown in from America this morning - he's at University there. He just walked straight through Heathrow.
"It’s so bad! They didn’t even ask me if I felt ill or anything. Considering I came from America which has the most number of cases, I'm frankly shocked. The one good thing is that they were enforcing the 6ft distancing, better than what was happening in the airport that I flew out of in America x"
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A friend's son has just flown in from America this morning - he's at University there. He just walked straight through Heathrow.
"It’s so bad! They didn’t even ask me if I felt ill or anything. Considering I came from America which has the most number of cases, I'm frankly shocked. The one good thing is that they were enforcing the 6ft distancing, better than what was happening in the airport that I flew out of in America x"
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I hope that's the shocked face!
Our son in law is currently flying a rescue flight from Cyprus . The previous flight he did was to Tel Aviv a couple of weeks ago and he was told that if there was a problem with the plane and they had to exit the plane into the terminal , then they'd have to stay in isolation for two weeks.( crew usually just stay on the plane on quick turnarounds. ) Daughters reaction was he hadn't got enough pants with him for a two week stay. ;D you have to laugh.
Hopefully today's flight will get back safely.
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Is this the same job that you had problems with last year, Lisa?
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=813049.72
The very same!
I'd need some extra software on my home pc, they didn't seem willing to go down that route. I'd asked if I could use my own office pc, there would have been a degree of separation between myself and colleague but no to that as well.
I shall just have to refer anyone with an issue to the directors, as they made the decision.
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A friend's son has just flown in from America this morning - he's at University there. He just walked straight through Heathrow.
"It’s so bad! They didn’t even ask me if I felt ill or anything. Considering I came from America which has the most number of cases, I'm frankly shocked. The one good thing is that they were enforcing the 6ft distancing, better than what was happening in the airport that I flew out of in America x"
Did they not screen him before he boarded the flight. :-\
Is this any different now to screening anyone who has travelled on a tube from London for example. I think now that Covid19 has spread surely it should be down to anyone who has flown in to the country to self isolate just as those of us who are resident have to.
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I'm hoping for a cold & wet Easter so that crowds won't flock to the beach.
I think by then the lock down will have tightened, as it has in other countries, and as I believe the PM is warning. We could well have to carry a pass saying where and why we are going somewhere and will have to show that if stopped.
If only people would do as they are told and stay in unless absolutely necessary further measures wouldn't be needed. It's the idiots who don't think it applies to them who will prolong this.
Very sad article here - perhaps it needs to be circulated widely so that younger people realise they are just as vulnerable as older ones.
https://www.theargus.co.uk/news/18342064.coronavirus-kills-heathrow-worker-daughter-sussex/
You may be right. Easter Monday will be start of Lockdown week 3. Catherine Calderwood, CMO Scotland, said in her weekly interview on "Broadcasting House" programme this morning that 13 weeks of restrictions may be needed.
That's really sad about the father and daughter dying. He was an airport worker and she was a pharmacist. I think she's the youngest person to die in UK from Covid-19.
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I have heard of someone today, a gardener, on his way to work, stopped and fined.
Where was this?
I intend to ask a gardener to do work I'm not able to. He's a sole trader who does gardens of several neighbours, some of whom are elderly and housebound. Another one-man-band will hopefully paint house exterior + garden walls and do necessary repairs.
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I have also been wondering about sole workmen coming to work on house or garden. There would not need to be any contact.
Also wondering about garden centres. This will be a considerable blow to them at this time of year. Would they be able to deliver?
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Also wondering about garden centres. This will be a considerable blow to them at this time of year. Would they be able to deliver?
One of my local ones that currently does some online orders looks as though it is adding bedding plants etc to its website, all currently showing as unavailable.
I have just placed an order with one of the 'garden centres' that is generally only available online, they just have one retail outlet which is currently closed. They will also be affected as they supply plants for the Chelsea flower show gardens.
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Our favourite local one is advertising a home delivery service.
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A friend's son has just flown in from America this morning - he's at University there. He just walked straight through Heathrow.
"It’s so bad! They didn’t even ask me if I felt ill or anything. Considering I came from America which has the most number of cases, I'm frankly shocked. The one good thing is that they were enforcing the 6ft distancing, better than what was happening in the airport that I flew out of in America x"
Did they not screen him before he boarded the flight. :-\
Is this any different now to screening anyone who has travelled on a tube from London for example. I think now that Covid19 has spread surely it should be down to anyone who has flown in to the country to self isolate just as those of us who are resident have to.
It's mandatory for anyone arriving on the Isle of Man to self-isolate!
A pompous a@@ flew in on his private jet last week and gave false name, address, DOB and phone no to airport authorities (presumably Port Police?).
Traced to his home address, arrested and is now in custody with his trial date set for 23rd April! ;D ;D
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Just taken by surprise - I thought I may as well do an online Tesco shop and save it until a delivery slot comes up, expecting that to be wishful thinking x 10!!
I've been checking availability every day but always none available for the 3 weeks ahead (they don't go beyond that). Did the same today - and lo! tomorrow afternoon had a few available! Nothing for the rest of the week, nothing for Weeks 2 and 3. The words 'feather' and 'knock me down' sprang to mind!
I know it will vary from area to area but I'm wondering if they've managed to get some more drivers rolling? Might be worth sneaking a peek for your area???
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I think it is possible some of the grocery sites are showing as unavailable in week 2&3 as they have not opened the slot yet.
Waitrose gave me access yesterday and I was offered a slot for tomorrow (Monday) the other slots on that day were marked fully booked. Following days were marked Unavailable. Today when I looked Tuesdays slots were also marked as Fully booked and following days were marked Unavailable
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We are to have Gold commanders, a trendy phase.
Tony Blair, who I never really agreed with, says test, test, test, so does the WHO.
It seems reasonable if you are fighting an invisible enemy to first find where he hides.
Mike
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We are to have Gold commanders, a trendy phase. To do what? Not keen on an army of little Hitlers marching up and down the street telling us what to do.
Tony Blair, who I never really agreed with, says test, test, test, so does the WHO. Roger or Pete? i thought they couldn't test, test, test because they don't have enough test, test, test kits?
It seems reasonable if you are fighting an invisible enemy to first find where he hides.
Mike
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I have heard of someone today, a gardener, on his way to work, stopped and fined.
Where was this?
I intend to ask a gardener to do work I'm not able to. He's a sole trader who does gardens of several neighbours, some of whom are elderly and housebound. Another one-man-band will hopefully paint house exterior + garden walls and do necessary repairs.
Near Heathrow. My husband is a gardener, he is still working four mornings. His clients are all in isolation, all over 80. They just wave through the window.
We are in a pretty rural area, last time we saw a policemen hens had teeth ;D. We’re just watching and waiting day to day, while hubby can get out and about he will.
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Has anyone seen the contents of the emergency food parcel, bit heavy on carbohydrates to put it mildly ;D ;D
Mike
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I am both puzzled and worried that elderly people who were not given much warning and so would not have stocked up and of whom many could not afford to do that are really going to suffer.
Many have no living relatives,and in some cases no close friendly neighbours either.
Some will be found dead I have no doubt.
Puzzled that the powers that be seem not to realise there still are non savvy non computerowning ,non bank card owning ,live week to week for pension and so cash shopping people .
How on earth can they be expected to manage?
I do not argue with the stringent measures being enforced but the directives are very ambiguous, stay in, then only go out for essential shopping.
My son yesterday queued for a considerable time in a spaced out queue , as a person left the supermarket another was allowed in.Went very well but at least forty minutes queuing,a very old person could perhaps not do that, it was biting cold and no seats .
Maybe a chair would have been provided and cleaned as trolley handles ,basket handles etc were being wiped.
It is an extreme emergency and we must be grateful for the measures in place and those yet to come , but many will suffer just because they are not
au fait with the means to help themselves , they could not afford a computer, had no reason to think things would develop so quickly and have been left behind and will suffer for it now.
Rant over.
I am off to make my watery porridge, with a sweetener .
At least the teabag is a first brew one .
Cheerio folks .
Viktoria.
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Viktoria there are many people out there who cannot comprehend anyone having life experience different to their own, cannot comprehend different lifestyles etc. When I asked how children without home wifi would cope with e-schooling I was met with incredulity that such situations existed for children.
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We are to have Gold commanders, a trendy phase. To do what? Not keen on an army of little Hitlers marching up and down the street telling us what to do.
Hi
Each NHS Area has a Command Structure to prepare for and deal with a Mass Incident.
They have been working to reorganise the Hospital Trust to make extra capacity for expected future Casualties etc.
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Please, please follow the Rules which came into effect 23rd March 2020
https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/pm-address-to-the-nation-on-coronavirus-23-march-2020
Mark
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Puzzled that the powers that be seem not to realise there still are non savvy non computerowning ,non bank card owning ,live week to week for pension and so cash shopping people .
How on earth can they be expected to manage?
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My mum is one of those people, has never had a computer, wouldn’t want one, wouldn’t be able to manage or operate one, much less order shopping online. She has a mobile phone but it’s very basic and doesn’t even send pictures, much less access the internet.
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My sons just come off night shift nursing Covid-19 patients...... Message to Mr. Johnson and his government ' Get NHS staffs protective gear sorted'
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Lisa, exactly.
I obviously just about manage , on my iPad and managed the computer for FH but very basic ,and my phone is never switched on,it is only for if I drop dead somewhere !
No idea how to take photographs on it ,etc.
Found ( oh happy day) RootsChat.
Went on numerous courses when working but gave up when the four year olds in Reception class could sort out my errors.
Even went on A Computer course for idiots.
Honestly ,it was no clearer to me than the click language of the Kalahari Bushmen.
My hand was slapped down so many times by my partner !
Viktoria.
Just heard a TVprogramme ,re expectant mothers having their babies alone
ie no partners there,and how traumatic that will be and what emotional damage will ensue.
Well that is a very modern thing,and I for one would not have had my OH present for any of the births, the first two home confinements.
I don’t know about me being distressed ,he fell down the stairs as it was when the midwife shouted to him to come and hold the baby!
I can ‘t see that midwife allowing any fuss whatsoever.
I just wanted to get on with it as quickly as possible and dignity goes out of the window, no, just the midwife and I.
Had it been possible for me not to be there that would have even better.
Viktoria.
I was nearly a mother and a widow ar the same time !
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Dominic Cummings, the prime minister’s chief adviser, is self-isolating after developing coronavirus symptoms over the weekend, a Downing Street source has confirmed to the PA news agency.
So that's the boss, then.
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We are to have Gold commanders, a trendy phase. To do what? Not keen on an army of little Hitlers marching up and down the street telling us what to do.
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Each NHS Area has a Command Structure to prepare for and deal with a Mass Incident.
They have been working to reorganise the Hospital Trust to make extra capacity for expected future Casualties etc.
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Please, please follow the Rules which came into effect 23rd March 2020
https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/pm-address-to-the-nation-on-coronavirus-23-march-2020
Mark
And therin lies the basic problem! :(
Too much management; not enough front-line staff!
How much money is wasted on"Command Structures" and other useless initiatives? :( :(
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Puzzled that the powers that be seem not to realise there still are non savvy non computerowning ,non bank card owning ,live week to week for pension and so cash shopping people .
How on earth can they be expected to manage?
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My mum is one of those people, has never had a computer, wouldn’t want one, wouldn’t be able to manage or operate one, much less order shopping online. She has a mobile phone but it’s very basic and doesn’t even send pictures, much less access the internet.
My neighbour (top flat) is one of those!
She is younger than me (just 60), but I usually do all her emails, bookings, etc!
Her email address is an alternative address under my normal email address ;D
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The gold commanders are nothing to do with the NHS.
My local authority master plan has swung into action, I have had the letter.
My local authority letter says in essence we are closing down and I quote “you must make your own plan,”
I am not impressed
Mike
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Meaning what as far as you can tell Mike?
Viktoria.
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Viktoria,
That is exactly what the letter says, this is the help the local authority can offer if you wish to self isolate.
Make your own plan.
Mike
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That's a shocking waste of time and money then to send the letters out if they have nothing constructive or specific to say.
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A bit like seeming to be doing something.
But, having said that, I don’t know what can be done really.
Phew!
Viktoria.
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I gather the Govt is doing something similar. A letter from the PM is going to be sent to every household. It's to cost approx £5.8 million.
The letter can be read on various newspaper and social media sites.
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A bit like seeming to be doing something.
But, having said that, I don’t know what can be done really.
Phew!
Viktoria.
Our local council has set up 3 hubs. There are coordinators in each hub and volunteers feed into these hubs. People can call the number if COVID lockdown/self isolation is causing issues. THey can arrange for someone to phone you for a chat, get your prescription collected, collect and deliver groceries, liaise with power companies to find other ways of topping up meters
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I gather the Govt is doing something similar. A letter from the PM is going to be sent to every household. It's to cost approx £5.8 million.
The letter can be read on various newspaper and social media sites.
What a waste of money - just think what medical equipment that £5.8 million could buy. I read it on line, and it doesn't say anything we haven't already been told.
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I have absolutely no idea what plans our local council has in place, nor whether they are doing anything to help any poor soul out there because they haven't told us a thing. Nothing on the local news and no communication from them. I only found out that they were stopping collecting the green garden rubbish bins because I went on line to check which coloured bin was due out last week.
I'm sure or should I say, I hope they have some plans in place and are doing something. It would be nice if we were told what.
Emeltom
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I have looked at my councils website to see what is going on. They have a page for Coronavirus and Council Service Updates, it seems to be quite informative. All bin collections running as normal at the moment.
I suppose we should be looking at these websites as the only alternative would be for the council to spend money mailing everyone.
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I was referring to a Department structure to deal with major incidents.
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I have absolutely no idea what plans our local council has in place, nor whether they are doing anything to help any poor soul out there because they haven't told us a thing. Nothing on the local news and no communication from them. I only found out that they were stopping collecting the green garden rubbish bins because I went on line to check which coloured bin was due out last week.
I'm sure or should I say, I hope they have some plans in place and are doing something. It would be nice if we were told what.
Emeltom
https://liverpool.gov.uk/
https://liverpool.gov.uk/communities-and-safety/emergency-planning/coronavirus/
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Thank you. However what do you do if you don't have access to a computer?
Emeltom
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Phew! Garden waste bin collected / emptied as usual today ... so I can fill it up with ( joy of joys) MORE WEEDS!
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Thank you. However what do you do if you don't have access to a computer?
Emeltom
I'm not sure about Liverpool, but up here there's lots of info on the local news - TV and radio - and in local press (free or otherwise)
Also, lots of neighbourhood groups have started up to try and identify and support those in need of help.
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My sons just come off night shift nursing Covid-19 patients...... Message to Mr. Johnson and his government ' Get NHS staffs protective gear sorted'
It's no better, apparently, in Wales where health is a devolved matter.
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Just had recycling and garden waste bins emptied. I must say our District Council has been very good.
I’m sorry to hear that some of you seem to have been left with no help, very worrying :(
We have all had a card through the door giving details of our ‘ Local Volunteer Hub’. With a phone number. The hub can help with, picking up shopping; not sure how that works in practice, presumably you still have to order and pay, they will collect and deliver.
Picking up medication.
A friendly phone call.
There is also a separate number to call if you are concerned for a neighbour.
Pretty basic but it’s early days yet. So, a big thumbs up at the moment 👍
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If you use Twitter have a look, search for Llandudno goats. They are coming down from the Orme into town. Some lovely pictures - if they're not in your garden.
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Just made a snippet on the main 1o'clock BBC news.
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News from Isle of Man - local company adapts snorkel face masks for hospital coronavirus use ;D ;D
https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/successful-trial-of-snorkel-masks/
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If you use Twitter have a look, search for Llandudno goats. They are coming down from the Orme into town. Some lovely pictures - if they're not in your garden.
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Just made a snippet on the main 1o'clock BBC news.
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It's on the Beeb website too:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-52103967
:)
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Does anyone know whether small family groups are allowed to play football type games on recreation grounds as their exercise for the day
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Does anyone know whether small family groups are allowed to play football type games on recreation grounds as their exercise for the day
As I understand it, though I maybe wrong, is that a family group must be all part of the same household,
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That's right Bee
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-outbreak-faqs-what-you-can-and-cant-do/coronavirus-outbreak-faqs-what-you-can-and-cant-do
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The trouble was they were not restricting their playing space and making it impossible for others to walk in the area.
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That's right Bee
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-outbreak-faqs-what-you-can-and-cant-do/coronavirus-outbreak-faqs-what-you-can-and-cant-do
No mention of going to banks as an essential journey. I had a cheque sent to me just as lockdown started. I would usually pay it in through an ATM using my card, but the branch is 10 miles away. I know it would be valid for 6 months, but I would like to get it into my current account.
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Normally when I receive a cheque I post it to the bank. :)
At the moment they don't want you go into the branch unless it is absolutely necessary
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That's right Bee
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-outbreak-faqs-what-you-can-and-cant-do/coronavirus-outbreak-faqs-what-you-can-and-cant-do
No mention of going to banks as an essential journey. I had a cheque sent to me just as lockdown started. I would usually pay it in through an ATM using my card, but the branch is 10 miles away. I know it would be valid for 6 months, but I would like to get it into my current account.
You can pay cheques into the main banks at post offices. You just need a paying-in slip.
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There are usually some payi-in slips at the back of the cheque book.
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https://metro.co.uk/2020/03/30/thousands-people-sewing-scrubs-nhs-workers-need-help-12477856/
I have read scrubs are needed to be made for NHS staff now. Anyone handy using a sewing machine?
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Can you enlarge on that River Tyne Lass?
Viktoria
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Certainly Viktoria .. I just saw that article and thought I would let RootsChatters know about it just in case there might be anyone out there who might be able to help with making these scrubs. There seems to be such a great need in the NHS at the present time .. volunteers, face masks and now scrubs. It is marvelous how people are doing so much all over the country. I can't say too much as I am starting nightshift soon and am now rushed for time.
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I rushed in— as usual,without reading the link.
Thanks ,will see what I can do.
Viktoria.
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Correct me if I am wrong, but I was under the impression that only essential workers could go to work, i.e. NHS, transport, Post offices and shops selling food etc.
I was astonished to see my window cleaner cleaning my windows just now. :o Hardly an essential occupation is it ???
What do you think?
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Correct me if I am wrong, but I was under the impression that only essential workers could go to work, i.e. NHS, transport, Post offices and shops selling food etc.
I was astonished to see my window cleaner cleaning my windows just now. :o Hardly an essential occupation is it ???
What do you think?
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-outbreak-faqs-what-you-can-and-cant-do/coronavirus-outbreak-faqs-what-you-can-and-cant-do
Section 1 point 4 says you can go out for work but only if you can't work from home. doesn't say only essential workers.
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Ok, thanks for that Lizzie, must have missed that info. There is so much information available that it can get somewhat overwhelming finding the relevant bits.
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I'd read something about this in the news that said it was okay for window cleaners to continue working. All the window cleaners must have read it, mine came yesterday too!
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Correct me if I am wrong, but I was under the impression that only essential workers could go to work, i.e. NHS, transport, Post offices and shops selling food etc.
I was astonished to see my window cleaner cleaning my windows just now. :o Hardly an essential occupation is it ???
What do you think?
If people can work safely whilst earning a crust and keeping the economy afloat, I think they should do so. I agree though - the guidance is far from clear.
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I've had notification from my window cleaner, who I thought initially was self-employed but I now find is a contractor. He states that he will no longer be knocking on the door for payment, and if he had to enter the house to gain access to the rear of the property then he would only be cleaning the front windows. Payment will be by whatever method we have agreed.
My gardener has already been to cut the lawn, and we have also agreed on a payment method.
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I agree the guidance is unclear, maybe because it is difficult to cover every individual circumstance, but the message is clear, social distancing, don’t come within 2 metres of anyone who is not living with you.
Mike
Added, everyone was social distancing in Tesco, queueing, one in one out etc, then when they come out with the trolley they are chatting away merrily in the car park.
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Building sites in Scotland are closed except for hospital projects.
Skoosh.
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This thread says I started it, which I didn't, I actually posted on the previous one. Having said that I know that once you get to page 20 you are supposed to start a new thread. Please can someone who knows how to do that, start the new one and close this one. Thanks .
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Just do a 'report to moderator' :) or send a PM to Trystan or Sarah.