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Title: Birth of Arthur Hunn
Post by: ESMAE on Saturday 28 March 20 10:59 GMT (UK)
Could anyone help please with parents of Arthur Hunn who died 1917 buried Cobar leaving wife & 9 children . He was 43 born Gulong .
Catholic . I think his mother was Mary Stableton b. Ireland . Iím not sure if she was married .

Thank you
Title: Re: Birth of Arthur Hunn
Post by: Jamjar on Saturday 28 March 20 11:52 GMT (UK)
14779/1874 STAPLETON Arthur Jacob mother Mary GULGONG

9443/1902 HUNN Mary father STAPLETON GULGONG

12489/1917 HUNN Arthur parents JACOB and MARY COBAR

Jamjar
Title: Re: Birth of Arthur Hunn
Post by: ESMAE on Saturday 28 March 20 13:10 GMT (UK)
Thank you so much for your help plus for explaining .

Realy nice of you

Title: Re: Birth of Arthur Hunn
Post by: judb on Sunday 29 March 20 00:27 GMT (UK)
You have probably seen the obit for Arthur on Trove. No information about his parents, but says he had lived in Gulgong, moving to Cobar 12 years before his death.

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/136910662

Judith

Title: Re: Birth of Arthur Hunn
Post by: judb on Sunday 29 March 20 02:07 BST (UK)
Arthur's second name is Jacob and on his death certificate his father is named as Jacob and he is using the surname HUNN so I'm assuming that his father's name was Jacob HUNN.

This is only a remote possibility but there is this obit in the  Alpine Observer and North-Eastern Herald (Vic. : 1916 - 1918), 31 May 1918
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/129519554

MR. JACOB HUNN.
AN old and much respected resident of Lower Buckland, in the person of Mr Jacob Hunn, died in the Beechworth hospital on Wednesday of last week.  Mr Hunn, who was a single man, was 84 years of age, and an uncle of Mr Arthur Ward. He came to Australia from England with Mr Ward's father, and after living in this district for some time, left for another State. Subsequently he returned, and has resided on the Buckland ever since.


According to this website (I haven't checked this but the website seems to have good documentation) this man died from "nephritis and senile decay", and he came to Australia in 1873
http://jwilkins.net/Wilkins%20Pedigree/f975.html#P2367

Thiis man is on the Electoral rolls as being in Buckland, Victoria,  from at least 1903.

I stress there is no real evidence that this is Arthur's father but is at least just possible.

Judith




Title: Re: Birth of Arthur Hunn
Post by: sparrett on Sunday 29 March 20 07:40 BST (UK)
I wonder if this is the right Mary STAPLETON in 1873
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/162658784

Possibly your Mary HUNN reported has having pneumonia in 1902
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/14515606

Sue
Title: Re: Birth of Arthur Hunn
Post by: sparrett on Sunday 29 March 20 07:57 BST (UK)
One Jacob HUNN was in Bathurst Gaol for 12 months. He was a sawyer and charged with stealing.
Born in United States and could read and write.

Jacob Hunn
Age at Trial-29
Birth Year-abt 1839
Commit or Trial Date-30 Sep 1868
Court Place-Bathurst, New South Wales, Australia

He was of stout build and good health according to the record.

Sue
Title: Re: Birth of Arthur Hunn
Post by: sparrett on Sunday 29 March 20 08:10 BST (UK)
A little more on the crime above-

New South Wales Police Gazette and Weekly Record of Crime (Sydney : 1860 - 1930)
Wed 22 Jul 1868

Jacob Hunn and Samuel Cookman, charged with stealing a purse and ring from the person of Jane Potts, has been arrested by Sergeant Keenan, Grenfell Police. Committed for trial; bail allowed.


Sue
Title: Re: Birth of Arthur Hunn
Post by: ESMAE on Sunday 29 March 20 08:13 BST (UK)
Thank so much for all information ,
Jacob couldnít have married as was already married in England leaving wife & 7 children . I believe he was the man that was put in prison for stealing purse ( no proof ) His nephew was Ward but I donít think he realy knew his past . My quest was to see if Arthur could be Jacob son .

You have all been realy great cannot thank you enough .
Title: Re: Birth of Arthur Hunn
Post by: sparrett on Sunday 29 March 20 08:30 BST (UK)
Thank so much for all information ,
Jacob couldnít have married as was already married in England leaving wife & 7 children .


The prison records states he was born in USA.

Do you have a census record relating to the wife in England?
Sue
Title: Re: Birth of Arthur Hunn
Post by: ESMAE on Sunday 29 March 20 08:45 BST (UK)
Yes but I donít know how to show she  lived acle Norfolk uk Jane Hunn Nee Drake .

Looks like Iím wrong on Jacob stealing purse . Still got to keep checking and rechecking . Thank you for that cannot access records so realy nice of you .
Title: Re: Birth of Arthur Hunn
Post by: judb on Sunday 29 March 20 09:28 BST (UK)
There are some on-line trees which give Arthur's father as the Jacob HUNN who died in Victoria in 1918.

The trees suggest that he is the same Jacob HUNN who came from Acle, Norfolk, and was married to Jane DRAKE.

However I can see no actual evidence for the connection.

Judith
Title: Re: Birth of Arthur Hunn
Post by: ESMAE on Sunday 29 March 20 09:52 BST (UK)
Thank you Judith . All the replyís have food for thought for finding Jacobs life in Australia & never to return to his children or that any of them wanted to follow him .
Many thanks Judith & Sue & Jamjar
Title: Re: Birth of Arthur Hunn
Post by: wivenhoe on Sunday 29 March 20 10:39 BST (UK)

Police Gazette New South Wales   6 Oct 1869
Prisoners Discharged Free
HUNN Jacob ....stealing....12 months hard labour
tried 30 Sep 1868 Bathurst
native place London.....sawyer.....born 1839
"Champion of the Seas"  1861
Title: Re: Birth of Arthur Hunn
Post by: ESMAE on Sunday 29 March 20 11:29 BST (UK)
Thank you wivenhoe
Title: Re: Birth of Arthur Hunn
Post by: judb on Monday 30 March 20 01:03 BST (UK)
Some inconsistencies - hardly surprising if this is one man who seemed to keep his life in separate parts.

Summing up, these criminal reports would seem to be the same man,albeit with different place of birth.

Police Gazette New South Wales   6 Oct 1869 (quoted by Wivenhoe)
Prisoners Discharged Free
HUNN Jacob ....stealing....12 months hard labour, tried 30 Sep 1868 Bathurst, discharged by 6 Oct 1869
native place London.....sawyer.....born 1839
"Champion of the Seas"  1861

Champion of the Seas arrived Melbourne, July 1861 with over 300 unassisted immigrants.  I couldn't see his name on the passenger list.

from New South Wales, Australia, Criminal Court Records, Court of Criminal Jurisdiction Returns of Prisoners in Gaol, found by Sue
Bathurst Gaol, 31 December 1868, Jacob HUNN,
born United States, sawyer, can read and write, stout build in good health.

The Jacob HUNN who died in Victoria 1918 had a sister Harriet WARD who lived in the same area.  Esmae, you said there was a nephew surname WARD - do you have any further information? The man who died in Victoria had nephews with surname WARD.

Judith



Title: Re: Birth of Arthur Hunn
Post by: ESMAE on Monday 30 March 20 07:17 BST (UK)
Thanks Judith , yes Jacobs sisters both married Ward brothers . His nephew wrote a piece upon his death saying more or less what a good man he was . I have all information on family , but Jacob wasnít single or a gentleman .
I have information on all family apart from Arthur wether he was Jacobs & Mary Stableton .
Son & Jacob returning from NSW to his Ward Family . You realy have helped . Thank you .
Title: Re: Birth of Arthur Hunn
Post by: sparrett on Monday 30 March 20 08:08 BST (UK)
You say you doubt his WARD relatives knew his background.

Was one of them the informant on his Victorian Death Certificate?

Was there any indication of how long he had been in any of the states in Victoria on the certificate?

Sue
Title: Re: Birth of Arthur Hunn
Post by: ESMAE on Monday 30 March 20 08:21 BST (UK)
Yes Sue it was , his death cert. stares 20 yrs in Victoria & 25 yrs in Queensland NSW . Arthur Ward placed Obituary 31May 1918 in Alphine Obsever . This was sent to me by a Ward researcher .
Title: Re: Birth of Arthur Hunn
Post by: judb on Tuesday 31 March 20 07:41 BST (UK)
So it seems to me that we are really no nearer to 'proving' the origins of Arthur's father.

I think I've already made these observations but perhaps others may comment.

We have a Jacob HUNN who was in Bathurst gaol in 1868/9 and whose birthplace is given as USA in one document and London in another; occupation sawyer.  This man's birthdate is given as approximately 1839. One document states he arrived 1861, per Champion of the Seas but his name doesn't seem to be ion the passenger list.

We also have a Jacob HUNN, died 1918 in Victoria, having started in Victoria and spending time in NSW, before returning to Victoria according to his obituary, written by his nephew.  His death certificate states that he was a total of 45 years in Victoria, NSW and Qld so arriving in Australia about 1873. This man was related to the WARD family.  An online-tree has information about this man, much of it from verifiable sources. There seems no record of this  man's immigration. He is with his wife, Jane, in Acle, Norfolk in any census. In 1871 Jane is still recorded as being married and living with her father.  The youngest child is aged 8 months so the child would probably have been conceived Oct/Nov 1869 - census taken 1 April 1871. If this is so then it would be cutting it very fine for him to return to England to father this child as he was not released from Bathurst gaol until October 6, 1869

Did your Arthur HUNN have contact with the Victorian Jacob?  If he did then that would seem to show that the family recognised a relationship between them.

Would be very interested in hearing from others re this thought.  Arithmetic was never my strong point so perhaps I've got my sums wrong.


Title: Re: Birth of Arthur Hunn
Post by: ESMAE on Tuesday 31 March 20 08:16 BST (UK)
Iíve been over & over dates . The last child born in England to Jacobs wife was not his . Two reason 1. Not on birth certificate 2 not mentioned in his fathers will .
Have not found him on census either or how he travelled to Australia . Yet the wards passage is documented . His father died 1887 his will states he had heard nothing from Jacob for over 20 yrs or more . As you can see he has been hard to sort and track .
Title: Re: Birth of Arthur Hunn
Post by: judb on Tuesday 31 March 20 08:18 BST (UK)
Back to square 1 then.    :)

Whose will is it that you have?

Judith
Title: Re: Birth of Arthur Hunn
Post by: ESMAE on Tuesday 31 March 20 09:10 BST (UK)
Jacob Hunn Father Joseph living Acle Norfolk UK . The wards first arrival to Australia 1855 Goldfinder
Robert came back to pay visit etc
1866 arrived back in Melbourne on ship Golden Sea .
However this time Robert & Harriet returned with their son Robert who was left with Joseph on first trip .