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Title: Joseph DOBB (or Dobbs).born 1863 Hucknall.
Post by: gracol on Tuesday 07 April 20 20:12 BST (UK)
His father was Joseph Dobbs (1840-1886),and mother Sophia (nee Spencer),(1842-1909).
The last record I can find is the 1891 census for Hucknall where he is single and a bricklayer.
From family stories he emigrated and became a builder.
I thought I had solved it with a Joseph (same birth year) who married a Charlotte in Basford and emigrated to Richmond Virginia,also with both parents with the same names,but came from Derby !
I cannot seem to find any further records after 1891,nor the record of his birth in 1863.
I would greatly appreciate any further information.
Title: Re: Joseph DOBB (or Dobbs).born 1863 Hucknall.
Post by: Kloumann on Tuesday 07 April 20 21:40 BST (UK)
Check this 1901 census entry

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XS7P-VFM
Title: Re: Joseph DOBB (or Dobbs).born 1863 Hucknall.
Post by: Kloumann on Tuesday 07 April 20 21:44 BST (UK)
Marriage to Charlotte Wilkinson 1881, Basford, Notts.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2DR5-WK3
Title: Re: Joseph DOBB (or Dobbs).born 1863 Hucknall.
Post by: Kloumann on Tuesday 07 April 20 21:56 BST (UK)
1871 census. Hucknall

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VRJG-8RM
Title: Re: Joseph DOBB (or Dobbs).born 1863 Hucknall.
Post by: Kloumann on Tuesday 07 April 20 22:16 BST (UK)
1930 census, Richmond, Virginia. Joseph Dobb, snr, Bricklayer. Immigr 1907

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:CZ4Q-4MM

(The entry should read Joseph Dobb Sr, not Sir Joseph Dobb)

Immigr Card 1907

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:2:77TH-WCWG-W?i=1065&cc=1921483&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AKF8Y-LLV

1907 passenger list

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JXXW-ZX7

Naturalisation 1907

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q2SX-5PCC

Son Percy's marriage 1932

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVM1-YFSM
Title: Re: Joseph DOBB (or Dobbs).born 1863 Hucknall.
Post by: Kloumann on Tuesday 07 April 20 22:25 BST (UK)
Joseph & Charlotte graves. Also son Percy, Richmond, Virginia

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/174734875/joseph-dobb

Son Joseph Jnr grave

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/34356238/joseph-dobb

Daughter Gertrude grave

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/174734777/gertrude-hart
Title: Re: Joseph DOBB (or Dobbs).born 1863 Hucknall.
Post by: Kloumann on Tuesday 07 April 20 22:59 BST (UK)
Joseph jnr & family, 1940 census Richmomd

http://www.archives.com/1940-census/joseph-dobb-va-7371046
Title: Re: Joseph DOBB (or Dobbs).born 1863 Hucknall.
Post by: Kloumann on Wednesday 08 April 20 09:30 BST (UK)
Joseph Dobb Sr death cert. Mother's name Sophia Spencer

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVR4-XWG2
Title: Re: Joseph DOBB (or Dobbs).born 1863 Hucknall.
Post by: Kloumann on Wednesday 08 April 20 12:33 BST (UK)
Annie Dobb's death cert, 1960

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVYG-H8MQ

Florence Dobb's marriage 1918

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X5BK-12F
Title: Re: Joseph DOBB (or Dobbs).born 1863 Hucknall.
Post by: Kloumann on Wednesday 08 April 20 12:52 BST (UK)
Gertrude Dobb married William James Meek, Upton on Severn, 1906 before they also emigrated to US.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2D8F-9H9
Title: Re: Joseph DOBB (or Dobbs).born 1863 Hucknall.
Post by: Kloumann on Wednesday 08 April 20 12:58 BST (UK)
Another child, Lottie May Dobb, b 1891, Walsall married in Plymouth, 1909

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2DF1-W6P
Title: Re: Joseph DOBB (or Dobbs).born 1863 Hucknall.
Post by: larkspur on Wednesday 08 April 20 15:05 BST (UK)
Baptism Hucknall Torkard, St Mary Magdalene
29 Nov 1863 Joseph son of Joseph & Sophia DOBBS father a stonemason

4 Mar 1866 Sarah Jane same details as above
4 Apr 1868 Sarah Jane DOBB same details
16 Mar 1876 Henry Dobb same details.

Birth GRO-   DOBB, JOSEPH       SPENCER 
GRO Reference: 1863  M Quarter in DERBY  Volume 07B  Page 405

Klouman--you can just modify your reply instead of posting 10 replies to the same subject....much easier to read.
Title: Re: Joseph DOBB (or Dobbs).born 1863 Hucknall.
Post by: gracol on Wednesday 08 April 20 18:15 BST (UK)
Many thanks for your replies Kloumann.Unfortunately this is the family I mention in my post,so many similarities but not my John Dobbs.
My John Dobbs in the 1891 census for Hucknall is single and with his widowed mother and was born in Hucknall.The "Virginian" Joseph Dobb and Charlotte married in Basford District in 1881 and in the USA records he was born in Derbyshire.
Thank you Larkspur for Joseph's birth record ,it's not on Ancestry or FamilySearch.Will investigate the other siblings you mention.
Title: Re: Joseph DOBB (or Dobbs).born 1863 Hucknall.
Post by: Kloumann on Wednesday 08 April 20 18:51 BST (UK)
Who is John Dobbs? You were looking for a Joseph Dobb whose mother was Sophia Spencer. I posted the death cert for Joseph in Richmond Virginia which listed his mother as Sophia Spencer & the 1871 census in Hucknall with his grandparents, states he was born in Derby.   

Title: Re: Joseph DOBB (or Dobbs).born 1863 Hucknall.
Post by: gracol on Wednesday 08 April 20 19:06 BST (UK)
Sorry Kloumann,had a lapse,John should read Joseph!  Apologies.
Title: Re: Joseph DOBB (or Dobbs).born 1863 Hucknall.
Post by: larkspur on Thursday 09 April 20 11:57 BST (UK)
Gracol, I would think that the Joseph that went to USA is your Joseph. His parents are the same, wife Charlotte. He is a bricklayer.The last known place he lived was Walsall and he is here on the 1901 census
Class: RG13; Piece: 2704; Folio: 184; Page: 51
This census says he was born in Derby but it also says Charlotte was born in Hucknall.
Hucknall and Derby are only about 18 miles apart ( There is also an Ault Hucknall in Derby)
He could have been under his mothers roof for only one night of the census.....
Joseph Dobb naturalisation record he states he sailed on the Carminia, arrived 11 Feb 1907. There is also a record for him on the Friesland arriving on the 13th Oct 1907.
Charlotte seems to have followed him on the Coronia on 10 Sep 1908 she has a daughter Florrie aged 8 with her.
Birth Walsall 1900 -Florence Sophia DOBB MMS Wilkinson.
Title: Re: Joseph DOBB (or Dobbs).born 1863 Hucknall.
Post by: gracol on Friday 10 April 20 13:26 BST (UK)
Many thanks for the reply Larkspur.
I hope he is "my" Joseph ! So many similarities.
However -the 1891 Hucknall census shows him as single.
Also Kloumann's post showing his death certificate gives his date of birth as 6 Feb 1863.
Would really appreciate your thoughts on this Larkspur.
Title: Re: Joseph DOBB (or Dobbs).born 1863 Hucknall.
Post by: Kloumann on Friday 10 April 20 14:06 BST (UK)
His birth was registered in Derby, 1st quarter 1863 which fits with 6th Feb. He was baptised much later in the year in Hucknall.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:26B1-KGV

No sign of his wife, Charlotte & children, Gertrude, Joseph Jr, or Annie anywhere on the 1891 census. They may also have been living with his parents but did not want to declare it.
Title: Re: Joseph DOBB (or Dobbs).born 1863 Hucknall.
Post by: gracol on Saturday 11 April 20 18:33 BST (UK)
Thanks a lot Kloumann  for all your replies and information.
Despite discrepancies,convinced this must be him who emigrated to Virginia.
Thanks again.
Title: Re: Joseph DOBB (or Dobbs).born 1863 Hucknall.
Post by: Kloumann on Saturday 11 April 20 19:25 BST (UK)
My pleasure, Gracol. Its good to get a thank you. Been a few recently, where nothing has come back.

Title: Re: Joseph DOBB (or Dobbs).born 1863 Hucknall.
Post by: gracol on Monday 20 April 20 16:14 BST (UK)
I wondered Larkspur if you could tell me where I can find the record you posted of Charlotte & Florrie's immigration in 1908 .
Cannot seem to find it on Ancestry or Familysearch.
Title: Re: Joseph DOBB (or Dobbs).born 1863 Hucknall.
Post by: gracol on Monday 20 April 20 19:05 BST (UK)
I cannot find the immigration records of children--Gertrude (b 1882),Joseph {b 1886),Annie (b 1888),and Percy (b 1894) from his Naturalisation Paper he arrived Philadelphia in 1909 Apr 4 on the "Friesland).
They all emigrated to USA thanks to Kloumann's posts.
Title: Re: Joseph DOBB (or Dobbs).born 1863 Hucknall.
Post by: larkspur on Wednesday 22 April 20 10:54 BST (UK)
I wondered Larkspur if you could tell me where I can find the record you posted of Charlotte & Florrie's immigration in 1908 .
Cannot seem to find it on Ancestry or Familysearch.

I found it on Ancestry- I just put in Florrie Dobb birth 1900 Derby in the search and it is the second hit.
Title: Re: Joseph DOBB (or Dobbs).born 1863 Hucknall.
Post by: gracol on Thursday 23 April 20 21:13 BST (UK)
Thanks Larkspur,I think I must have been searching with an S on the end -Dobbs.!!
I am working through Joseph Dobbs offspring ,many seem to have followed him to the USA.
There is a record of immigration to Philadelphia in 1909 which shows son Joseph age 20 accompanied by Hannah Dobb age 11,and further down Percy Dobb,age 10,Joseph & Hannah being described as his parents !
I cannot find any record of Hannah Dobb's birth in Walsall in 1898 (as her immigration record shows).
Any help appreciated.

Title: Re: Joseph DOBB (or Dobbs).born 1863 Hucknall.
Post by: Kloumann on Thursday 23 April 20 22:54 BST (UK)
The ages are not correct. Hannah is Annie. Look at the 1901 census for Walsall. Percy in 1901 is spelt Puosie. All down to whoever writes it down.
Title: Re: Joseph DOBB (or Dobbs).born 1863 Hucknall.
Post by: larkspur on Friday 24 April 20 10:49 BST (UK)
These are the only Dobb(s) births coming up for 1898 +- 2years at Walsall
        DOBB, FLORENCE  SOPHIA     
MMS--WILKINSON 
 1900  M Quarter in WALSALL
  Volume 06B  Page 821

   DOBB, SOPHIA       
MMS-- WILKINSON 
 1896  D Quarter in WALSALL 
Volume 06B  Page 783

Then there is a Lottie May in 1891
Title: Re: Joseph DOBB (or Dobbs).born 1863 Hucknall.
Post by: Kloumann on Friday 24 April 20 14:51 BST (UK)
The Sophia Dobb, born in 1896, died Walsall, 1897. Name was spelt Dobbs but I think it is the same.

As I posted earlier, Gertude married Wm Jas Meek before emigrating in 1909

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:SQWF-3T1N-9?i=2023&cc=1921483&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AKFD6-BTP

There 1st child, Wm John Meek was born 1910 in Richmond

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:HN45-DDPZ

Draft registration

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GYY6-3Q9R?i=2490&cc=1968530&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AKZDM-X35
Title: Re: Joseph DOBB (or Dobbs).born 1863 Hucknall.
Post by: gracol on Friday 24 April 20 18:03 BST (UK)
Many thanks for your replies.
Hannah Dobb was indeed Annie,confirmed in the 1920 census for Richmond Va.
Strange no record of Joseph Dobb birth around 1889 ,Beeston Notts area ?
Title: Re: Joseph DOBB (or Dobbs).born 1863 Hucknall.
Post by: gracol on Sunday 26 April 20 14:51 BST (UK)
Found Joseph Dobbs birth record on GRO-Shardlow District Derbyshire,1886 M Qtr,mothers maiden name Wilkinson confirms.
Title: Re: Joseph DOBB (or Dobbs).born 1863 Hucknall.
Post by: gracol on Monday 27 April 20 20:34 BST (UK)
Working through all these Dobb siblings who emigrated to the USA.
Could somebody help with the following--
Lottie May Dobb,born 1891 Walsall.Found a marriage to a Ernest William France in Plymouth in 1909.In 1923 Lottie May France arrived in the USA on the "Albania" with husband Ernest Rosier France,this is my Lottie as parent in record is Joseph Dobb with the right address,and born in Walsall.
I cannot find a record of their marriage,if indeed this is a different marriage to the Plymouth marriage ??
Several other USA records of Lottie May and Ernest ROSIER France.
Would appreciate any help.
Title: Re: Joseph DOBB (or Dobbs).born 1863 Hucknall.
Post by: Kloumann on Tuesday 28 April 20 09:21 BST (UK)
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/9528195/lottie-may-france

Title: Re: Joseph DOBB (or Dobbs).born 1863 Hucknall.
Post by: gracol on Wednesday 29 April 20 20:58 BST (UK)
Thanks for the reply Kloumann.
Ernest Rosier France's WW1 military record shows he married Lottie May Dobb in Plymouth,why middle name shown as William I don't know.
Of Joseph & Charlottes 8 children,6 followed him emigrating to the USA.
Another Sophia Dobb born 1896 died in 1897.
And the other ,May Dobb shown in the 1901 census as being born in 1888,I cannot find any record of.??
Title: Re: Joseph DOBB (or Dobbs).born 1863 Hucknall.
Post by: Kloumann on Wednesday 29 April 20 22:21 BST (UK)
May is Lottie May
Title: Re: Joseph DOBB (or Dobbs).born 1863 Hucknall.
Post by: gracol on Thursday 30 April 20 14:44 BST (UK)
Thanks Kloumann.
Have been a bit dim there,although GRO record shows her birth as 1891,not 1888 as census.
Title: Re: Joseph DOBB (or Dobbs).born 1863 Hucknall.
Post by: gracol on Thursday 30 April 20 18:13 BST (UK)
Kloumann,ref your reply no 17 I have searched but cannot find any record in the 1891 census of his wife or three children.His declaration in that census that he is single and no family shown with him, all seems rather suspicious.
His grandfather a Joseph Dobbs was a bit of a lad, using an alias, Morton, and spending time in prison.
Title: Re: Joseph DOBB (or Dobbs).born 1863 Hucknall.
Post by: Kloumann on Thursday 30 April 20 18:28 BST (UK)
It was quite common for names to be left off the census if there were too many people living in a smallish property.
One of my ancestors did the same thing to avoid being re-housed.
Title: Re: Joseph DOBB (or Dobbs).born 1863 Hucknall.
Post by: gracol on Friday 01 May 20 17:45 BST (UK)
That surprises me,I had assumed people gave honest answers in fear of some sort of comeback if found out they were not being truthful.
Looked on the web ,but little of any relevance.
Interesting.