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Just caught on TV, backlash now things are easing up inChina.
Reactions against the traditional “ medicine”,and the markets that sell animals for food, slaughtered on the spot in front of your very eyes.
The camera just got a shot inside and there in a cage ,far too small but a cage anyway was a dog !
It seems now many people are re thinking this, so if the Chinese themselves are now aware then what people said at the start but were shot down for saying it may have more than a grain of truth in it.
I would hate an idiot like Donald Trump to be right ,but it seems there is more than a passing chance he will be., - by chance !
The main thing is China itself seems to have realised.
Too late now but if the horrendous trade in animals in China is halted then some good will have come out of this, not only for the animals but possibly
so no other virus of this nature can cause another pandemic.
As usual I caught the end of the article and hope to get more info later .
Viktoria.
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If you have time on your hands, this is worth a read:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/ng-interactive/2020/apr/08/coronavirus-100-days-that-changed-the-world
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By the way, are you ready for tonight's (pink) super moon?.
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https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=828408.msg6926864#msg6926864
Moon walk
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I awoke about four this morning, saw my kitchen was lit up and thought I'd left the kitchen light on last night.
Walked into the kitchen, the electric light wasn't on but the extremely bright, large, full moon was shining directly into the room
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I missed it last night so am glad I have another chance to see it.
Viktoria.
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Just caught on TV, backlash now things are easing up inChina.
Reactions against the traditional “ medicine”,and the markets that sell animals for food, slaughtered on the spot in front of your very eyes.
The camera just got a shot inside and there in a cage ,far too small but a cage anyway was a dog !
It seems now many people are re thinking this, so if the Chinese themselves are now aware then what people said at the start but were shot down for saying it may have more than a grain of truth in it.
Viktoria.
I fervently hope that the Chinese change their attitude to medicines using bits of animals as the cure all.
I think that that country was closed off when the UK experienced BSE in cattle = Bovine spongiform encephalopathy (BSE), commonly known as "mad cow disease".
This was caused by UK cattle feed companies importing from India and which included old bones, could be either animal or human (ground up) and leather found along the banks of the River Ganges. We now know this is where the disease eminated. As we all know the Ganges is far from the cleanest river and carries the bodies of the dead.
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The moon was lovely, a rare and precious thing in the present uncertainty.
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By the way, are you ready for tonight's (pink) super moon?.
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https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=828408.msg6926864#msg6926864
Moon walk
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Hi Gadget
I love your moon picture too :) :D Thank you
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This afternoon - Boris Johnson is sat up and engaging with his Medical Team.
Take care all, Mark
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Heard in today's IoM Press Briefing that we should be gettingour own test centre on stream next week.
Currently, all tests have to be sent to UK.
Tests back so far: 1541
Tests awaiting results: 283
Confirmed cases: 158
Presumed recovered: 82 (That's a WHO benchmark!)
Hospital admissions: 7
Plus another 22 in hospital waiting for results.
Still just the 1 death.
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So much for me seeing the super moon. I was fast asleep at the time it was said to be at its best. Maybe tomorrow morning, if I can wake early.
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Just a thought (ouch). Since "social distancing" was introduced I have seen reporters interviewing people on the television with their microphones on extension poles, thus enabling the interviewer and interviewee to be at least 6' plus apart. However, the microphone is usually with a few of feet of the interviewee and held at around thigh(ish) height.
It occurred to me that the microphone is not "socially distanced" and may possibly be contaminated with saliva spray from the interviewee, especially the furry cover they sometimes use. What happens when the interview is over and the technicians have to deal with the equipment?
Just a thought.
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Nearly forgot - here in Wales "lockdown" has already been extended by the Welsh government.
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What was that the Gov keeps telling us?
Stay at Home?
Social Distancing?
https://www.devonlive.com/news/local-news/fury-convoy-caravans-dog-involved-4032319
What a bunch of morons! >:(
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Perhaps insurance companies need to step in and say that for the time being your car insurance only covers essential journeys - i.e for food, medical or work. So if you have an accident, or are stopped by the police, whilst doing anything but these, you count as uninsured and can have your car taken away as well as being fined. Might make people think a bit more.
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I think that would be very difficult to administer, most people would just say that they were going to the supermarket.
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I think that would be very difficult to administer, most people would just say that they were going to the supermarket.
Not if they were caught 20 miles in the opposite direction!
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I’ve today been told I must do a twenty mile round trip to the “clean” surgery, for my routine blood test.
Seems I stay in the car park and stick my arm thro the window.
Mike
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I think that would be very difficult to administer, most people would just say that they were going to the supermarket.
Not if they were caught 20 miles in the opposite direction!
Or completly outwith opening times. I think it is a good idea tbh although I can forsee issues, you know what insurance companies are like for trying to avoid payouts. My local council took a while to decide whether I counted as a proper keyworker or not so I can see insurance doing the same.
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The thing is, sometimes the people judging others are often popping into their local shop getting a newspaper thinking there's nowt wrong with it.
The problem being is the "What's the harm in it?" attitude.
If the general population stay home and only go out for essential food or medicine, and as seldom as possible, and only when essential; go out otherwise only for one form of exercise (walking, running, cycling) in your locality, when passing people keeping a social distance of at least 2 metres (6ft), then the risks are massively minimised.
Any time any of these things are ignored or skewed in any way is when the virus can capitalize on it and transfer from host to victim and onwards.
In one day, today, I have seen one builder, a very sociable one in our area, in very close proximity today with five groups of people. In one case a woman was rubbing suncream (I presume) into his face and his workmate, then rubbing the excess on herself. All these groups of people are known to us, not daft or stupid, but unfortunately through natural human behaviour, lapse into forgetting the current situation briefly.
If we all abided to the instructions then we would be in a much safer place.
The devil is the "What's the harm in it?"
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What was that the Gov keeps telling us?
Stay at Home?
Social Distancing?
https://www.devonlive.com/news/local-news/fury-convoy-caravans-dog-involved-4032319
What a bunch of morons! >:(
It is very easy to judge without knowing the facts.
Could the convoy be travellers who have been threatened with action if they did not move from where they were staying before?
Could the caravan that overturned belong to a family going to a funeral who had thought of others and decided to stop in their own caravan rather than at a hotel and possibly out the hotel staff at risk?
There are hundreds of reasons for having to move but instead people prefer to take the easy option and be judgemental.
That helps no one!
Cheers
Guy
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This isn't a political question but a practical one. Have seen on a news article think it was on sky news app on my phone that Australia have far fewer deaths than the uk and many other countries. The article said part of the reason was where Australia was located in the world, that they had more time to react to the virus and that they quarantined folk coming into the country earlier than others did.
However it didn't seem to say that the uk should have done X, y or z. As we have many folk in Australia on rc, what do they think about why they have far fewer deaths? I'd just like to understand better, not play a blame game or call for people to resign, as some of the journalists seem to go for.
Thanks.
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I hope my insurance company is considering a big discount this year as the car has hardly been used! ;D
Skoosh.
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This isn't a political question but a practical one. Have seen on a news article think it was on sky news app on my phone that Australia have far fewer deaths than the uk and many other countries. The article said part of the reason was where Australia was located in the world, that they had more time to react to the virus and that they quarantined folk coming into the country earlier than others did.
However it didn't seem to say that the uk should have done X, y or z. As we have many folk in Australia on rc, what do they think about why they have far fewer deaths? I'd just like to understand better, not play a blame game or call for people to resign, as some of the journalists seem to go for.
Thanks.
There was one theory that when the weather got warmer, Northern Hemisphere countries would see less severe symptoms and possible less spread of infection - like the common cold and seasonal flu is much less in summer. Australia would be warm in Feb and March, maybe that has something to do with it
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This isn't a political question but a practical one. Have seen on a news article think it was on sky news app on my phone that Australia have far fewer deaths than the uk and many other countries. The article said part of the reason was where Australia was located in the world, that they had more time to react to the virus and that they quarantined folk coming into the country earlier than others did.
However it didn't seem to say that the uk should have done X, y or z. As we have many folk in Australia on rc, what do they think about why they have far fewer deaths? I'd just like to understand better, not play a blame game or call for people to resign, as some of the journalists seem to go for.
Thanks.
Well it's hard to tell as there is no controlled study to compare approaches.
However:
1. There were no checks on people coming in on flights even from hotspot areas. There still aren't so people were going on public transport etc
2. Self isolation advice was very vague in the early days and many still don't get it eg I was told by someone who'd had symptoms "I did self isolate I went to the corner shop instead of the big supermarket" so we really have no way of knowing how compliant people were with the advice
3. They were still announcing there was no community spread when it was clear there was.
4. We have a low testing rate in the UK, I'd be interested to know the impact on spread
5. In the UK we have a high threshold for admission to hospital I would like a study to do a comparison between our policy and that in other countries
6. Our lockdown was relatively late in terms of where we were in the outbreak it is also relatively wooly in terms of how it is worded and has been enforced really unevenly so advice is not being adhered to helping spread.
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This isn't a political question but a practical one. Have seen on a news article think it was on sky news app on my phone that Australia have far fewer deaths than the uk and many other countries. The article said part of the reason was where Australia was located in the world, that they had more time to react to the virus and that they quarantined folk coming into the country earlier than others did.
However it didn't seem to say that the uk should have done X, y or z. As we have many folk in Australia on rc, what do they think about why they have far fewer deaths? I'd just like to understand better, not play a blame game or call for people to resign, as some of the journalists seem to go for.
Thanks.
One reason could be due to the fact there are two strains of Covid-19 the L-type and the S-type the L-type is suggested to be more aggressive. Both types seem to have spread across the world but it is possible if a country has more of one type and less of another the effect will be different even if the same counter measures are taken.
Really it is not yet possible to know what the most effective measures are to control the pandemic, that will come at a later time when all the facts are known.
Cheers
Guy
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This isn't a political question but a practical one. Have seen on a news article think it was on sky news app on my phone that Australia have far fewer deaths than the uk and many other countries. The article said part of the reason was where Australia was located in the world, that they had more time to react to the virus and that they quarantined folk coming into the country earlier than others did.
However it didn't seem to say that the uk should have done X, y or z. As we have many folk in Australia on rc, what do they think about why they have far fewer deaths? I'd just like to understand better, not play a blame game or call for people to resign, as some of the journalists seem to go for.
Thanks.
I suppose one reason could be the population of Australia is relatively quite small and widespread.
I read an article that suggests that the amount of virus you are take in may have an affect on the severity of the illness. There is also suggestion that genetics might also play a part.
Comparisons are difficult to make with different countries because its been dealt with in different ways. Being tested doesn't affect a person outcome after contracting the illness, but using the info more proactively to track, trace and isolate seems to affect the populations outcome!
I wait with baited breath the final outcome for Sweden and their approach!
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I think maybe fewer people per square kilometre in the populated areas, a lower population overall, and lots of isolated communities in Australia might have something to do with it. It is still early days though. We are a couple of weeks behind other countries so we have a chance to look at what other countries have done and learn from that.
The toll would have been lower if a cruise ship laden with infected passengers was not allowed to dock and the passengers disperse into the community. Several passengers from this ship have died. It is the subject of a current investigation.
Most cases are based in NSW and borders have been closedown prevent People moving from NSW to other states. Tasmania closed weeks ago.
Easter long weekend is coming up and it is traditionally a time for families to go away, camping and such so despite advise to stay home, there will be those who ignore this, and it may lead to more spread. Substantial fines have been introduced as a deterrent.
Our winter is coming up, weather is already a bit cooler, and although most areas don’t see winters as harsh as the UK, it can get cold, and there is always lots of colds and flu about ... so the double whammy of flu and coronavirus is a concern.
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Thanks Pharma .. your posts are always measured, balanced,logical and informative!
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The Scottish Government, after recommending vitamin D supplements to keep folk out of hospital, is being pressed by experts to go further with a supply delivered to every household for the duration of the pandemic. We don't get enough sunshine at the best of times & even less with this lockdown.
Skoosh.
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What was that the Gov keeps telling us?
Stay at Home?
Social Distancing?
https://www.devonlive.com/news/local-news/fury-convoy-caravans-dog-involved-4032319
What a bunch of morons! >:(
More than a "bunch" here
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-52221688
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Pharma, in your reply #20 can you please explain what you mean when you say:
5. In the UK we have a high threshold for admission to hospital I would like a study to do a comparison between our policy and that in other countries.
(I think I understand but just want to be sure)
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Pharma, in your reply #20 can you please explain what you mean when you say:
5. In the UK we have a high threshold for admission to hospital I would like a study to do a comparison between our policy and that in other countries.
(I think I understand but just want to be sure)
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People are generally being kept at home unless their oxygen sats fall below 90%, normal unless someone has a condition like COPD would be over 94% preferably more like 97/98%. Even with a persistent high temperature people rare not necessarily being admitted. I am not sure what criteria they use elsewhere but I'd be interested if it is the same or different.
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Thanks Pharma - that is what I thought you meant. :)
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The Scottish Government, after recommending vitamin D supplements to keep folk out of hospital, is being pressed by experts to go further with a supply delivered to every household for the duration of the pandemic. We don't get enough sunshine at the best of times & even less with this lockdown.
Skoosh.
Which is why you are allowed to go outside for exercise, even if you have to drive there.
Cheers
Guy
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No, you've got it wrong! Didn't you hear President Trump recommending zinc yesterday? I mean, if he thinks so, it must be right....
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I appreciate your tongue in cheek (I assume!) comment Jill and this is in no way a defence of the man, but actually the highly esteemed Doctor Michael Moseley had recommended zinc tablets in an article some weeks ago!
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The Scottish Government, after recommending vitamin D supplements to keep folk out of hospital, is being pressed by experts to go further with a supply delivered to every household for the duration of the pandemic. We don't get enough sunshine at the best of times & even less with this lockdown.
Skoosh.
Which is why you are allowed to go outside for exercise, even if you have to drive there.
Cheers
Guy
But you don't have to drive to go outside. You may have to drive to go somewhere more intersting, more beautiful etc but you can walk along the street.
The biggest issue with driving elsewhere to go walking is that increases the radius of movement of people. A virus cannot move itself, it is moved by people. Therefore going to a completely different area for your walk or going shopping several miles away (when there are several other supermarkets in between not when it's miles to the nearest one) increases the potential for spread and can seed new clusters in new areas.
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Sensible, competent thoughts and suggestions / information, PharmaT, you are a reliable source of commonsense and informed thought. Very comforting. Thanks.
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Guy, in Scotland you're not encouraged to drive anywhere for exercise, so walk. You're allowed to drive to get the rations in and that's about it! The National Parks are closed, the mountain bothies are closed & the Mountain Rescue teams are a skeleton only, so keep off the hills. The guys are away helping distribute food etc, to folk in remote places anyway as public transport is pretty minimal. Calmac's ferries are turning away non-essential vehicles trying to get to the islands. The west-coast fishery is closed pro-tem & the tourist season is written-off this year as far as can be forseen.
In Glasgow the parks are open for exercise but the car-parks have been closed by the Polis who are monitoring folks behaviour. Swing-parks are closed ditto the municipal golf courses & libraries. Easter will be interesting!!
Skoosh.
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Guy, in Scotland you're not encouraged to drive anywhere for exercise. The National Parks are closed, the mountain bothies are closed & the Mountain Rescue teams are a skeleton only. The guys are away helping distribute food etc, to folk in remote places as public transport is pretty minimal. Calmac are turning away non-essential vehicles trying to get to the islands. The west-coast fishery is closed pro-tem & the tourist season is written-off this year as far as can be forseen.
In Glasgow the parks are open for exercise but the car-parks have been closed by the Polis who are monitoring folks behaviour. Easter will be interesting!!
Skoosh.
Skoosh, Scotland is covered by the same law as England, Wales, and Northern Ireland, that is the Coronavirus Act 2020.
Whilst people in Scotland are not being advised to drive for exercise it is allowed.
Scottish Statutory Instruments
2020 No. 103
Public Health
The Health Protection (Coronavirus) (Restrictions) (Scotland) Regulations 2020
Is virtually the same as the English Statutory Instrument no 350
The relevant section of reasons to leave home is set out in section 5 below
“(5) In paragraph (4), a reasonable excuse includes the need—
(a)to obtain basic necessities, including food and medical supplies for those in the same household (including any pets or animals in the household) or for a vulnerable person and supplies for the essential upkeep, maintenance and functioning of the household or the household of a vulnerable person, or to obtain money,
(b)to take exercise, either alone or with other members of their household,
(c)to seek medical assistance, including to access any of the services referred to in paragraph 37 or 38 of schedule 1,
(d)to provide care or assistance to a vulnerable person, including to provide emergency assistance,
(e)to donate blood,
(f)to travel for the purposes of work or to provide voluntary or charitable services, where it is not reasonably possible for that person to work, or to provide those services, from the place where they are living,
(g)to attend a funeral of—
(i)a member of the person’s household,
(ii)a close family member, or
(iii)if no-one within sub-paragraphs (i) or (ii) are attending, a friend,
(h)to fulfil a legal obligation, including attending court or satisfying bail conditions, or to participate in legal proceedings,
(i)to access critical public services, including—
(i)childcare or educational facilities (where these are still available to the child in relation to whom that person is the parent of, or has parental responsibility for or care of, the child),
(ii)social services,
(iii)services provided by the Department of Work and Pensions,
(iv)services provided to victims (such as victims of crime),
(j)in relation to children who do not live in the same household as their parents, or one of their parents, to continue existing arrangements for access to, and contact between, parents and children, and for the purposes of this paragraph, “parent” includes a person who is not a parent of the child, but who has parental responsibility for, or who has care of, the child,
(k)in the case of a minister of religion or worship leader, to go to their place of worship,
(l)to move house where reasonably necessary,
(m)to avoid injury, illness or to escape a risk of harm.”
I would also suggest that any Scottish Court would take heed of the advice given by Matt Hancock (Secretary of State for Health and Social Care ) as elements of his job covers the same matters Scotland, even if they are not bound by his advice they would have to explain why that advice was not good advice.
Cheers
Guy
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I was just watching Sky News doing an item on police getting tougher on groups of people out and about and showing them in London last weekend moving people on who just seem to be exercising.
Whilst I know why they're doing it, I'm in two minds about this:
1. I can't help but wonder why - in 'normal' times - the police are usually not interested in responding to complaints of youths hanging around and causing trouble. Why the discrepancy? It seems comparably much easier to move the exercisers on than it does troublesome yobs - is that the reason? Too much trouble? This leads me to my second thought/fear:
2. Is all this over-policing stuff going to stop once the crisis is over? I'm worried it'll become the norm and we will be stopped and asked where we're going, what we're doing etc. I don't want to live in a police state, and I wonder why we're suddenly seeing so many police out and about (i.e. on foot) when they'd become a less common sight than Greta Garbo in her heyday!!
My natural state is to add humour to a situation but I do actually find this quite worrying.
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Guy, in Scotland you're not encouraged to drive anywhere for exercise, so walk. You're allowed to drive to get the rations in and that's about it! The National Parks are closed, the mountain bothies are closed & the Mountain Rescue teams are a skeleton only, so keep off the hills. The guys are away helping distribute food etc, to folk in remote places anyway as public transport is pretty minimal. Calmac's ferries are turning away non-essential vehicles trying to get to the islands. The west-coast fishery is closed pro-tem & the tourist season is written-off this year as far as can be forseen.
In Glasgow the parks are open for exercise but the car-parks have been closed by the Polis who are monitoring folks behaviour. Swing-parks are closed ditto the municipal golf courses & libraries. Easter will be interesting!!
Skoosh.
To the best of my knowledge Calmac are turning away anyone who is not local to the island or peninsula where appropriate. The exception being an ambulance or food deliveries. Locals are being encouraged to make the trip a maximum of weekly unless they've registered as keyworkers on the mainland. They have someone checking at the terminals. Just to clarify I have not been on a ferry since lockdown, nor have a tried to but I pass the terminal on the way to work and have colleagues who commute by ferry. We have lost our local bus service so our bosses have had to coordinate transport for those who don't drive.
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I watched three officers this morning chasing motorists who intended parking on the road near the park and walking in as the car park is closed. Police Scotland would make short work of this Matt Hancock! People are not permitted to visit their caravans/holiday homes for any reason, hence the furore over Scotland's Health Officer who had to resign & has to report herself to the Health Board for ignoring her own advice! I won't get anywhere near my holiday home until this is all over!
Skoosh.
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I watched three officers this morning chasing motorists who intended parking on the road near the park and walking in as the car park is closed. Police Scotland would make short work of this Matt Hancock!
Skoosh.
I haven't been stopped once on the way to work but my colleagues tell me that the police were pulling people over to check where they were going on Tuesday evening.
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Pharma I didn't realise you were a teuchter? ;D The Health officer resigning was a sad business, she was a good useful person and top of her game. She apologised profusely and didn't deserve the hammering she got online!
Filling your boot with messages won't wash with the Polis, if you're miles from home and potentially taking the virus with you. I can walk to the Coop & butcher so the car hasn't moved. Maybe Monday to the Aldi as I hear Toro Loco is under £4.
Bests & Slainte'
Skoosh.
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I agree with pharmaT and Skoosh regarding what we are being advised to do or not do in Scotland.
Perhaps if more people adhered to the guidelines issued no matter which part of the UK they live in we will be able to save more lives and come through this epidemic safely.
These people who are not listening and doing their own thing regardless are putting their own lives, those of their families, friends and the courageous frontline workers at risk.
No-one needs to take their car for a walk to exercise that is ridiculous. If you live in a built up area just walk round the block.
Dorrie
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Cheers Dorrie, I have ordered that Bruce book recommended in the National, it will fill a few hours!
Keep Safe!
Skoosh.
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Yes that book looks good might order a copy myself Skoosh.
Ma man is over state pension age and our lassie was giving him it tight the other week about still going out for his paper every day. Luckily we found a wee shop up the road who is delivering his National. Grumpy auld man now smiling.
Take care,
Dorrie
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When you're feeling confined and stir crazy, just remember what our ancestors endured. Some of mine were trapped for almost a month in steerage with a three-year-old and a one-year-old on the ship Victoria. It sailed from Liverpool on 5 April 1834 and docked in New York on 3 May.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01pay/
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Pharma I didn't realise you were a teuchter? ;D The Health officer resigning was a sad business, she was a good useful person and top of her game. She apologised profusely and didn't deserve the hammering she got online!
Filling your boot with messages won't wash with the Polis, if you're miles from home and potentially taking the virus with you. I can walk to the Coop & butcher so the car hasn't moved. Maybe Monday to the Aldi as I hear Toro Loco is under £4.
Bests & Slainte'
Skoosh.
Yes we have great fun trying to explain to new doctors from other parts of the country, "no sorry Dr we can't send Mr so and so home he's missed the last ferry he'll have to wait until morning" followed by brief geography lesson
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Some really interesting comments and perspectives on here so thank you.
Re our permitted walks, we currently have eight walks.
One is clockwise down the estate and round in a circle back home.
Two is the anti-clockwise of number one. The way we choose one in a day is which way is the wind blowing as to whether we want to fight into the wind on the way out or the way back!
Three is round the 'lovely' industrial estate which is very quiet at the minute.
Four is the anti-clockwise of number three.
Five is along the old railway walk - only walked if it's dry underfoot as it's quite clarty.
Six is anti-clockwise of five.
Seven is up the hill to the coop and the post office inside it and back down past the doctors.
Eight is anti-clockwise of seven.
;D ;D :) :)
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I'm lucky in that I have a large green space very close by where I can get my daily exercise in the fresh air. Last week I tried to order a birthday card and an Easter card online but they weren't taking any more orders. I had a couple of cards in the house that would be okay so I drove round to the post box on the main road, parked next to it and posted them, then drove home, I was out of the house a maximum of five minutes. I could have walked round there during my daily exercise but was reluctant to do so as the likelihood of my passing anyone at a closer distance than on my usual walk was greater. No doubt this would have been classified as an unnecessary journey but in my opinion it made more sense.
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@ Erato, R.L.Stevenson wrote an account of his trip on an emigrant ship from Greenock on the Clyde to Sandy Hook, New York, "The Amateur Emigrant!" you can read it online!
Skoosh.
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2. Is all this over-policing stuff going to stop once the crisis is over? I'm worried it'll become the norm and we will be stopped and asked where we're going, what we're doing etc. I don't want to live in a police state
And if the police were doing nothing?.
The police don't always get it right and they will tell you that. However, I'm certain that the vast majority of officers are doing their best in difficult circumstances and are not attempting covertly to create a police state.
Damned if they do and damned if they don't.
The police in Britain are approachable. Think yourself lucky they are not like those in mainland Europe etc., and they are by no means as bad as those in other parts of the world; witness the scenes of "lockdown" in other countries.
:)
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Thanks, Skoosh, I greatly enjoyed it. And the passage on stowaways reminded me that on my only ocean voyage [on a banana boat], five stowaways were discovered hiding down in an anchor chain locker and they were, indeed, set to work swabbing the decks. The captain explained that he put them to work so that they could not be charged with failure to pay their passage when they arrived in port.
"When the stowaway appears on deck, he has but one thing to pray for: that he be set to work, which is the price and sign of his forgiveness. After half an hour with a swab or a bucket, he feels himself as secure as if he had paid for his passage."
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I watched three officers this morning chasing motorists who intended parking on the road near the park and walking in as the car park is closed. Police Scotland would make short work of this Matt Hancock!
Skoosh.
I haven't been stopped once on the way to work but my colleagues tell me that the police were pulling people over to check where they were going on Tuesday evening.
Beachfront car parks have been closed by my council.
The volunteer driver who took me for hospital appointments last week was stopped by police on 2 days.
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Different country so some different restrictions/guidelines/laws, but we are being told to stay in our local area/suburb where possible. That is pretty clear.
Allowances are made for medical and a few other reasons.
I will be interested to see what excuses those who are caught far from home come up with over the Easter break. :)
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I watched three officers this morning chasing motorists who intended parking on the road near the park and walking in as the car park is closed. Police Scotland would make short work of this Matt Hancock! People are not permitted to visit their caravans/holiday homes for any reason, hence the furore over Scotland's Health Officer who had to resign & has to report herself to the Health Board for ignoring her own advice! I won't get anywhere near my holiday home until this is all over!
Skoosh.
Matt Hancock is one of the people who made and interpet the new regulations, the police go to him to find out what the regulations mean if there is any doubt.
You mention "three officers this morning chasing motorists who intended parking" how did the three officers know the motorists were intending to park and walk in the park, are they mind readers?
Are there parking restrictions on the road?
Could parking on that road cause an obstruction?
Was the park closed under a bylaw?
Driving for to a place of exercise is different from going to a holiday home.
Scotland's chief medical officer resigned (Her choice Nicola Sturgeon had already said she would not sack her) for going against her own advice not to visit holiday homes not for driving, they spoke to her but did not charge her or fine her. She was an adviser not a MSP
I will not be going anywhere near my holiday home either, but that is a different subject.
Cheers
Guy
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The Tory on Question Time last night couldn't have been clearer. Stay at home & exercise near home & do not drive anywhere for exercise!
How did the three officers know these motorists intended to enter the park? The Polis were manning the closed car-park gate till people get the message. So some folk park on the road outside, as they do when the car-parks are full. Fairly obvious really! they were sent home to think again!
As for the Chief Medical Officer, of course she is not an MSP, & has to report herself to the Medical board for a caution by the police, she lost her job & shouldn't have been driving to her home in Fife whether she stayed or not!
STAY AT HOME
Skoosh.
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I've modified the title of this topic, and of the board itself to make it less stressful for people who may wish to distance themselves from being reminded of this current situation continuously.
Trystan
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When you're feeling confined and stir crazy, just remember what our ancestors endured. Some of mine were trapped for almost a month in steerage with a three-year-old and a one-year-old on the ship Victoria. It sailed from Liverpool on 5 April 1834 and docked in New York on 3 May.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01pay/
This is something I have been thinking about too especially when I hear people complaining about being stuck indoors with their children. Early trips to Australia from UK ports could take three or four months, and when they arrived they would be quarantined either onboard at sea or moved to an offshore island for three weeks.
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Yes,sorting my Fam Hist stuff I was reminded of ancestors ,brothers and wives and their families who sailed to Australia on 1853 The Harriet,
Feb3 rd to May 3 rd or thereabouts then a month in quarantine aboard.
Four months.
A baby died and another was born during the voyage.
How did they cope with nappies ,washing etc .
And on a relatively small ship too.
Makes you think .
Viktoria.
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From what understand a lot of people are doing jobs they didn't intend to do, like me, I washed my car yesterday, can't remember the last time I did, gave me a good feeling though, sorting out, nowhere to take it at the moment, shredding, gosh I won't last at this rate, I will be exhausted, a couple along the road are decorating, we are also, well my husband is, so people do seem to be putting their time to good use
Louisa Maud
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From what understand a lot of people are doing jobs they didn't intend to do, like me, I washed my car yesterday, can't remember the last time I did, gave me a good feeling though, sorting out, nowhere to take it at the moment, shredding, gosh I won't last at this rate, I will be exhausted, a couple along the road are decorating, we are also, well my husband is, so people do seem to be putting their time to good use
Louisa Maud
Louisa Maud :o Slow down dear ! :D We’ve a long way to go yet. Says I, just starting on those drawers ??? you know the ones we all have, full of candle ends, odd batteries, paper clips, perished rubber bands, bits of string not long enough to be useful. I have found the lost button from hubbies jacket, except he no longer has the jacket ;D
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From what understand a lot of people are doing jobs they didn't intend to do, like me, I washed my car yesterday, can't remember the last time I did, gave me a good feeling though, sorting out, nowhere to take it at the moment, shredding, gosh I won't last at this rate, I will be exhausted, a couple along the road are decorating, we are also, well my husband is, so people do seem to be putting their time to good use
Louisa Maud
Louisa Maud :o Slow down dear ! :D We’ve a long way to go yet. Says I, just starting on those drawers ??? you know the ones we all have, full of candle ends, odd batteries, paper clips, perished rubber bands, bits of string not long enough to be useful. I have found the lost button from hubbies jacket, except he no longer has the jacket ;D
Oh yes, we've got ages yet, and lockdown won't be released all in one go so rest in between times.
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I've modified the title of this topic, and of the board itself to make it less stressful for people who may wish to distance themselves from being reminded of this current situation continuously.
Trystan
I appreciate the title change, thank you 🙏 After watching How Clean is Your House last evening I had a major wobble and sleepless night.
Feeling much better this morning, sun is shining, laundry on the line, drawer sorting underway. Coffee and Rootschat. Happy days... :D
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Well it being Good Friday today, in normal circumstances people would be crowding on to Holcombe Hill where there is a tradition( not sure how long a tradition) of rolling decorated hard boiled eggs down the steep hill .
The rolling starts just under Peel Tower,the monument built by grateful
people in memory of Sir Robert Peel ,instrumental in the repeal of the Corn Laws.
Often there are MorrisMen ,folk clog dancers ,one famous group ,The Bacup Coconutters are very traditional and have blackened faces ,a hark back to
the original name of Moorish Dancers.
Despite the warnings, advice etc to stay at home no doubt there will still be people who do not stick to the best practice advice.but
I would be able to see them from my front garden , but I shan’t look,it will annoy and sadden me too much.
What lovely weather , my very old neighbour is alright,I have just checked on her by phone,my children and spouses ,grand children and spouses and tiddler G Grandson all welll, sister too ( mind you I don’t think ,living in WILMSLOW she need worry -Corona Virus would not dare!) sister in law and myself .
Fish for lunch and possibly tea too ,of another sort,tinned tuna as eg.
Made a lovely loaf yesterday, trouble is I eat it!
Cheerio folks, hope your weekend is as relaxing and pleasant as is possible.
Viktoria.
P.S, Just laughed out loud for a half an hour, BBC Radio 4 “ It’s a Fair Cop”
Alfie Moor,ex Police Officer,always very funny but today!
Topic youths’ anti social behaviour in a shopping precinct by a group of youths ,gang leader Connor.
The audience were asked what their solutions would be after the many and various strategies by the police had failed.
One old lady, priceless ,short,sharp and to the point,
“ Castrate Connor”.
The laughter went on for minutes .
This programme is always really funny and at this time a tonic
I recommend it to you .
Viktoria.
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Yes Viktoria, that is the problem, eating to much, hot cross buns today, we are allowed those, it is Good Friday, hopefully will work it off doing the things I have in mind.
Just discovered paint can be ordered online , no excuse when my husband says he has run out
Disappointed I can't get seeds, perhaps online but it is getting late, might have to get plug
plants
Louisa Maud
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My local doctors surgery is open today and I cannot remember that ever happening before on a public holiday.
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The Tory on Question Time last night couldn't have been clearer. Stay at home & exercise near home & do not drive anywhere for exercise!
How did the three officers know these motorists intended to enter the park? The Polis were manning the closed car-park gate till people get the message. So some folk park on the road outside, as they do when the car-parks are full. Fairly obvious really! they were sent home to think again!
As for the Chief Medical Officer, of course she is not an MSP, & has to report herself to the Medical board for a caution by the police, she lost her job & shouldn't have been driving to her home in Fife whether she stayed or not!
STAY AT HOME
Skoosh.
By the Tory on Question time I take it you mean Brandon Lewis, Secretary of State for Northern Ireland, he did not once in yesterday's Question time say do not drive to a location to take exercise.
He did say that as an MP who represents a seaside constituency he did not want the public coming to the seaside to go on the beach, but that is a different matter that is due to the fact if one person starts sunbathing pretty soon there would be crowds sunbathing, as he explained after Peter Oakenshaw the Professor of Experimental Medicine etc., had said sunbathing would be good for people and harmful for the virus, but this was a totally different argument (or words to that effect).
As to your police comment in the post I replied to you said “I watched three officers this morning chasing motorists who intended parking on the road near the park and walking in as the car park is closed” You made no mention the motorists had tried to enter the carpark but rather created the illusion the officers were chasing random motorists who happened to be driving near a park.
If the park had been closed by a local bylaw then they were right to prevent anyone entering the park, if it had not been closed by a bylaw then they were exceeding their duty and in the wrong.
Your third point is totally outrageous and indeed slanderous, the Chief Medical Officer did not lose her job Nicola Sturgeon, the First Minister supported her and stated she had every confidence in her. It was the Chief Medical Officer herself who decided she could no longer carry on in the job.
She was cautioned by the police because she was flouting the Coronavirus Act 2020, not just once but on 2 separate occasions. It would have been different if she had been moving permanently (that is specifically allowed) but she was not.
Cheers
Guy
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When a Prime Minister or a First Minister says they support someone and that they have full confidence in them that is the time to worry. It is like saying to someone 'with respect' when you know and they know that you mean the exact opposite.
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Everyone seems to be finding lots of jobs to do around the house and in the garden. That should keep us busy for a bit. We need to pace ourselves so that we do not run out of things to do ;D ;D
I have been sorting out my freezer and trying to put it in some sort of order so that we use food up by date. Funny how "what will we have for tea tonight" has become a main topic of conversation in our house recently.
Gosh I thought I was the only one with a drawer full of "useful" bits and pieces. That will be on my to do list for next week. We have two garden sheds that need tidying too - on the list now.
Enjoy your day and stay safe
Dorrie
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Yes Viktoria, that is the problem, eating to much, hot cross buns today, we are allowed those, it is Good Friday, hopefully will work it off doing the things I have in mind.
Just discovered paint can be ordered online , no excuse when my husband says he has run out
Disappointed I can't get seeds, perhaps online but it is getting late, might have to get plug
plants
Louisa Maud
Have you thought of ringing local nurseries, my daughter rang hers, they were happy to take phone orders and deliver to the door! She got all her seeds, peas, beans and a rhubarb crown.
Our own local nursery are doing the same, I had some trays of plants delivered yesterday. Worth a try.
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Everyone seems to be finding lots of jobs to do around the house and in the garden. That should keep us busy for a bit. We need to pace ourselves so that we do not run out of things to do ;D ;D
I have been sorting out my freezer and trying to put it in some sort of order so that we use food up by date. Funny how "what will we have for tea tonight" has become a main topic of conversation in our house recently.
Gosh I thought I was the only one with a drawer full of "useful" bits and pieces. That will be on my to do list for next week. We have two garden sheds that need tidying too - on the list now.
Enjoy your day and stay safe
Dorrie
Q. What shall we have for tea?
A. 1. I don’t mind
2. You decide
3. What have you got
Has anyone got recipes for any of the above by any chance ?
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I have just read an article in The Times which says the Over 60s are the most active and the least lonely. It is good to know I am doing something right, my only regret is that I have to wait till tomorrow before I can go out for another walk, usually I walk for at least two hours every day.
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suey, why not try a combination of things what you would not normally have to together.
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I have put a P.S. to my last post but some may not see it and I recommenced a truly funny programme which had me laughing for the full half hour.
BBCR Radio 4 It’s a Fair Cop.Alfie Moor ,retired Police Officer.
He related the trouble he experienced with a gang of youths
led by one Connor, n a shopping precinct,following many complaints by shoppers.
He related the efforts the Police had made to solve the problem
but to no avail.
He then put it out to the audience ,what would they do?
Various suggestions then one from a very old lady, short, ,sharp and to the point- “ Castrate Connor”——- the laughter went on for ages,so to did mine .
It is really funny and so a real tonic .
Cheerio
Viktoria.
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I have just read an article in The Times which says the Over 60s are the most active and the least lonely. It is good to know I am doing something right, my only regret is that I have to wait till tomorrow before I can go out for another walk, usually I walk for at least two hours every day.
That’s because you are a good person with a conscience.
Thank you for the cookery tip btw ;D. I’m pretty good at making something from whatever’s in the cupboard. It would be nice if the other someone in the house would sometimes say, do you have, or I fancy, just occasionally ;D
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It would be nice if the other someone in the house would sometimes say, do you have, or I fancy, just occasionally ;D
Or perhaps cook it once in a while????
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It would be nice if the other someone in the house would sometimes say, do you have, or I fancy, just occasionally ;D
Or perhaps cook it once in a while????
Ahhh, now, I can’t really complain there because he does a much better roast than I do, and he does the washing up pretty much every day. Also he is very capable in the kitchen and we try not to tell the day of the week by the food on the table. Sometimes though you just run out of ideas or enthusiasm .
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It would be nice if the other someone in the house would sometimes say, do you have, or I fancy, just occasionally ;D
Or perhaps cook it once in a while????
My daughter's other half is a professional chef so she's managing to cope, because of his hours he doesn't often cook at home but as he's furloughed he's taken over the kitchen.
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Well that’s the best news for a while, a Downing st statement makes it clear, If a shop is open you may buy anything that they sell.
Social distancing is the mantra.
Mike
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Turning out a kitchen drawer whilst hunting for a little chubby screwdriver of mine that I suspected O H had "liberated" from me, I found the long-lost keys to the kitchen window! Just in time to let a large bumble bee out that way, instead of my usual "Plastic-jar-and-postcard" liberation kit.
I'd never have gone a-hunting if I hadn't had time on my hands, I'd have just got another screwdriver next time I was in the right place.
-And no, I still haven't found the screwdriver!
TY
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Turning out a kitchen drawer whilst hunting for a little chubby screwdriver of mine that I suspected O H had "liberated" from me, I found the long-lost keys to the kitchen window! Just in time to let a large bumble bee out that way, instead of my usual "Plastic-jar-and-postcard" liberation kit.
I'd never have gone a-hunting if I hadn't had time on my hands, I'd have just got another screwdriver next time I was in the right place.
-And no, I still haven't found the screwdriver!
TY
Now, what would The Borrowers do with a screwdriver? ;D
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What makes you think he would have hidden it in a kitchen drawer?
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Although short, it was a hefty little thing with a transparent plastic handle, and a phillips head, so I should imagine an ingenious little Borrower might find quite a lot of uses for it! My peeve is that it was MINE, from my bag, and "went missing" ( "borrowed, but not returned")
-And half the world ends up in "his" kitchen drawer!
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Oh TY,my M in L had a little screwdriver,used for the tension
on her sewing machine.
My F in L bought it for her when they were “ courting” and she worked in a
sewing factory,her machine there did not keep its tension very well so it was truly useful to her.They were on piecework
The girls had to provide their own tools and scissors .
Special light oil etc.
She cherished it .
Viktoria.
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Although short, it was a hefty little thing with a transparent plastic handle, and a phillips head, so I should imagine an ingenious little Borrower might find quite a lot of uses for it! My peeve is that it was MINE, from my bag, and "went missing" ( "borrowed, but not returned")
-And half the world ends up in "his" kitchen drawer!
Funny how if it’s in his drawer (euphemism for tool box ::)). then it’s his, even when it’s yours.
What is it with husbands and screwdrivers ? I have a little wooden handled one, old as the hills, it’s [mine and has a great deal of uses, gets the lids off syrup and treacle tins a treat :D
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The Borrowers, we used to watch that with our daughter when she was young but somehow it upset her, I was always amazed by it
Louisa Maud
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Hahahahaha,well my husband did not know one end of a screw driver from another.
It is a family joke just how inept he was ,truly could not knock a nail in straight.
He was left handed,most beautiful copperplate handwriting, ledgers were hand written when he did accountancy.However when he started school he was left handed ,the teacher made him change to right hand .
His had Mum had “ words” with the teacher!
So back to left hand.But he was right foot and right eye dominant.
He was very awkward with the smallest task and eventually just did not do any!
So it was I up ladders,tiling,painting,paper hanging,etcetc.
However, he was good about the house especially when I was busy with DIY.
But as for cooking- no- that was still for me to do.
But he’d drive me to anywhere I wanted to go, and was so patient with FH even though he had no interest in it.
How my sons have learnt to do all the DIY and car maintenance they are capable of I do not know.
So all the tools,drills,sanders planers heat guns etc are mine.
He never touched them on the basis I might expect him to do something !
Viktoria.
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Oh Victoria, you are a breath of fresh air 😂😂
Now I said husband has a tool drawer; he actually has a shed full of useful things, I didn’t say he could actually use any of them 😂😂. I’m being unkind, he will have a go at most things but we did have to call an emergency plumber the day he tried to bleed the radiators 😮
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Trystan
I appreciate the title change, thank you 🙏 After watching How Clean is Your House last evening I had a major wobble and sleepless night.
Feeling much better this morning, sun is shining, laundry on the line, drawer sorting underway. Coffee and Rootschat. Happy days... :D
I saw some of that programme, although there were lots of useful tips I've always thought that the original programme was a bit over the top and could see how it would worry a lot of people. It worried me too, despite the fact that I live alone so there's no-one else affecting my home environment. It's hard to put it into perspective but if all of the occupants of the house give their hands a good scrub every time they come in it would reduce the possibility of the nasties lurking on a lot of the surfaces they mentioned.
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I am feeling quite proud of myself today if that is allowed. About a year ago, one of our conservatory blind cords snapped and so we couldn't draw the blind anymore and it's just sat there since then with the cord on the top . So now we don't have two inquisitive grandsons around, I decided to bite the bullet and try to mend it.
It's taken me best part of a week on and off but it's done and back up and working this afternoon. I had a look on google , but videos on there were clearly for more modern versions than ours, so I basically stared at the remaining blinds as to how they worked and then tried to fix the broken one.
It was very fiddly but I got there with me asking husband to construct a replacement for the end pulley wheel which he did from part of an old pen and a bit of plasticard from his modelling.
What outstanding jobs do you have that you could have a go at?
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I am feeling quite proud of myself today if that is allowed. About a year ago, one of our conservatory blind cords snapped and so we couldn't draw the blind anymore and it's just sat there since then with the cord on the top . So now we don't have two inquisitive grandsons around, I decided to bite the bullet and try to mend it.
It's taken me best part of a week on and off but it's done and back up and working this afternoon. I had a look on google , but videos on there were clearly for more modern versions than ours, so I basically stared at the remaining blinds as to how they worked and then tried to fix the broken one.
It was very fiddly but I got there with me asking husband to construct a replacement for the end pulley wheel which he did from part of an old pen and a bit of plasticard from his modelling.
What outstanding jobs do you have that you could have a go at?
Congratulations, you have every right to be proud of that achievement
I had to keep drawing little diagrams of what went where and even then it took a lot of trial and error
before it worked.
Mike
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Oh, weeeell!
I need power to my little pond ,it is well aerated but needs proper filtration and I don’t think there are solar powered ones.
Now electricity is something I would not dare touch,not after starting to sort out the shower,I had turned the power off ,but felt a fizz! :o
It was then I remembered the shower was on a totally separate circuit and
I had not turned it off.
You have never seen anyone move so quickly.
So pond power for an expert.
Need some blinds for the utility room ,it gets dangerously hot as it faces South.
I have the wherewithal to make Roman blinds,so will tackle those.
A greenhouse to assemble,just a lightweight one .
Garden bench and table ends need painting ,black.
Fencing which is quite new, preservative applied .
It has,with all the rain mellowed to a softgreen grey and matches the Lakeland slate chippings.
Dog blankets to be sewn for when this is all over and I can adopt a dog.
I ‘ve got some fleece material,just in case I get a follicularly
challenged dog!
Otherwise not much.
I am not bothered really how long this goes on,except obviously people are suffering, so can’t be selfish but hope the lockdown is not ended too soon.
Anyway, I am just hoping that people will be less selfish and hedonistic, and less tied to the “ celebrity “ culture .
Hope every one is welland stays so.
Cheerio,Viktoria.
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Trystan
A change from what I now feel to be the relentless negativity of the media.
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Louisa Maud :o Slow down dear ! :D We’ve a long way to go yet. Says I, just starting on those drawers ??? you know the ones we all have, full of candle ends, odd batteries, paper clips, perished rubber bands, bits of string not long enough to be useful. I have found the lost button from hubbies jacket, except he no longer has the jacket ;D
That immediately brought to mind the wee comedy song Jimeoin did back some time ago, it has a lot of sh*t in it ( the drawer and the wee song ) and you probably remember it but will refresh your memory if you look for it on youtube ... Jimeoin 'Third drawer down' or as I remembered it 3rd drawer from the top, same diff,... we all have one and it was pretty accurate :D
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Different country so some different restrictions/guidelines/laws, but we are being told to stay in our local area/suburb where possible. That is pretty clear.
Allowances are made for medical and a few other reasons.
I will be interested to see what excuses those who are caught far from home come up with over the Easter break. :)
Ditto, think NZ even tighter rules in many respects but still some popular holiday spots have had the pressure of some isolating in their 2nd homes against all directives of staying where you usually live from the time of lockdown at the end of 25th March until advised but apparently many continued to head there under cloak of darkness, extra policing for Easter. Good Friday there really was nothing open, goodness knows where all the cars we saw toing and froing just in our area on afternoon walk were going :-\ the 2 little corner shops weren't busy but the petrol pumps were on another corner and only window service. Benefit payments went in early for Easter and maybe fuel had got low and essential, some will have been just looking for a wee joy ride and an excuse to get out and about, then a massive chase and serious accident involving a police car and the racer at 11pm last night other side of our suburb and hear police helicopter overhead now and sirens just after 11pm ... not uncommon but too often in lockdown!.
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OH actually brilliant at all practical jobs, not really a "Do-it-yourself"er, but a "Can do anything to a professional standard"er - but I don't think that means he ought to have to do them all! As well as a large drawer in the kitchen, and a set of shelves and desk drawers in an upstairs room, he
also has an entire shed and a garage FULL of tools and equipment, - and I have a few items that used to live in a large pencil-type case, in my briefcase, but somehow whatever he needs is one of my "toytown tools" as he calls them!
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You are behind the times, men do not have sheds now they have man caves.
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I'll tell him, Crumblie ... but it's well-lit, both naturally and with electricity.
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Why is it during the nice, sunny weather neighbours think you want to listen to their choice of music. At around 0915 today our across the lane neighbour decided he wanted to sit in his garden and that we should listen to Oasis. Now then, I can't blinkin' well stand Oasis at the best of times, never mind at that time in the morning and very loud.
When we went out for our once daily foray, involving exercise and some essential shopping, the neighbour was advised by my wife to reduce the volume. By the time we got back the racket had stopped; the request had obviously been effective.
However, later on, it started again but at least it wasn't Oasis. Then, believe it or not, our other neighbours started playing their music, but louder than the first one. Admittedly, the musical choice of the second lot was better and somehow induced the first lot to pack it in.
Fortunately, I was able to ignore it all because on tele there was a replay of Wales's victory over Ireland at the Millennium Stadium in 2005 to win the Six Nations Championship and a Grand Slam.
I think tomorrow must be their turn to listen to my music but I'm torn between something by Pink Floyd, another suitably very loud band or Bryn Terfel, possibly his Christmas C.D..
That'll teach 'em!.
:)
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Now, what would The Borrowers do with a screwdriver? ;D
How are the Borrowers coping while we big people are home all day & night? I assume they are in lock-down below and emerge only briefly during darkness for essentials.
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A man cave is supposed is supposed to well-lit, electricity is needed for the neon signs, they have comfy chairs etc. Some men spend thousands on them.
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Good news, crime statistics are down. Criminals obviously heeding "Stay home, stay safe" advice.
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Llwyd - you could always play this at full volume and tell them you'll do it every time their music is loud enough to hear. ;D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqZsoesa55w&vl=en
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Llwyd - you could always play this at full volume and tell them you'll do it every time their music is loud enough to hear. ;D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqZsoesa55w&vl=en
Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ……… please, no. I'll even listen to Oasis.
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I so agree with you Llwyd (although I do like Oasis), I really don't like listening to anyone's music in the garden, even if it's music that I like, I don't want to listen to it second hand.
Today I could hear You Picked a Fine Time to Leave me Lucille. ::) I think I might have to treat the perpetrator to some Iron Maiden. ;D
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How about some opera? That would probably send them inside! (Nothing against opera, but it might upset pop music fans.)
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How about Eric Idle singing Always Look On The Bright Side Of Light, you could have your own community flash mob.
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My daughter suggested a sing a long for the street during clap for carers but wasn't willing to lead it
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My upstairs neighbour is on furlough - she works at a hotel.
I am retired.
So, the 2 of us sit basking in the sun each day ;D
Problem is - she simply MUST have a radio with her ::)
I have finally persuaded her to keep the volume down - even if she is 2 metres away!
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My upstairs neighbour is on furlough - she works at a hotel.
I am retired.
So, the 2 of us sit basking in the sun each day ;D
Problem is - she simply MUST have a radio with her ::)
I have finally persuaded her to keep the volume down - even if she is 2 metres away!
She should invest in headphones
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I have a neighbour too who insists on playing loud music in her garden for all to hear. Mostly current pop stuff. Why I cannot fathom as she is 72.
Perhaps we should treat her to the 1812 overture complete with canons.
Dorrie
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Aw!,I am 83 in May and have a wide taste in music.
On the CD player in the kitchen Status Quo.
On a battery driven portable one music from The Andes.
A Tape of a Manchester Trad Jazz band The Saints on a tape recorder/ player
The Dubliners with Luke Kelly belting out On Raglan Road among others ready to be played on myIPad.
I don’t play them outside though,but the door can be open.
On the record player at the moment John Williams playing Recuerdos del Alhambra.
I am surrounded by music a good pert of the day when not listening to the radio.
I hate having someone else’s taste foisted on me,it is so rude .
How they get it so loud I don’t know ,my players etc have a volume limit .
BU T when this is all over and perhaps people feel llike having a Street party
I reckon I could put up with music I would not play myself.
Goodnight all, sleep well ,Easter eggs tomorrow.
I have a Lindt chocolate rabbit with a ribbon and a bell round it’s neck from my nearest son.
But no big chocolate cake this year, no pussy willow with decorated eggs suspended from the twigs ,no daffodils in the house and no one to share the special meal,but we are all OK in our own homes, the phone will be ringing
and to date all are well,much to be thankful for.
Goodnight and God bless , which was Mum’s nightly saying with a kiss.
Viktoria.
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Goodnight and Happy Easter to you, Viktoria.
I have an Easter Egg as well - I managed to get 3 for the price of 2 on my last Tesco delivery. My sister had asked me to get one for her grand daughter, as the one she wanted wasn't in stock when she had a delivery. Poor Faith was upset as all the ones her siblings and cousins wanted had come. So I got that, a mint Aero one for my sister and the third I've kept for myself!
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I worded badly the sort of music I play throughout the day,I don’t have them all playing at once!
Whatever room I am in there is either music or the radio.
Viktoria.
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Aw!,I am 83 in May and have a wide taste in music.
On the CD player in the kitchen Status Quo.
Viktoria.
Careful! You'll get yourself in deep trouble for Rockin All Over The World just now ;D
Stay home and stay safe, Mark
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Oh the one to get you in trouble is “ Whatever you want”.
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Whatever you want
Whatever you need
Whatever you use :o
I can take you home on the midnight train again!
Whatever that means! ::)
Viktoria.
But I do see your point - with this other thing rollicking all over the world at the present time.I had better stay home!
Remember donald trump( note the lower case letters) said it would all be over by today!
Also by Status Quo “ I hear you knocking — BUT YOU CAN’T COME IN !
V
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And I took you for a young thing Viktoria! ;D
Skoosh.
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Skoosh Viktoria is just a spring chicken or is it the Easter " bunny "girl. ;D ;D ;D
She is full of life and fun and I love her posts. :) :)
Have you finished your Islay Malts yet ????
Dorrie
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She's certainly sharp as a tack Dorrie!! Still working through the Laphroaig, used to hate the stuff! ;D
Bests,
Skoosh.
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Come in Viktoria we're talking about you - nice things only :-X :-X
My lassie has a pal who was born on Islay. Her dad was from just outside Bowmore. We used to have some parties with him and his relatives when they came over. Islay Malts were flowing. Oh Happy Days. :) :)
Have you read the article on Islay in today's National?
Dorrie
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In one of the roads in a village near here, they have organised sing-songs and weekly coffee mornings. They all sit or stand outside their own houses. I am not sure when or what they sing, but there is a picture of them this morning. Just checked and they started at 11.00 with "Thine be the glory" followed by 3 non religious songs. I am not convinced that many of them would have known the hymn!
I do think it is a really nice idea though.
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Dorrie, very good! ;D
Skoosh.
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i have noticed that cars are speeding round the traffic island (with loud music) near my house now that fewer people are on the road, however children also seem to think they are safer now with less traffic and are using the excercise time to go round the roads on those little scooters. There have been some near msses!
A runner came down the road and crossed the corner without looking and a cyclist came the wrong way and thankfully missed him. My grandaughter is a nurse, they have enough to do at the moment without these idots.
Rant over.
rayard.
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My husband was out by 7.30 this morning, he’s an early riser ::) We live close to a single track road leading to the South Downs Way. For the last 3 weekends it’s been like the M25. He thought he was early enough it being Sunday. He came home saying he’d been passed by more joggers and cyclists than he’d usually see all year, all huffing and blowing.
We’ve just seen pictures of the London parks again, if any of those people become ill I couldn’t care less but I do care deeply for the nurses and doctors and perhaps their own family who will be looking after them 😡
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If people haven't got the message by now, they're never going to get it!
I'm sure a lot of them never read a newspaper or listen to the news on tv - they will pick it up second hand and assume (like they always do) that it doesn't apply to them.
Its like the panic buying at the start of the outbreak (thankfully, died down a bit now though you still have to be extremely vigilant to get a delivery slot). Those people were self-centred morons who assumed they could do as they liked whilst other people could go to to hell. There's no hope for people like that: no active brain cells! We just have to make an effort to step around them. What a pity there isn't a system to ensure that they go to the back of the queue if and when they catch the virus! I know I shouldn't even think that - but it does cross my mind every now and then. :-[
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Dorrie, just finished the paper, excellent letters! The holiday-homes business needs sorted out this time round.
Skoosh.
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Well there is young,and there is infantile- . ;I don’t mind which.
Having a laugh is good for us , I was always the daft one at school.
To some extent it comes from not quite fitting in, I was a Manchester child uprooted to rural Shropshire ,then aged eight I returned to Manchester,the children at my new school already had firm friendships ,I had an unusual,soft accent and I wanted to fit in .
So I was funny ,and I became popular.
So at Grammar School,College and Schools where I worked.
I can usually see something funny in things , and that developed more when the Head Teacher at the first school I worked at after returning to the UK
had a similar sense of humour.
We bounced off each other.
The school really rang with laughter,mostly the Head.
And his Deputy Head was the same.
One of the things that got me the job apart from qualifications etc was a quip I made prior to the final interview.
We all had a laugh,I felt at ease and that was that.
I worked there for 23 years.
So I suppose acting daft and seeing the funny side is beneficial, people speak to you ,they may not know your name but will remember what you said about certain things.If you have not exchanged a few words with anyone ,because you live alone, some banter in the street is a Tonic .
All the thirteen years of dog walking every afternoon without fail, with similar people ,it was almost two and a half hours of laughter .
We had concerts on the bandstand , jokes , etc .
It is easier to be daft than miserable.
Well I find it so.
There are some very clever,very witty people on RootsChat,I don’t use any other social outlet ,just the phone and letters.
I have to watch myself though,or I will become addicted !
Cheerio folk, kind wishes to you all and hopes we all get through this safely.
Viktoria.
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Ermhhhhh! We've been hearing about influential people being chastised, and even losing their positions, due to their travelling to "second homes" during this pandemic. BUT I now understand that Boris and Carrie are in residence at Chequers. :o :o :-X :-X
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8211821/Ive-got-b-r-thing-Boris-Johnsons-verdict-battling-coronavirus.html
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Ermhhhhh! We've been hearing about influential people being chastised, and even losing their positions, due to their travelling to "second homes" during this pandemic. BUT I now understand that Boris and Carrie are in residence at Chequers. :o :o :-X :-X
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8211821/Ive-got-b-r-thing-Boris-Johnsons-verdict-battling-coronavirus.html
I don't begrudge him that at all.
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Ermhhhhh! We've been hearing about influential people being chastised, and even losing their positions, due to their travelling to "second homes" during this pandemic. BUT I now understand that Boris and Carrie are in residence at Chequers. :o :o :-X :-X
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8211821/Ive-got-b-r-thing-Boris-Johnsons-verdict-battling-coronavirus.html
Can't believe I'm standing up for Boris but I think it may have something to do with Number 10 actually being a working office and not just a home so if he is at Chequers it can keep running.
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Hopefully at Chequers there will be no journalists standing outside shouting "When are you going back to work, Boris?" :-X
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But you don't have to drive to go outside. You may have to drive to go somewhere more intersting, more beautiful etc but you can walk along the street.
The biggest issue with driving elsewhere to go walking is that increases the radius of movement of people. A virus cannot move itself, it is moved by people. Therefore going to a completely different area for your walk or going shopping several miles away (when there are several other supermarkets in between not when it's miles to the nearest one) increases the potential for spread and can seed new clusters in new areas.
You might I cannot, I live at the top of a hill, if I walk in either direction I have to go downhill, I have a medical problem, we have a 16 year old disabled granddaughter who is living with us and my wife has asthma now you tell me how the three of us can go out for exercise by walking along the street.-
A) the pavement is not wide enough to walk 3 abreast and my granddaughter requires both myself and my wife either side to allow her to walk.
B) even at 6 a.m. there are pedestrians walking up and down the street.
C) as I stated we live at the top of a hill and I cannot afford to strain myself at this time trying to push her back up the hill
Now tell me I drive to a remote deserted old railway track bed not to exercise but drive to go somewhere more interesting, more beautiful etc!
Cheers
Guy
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No loud music today from the neighbours, so it was our turn. After a very nice state permitted walk, during which we managed to avoid other people for quite a bit of it, we arrived home, got out the fishing chairs, had a cup of tea. We then took to the red wine whilst we played, firstly, Voices of the Valley by the Froncysllte MVC followed by Lonesome and Blue by the Rolling Stones. They were both at full volume but the CD player remained in the kitchen, so the sound did not carry too far outside.
I see that live streaming of "nature" is recommended as a panacea for "lockdown". There are CCTV cameras watching owl nests, peregrine nests, osprey nests. I hope that these pictures are accompanied by the necessary warnings - "these shots may contain scenes of extreme and graphic violence" as the owls, peregrines and ospreys bring home food for their offspring. I'm sure there are probably people out there who will be "shocked" if not forewarned.
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But you don't have to drive to go outside. You may have to drive to go somewhere more intersting, more beautiful etc but you can walk along the street.
The biggest issue with driving elsewhere to go walking is that increases the radius of movement of people. A virus cannot move itself, it is moved by people. Therefore going to a completely different area for your walk or going shopping several miles away (when there are several other supermarkets in between not when it's miles to the nearest one) increases the potential for spread and can seed new clusters in new areas.
You might I cannot, I live at the top of a hill, if I walk in either direction I have to go downhill, I have a medical problem, we have a 16 year old disabled granddaughter who is living with us and my wife has asthma now you tell me how the three of us can go out for exercise by walking along the street.-
A) the pavement is not wide enough to walk 3 abreast and my granddaughter requires both myself and my wife either side to allow her to walk.
B) even at 6 a.m. there are pedestrians walking up and down the street.
C) as I stated we live at the top of a hill and I cannot afford to strain myself at this time trying to push her back up the hill
Now tell me I drive to a remote deserted old railway track bed not to exercise but drive to go somewhere more interesting, more beautiful etc!
Cheers
Guy
Guy, there are always extenuating circumstances and people will empathise with that.
However, when you have two perfectly healthy young women, who do not live together but do ‘train’ together who are perfectly capable of walking/running from their home but choose to drive to a location in order to ‘train’ ie run and you see them every day when they huff and puff past you you can see how it becomes rather annoying. That’s not counting the same cars with dog letter outers, we don’t call them walkers, because all they do is let the dog out to foul and then go home again, you can time your watch by most of them, then that makes you angry 😡
I’m sorry to say there are more people like them than there are like you and your wife and I appreciate your dilemma.
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Today I could hear You Picked a Fine Time to Leave me Lucille. ::) I think I might have to treat the perpetrator to some Iron Maiden. ;D
Iron Maiden, that'll teach 'em but only at the highest volume you have. Seen them live three times - great gigs.
:)
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Don't encourage me ;) ;D
Might be a remedy for getting rid of the unwanted trespassers too :D
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How about some opera? That would probably send them inside! (Nothing against opera, but it might upset pop music fans.)
Well that’s a good idea.., how about a bit of Wagner at full volume?
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But you don't have to drive to go outside. You may have to drive to go somewhere more intersting, more beautiful etc but you can walk along the street.
The biggest issue with driving elsewhere to go walking is that increases the radius of movement of people. A virus cannot move itself, it is moved by people. Therefore going to a completely different area for your walk or going shopping several miles away (when there are several other supermarkets in between not when it's miles to the nearest one) increases the potential for spread and can seed new clusters in new areas.
You might I cannot, I live at the top of a hill, if I walk in either direction I have to go downhill, I have a medical problem, we have a 16 year old disabled granddaughter who is living with us and my wife has asthma now you tell me how the three of us can go out for exercise by walking along the street.-
A) the pavement is not wide enough to walk 3 abreast and my granddaughter requires both myself and my wife either side to allow her to walk.
B) even at 6 a.m. there are pedestrians walking up and down the street.
C) as I stated we live at the top of a hill and I cannot afford to strain myself at this time trying to push her back up the hill
Now tell me I drive to a remote deserted old railway track bed not to exercise but drive to go somewhere more interesting, more beautiful etc!
Cheers
Guy
Guy, there are always extenuating circumstances and people will empathise with that.
However, when you have two perfectly healthy young women, who do not live together but do ‘train’ together who are perfectly capable of walking/running from their home but choose to drive to a location in order to ‘train’ ie run and you see them every day when they huff and puff past you you can see how it becomes rather annoying. That’s not counting the same cars with dog letter outers, we don’t call them walkers, because all they do is let the dog out to foul and then go home again, you can time your watch by most of them, then that makes you angry 😡
I’m sorry to say there are more people like them than there are like you and your wife and I appreciate your dilemma.
I am sorry Suey but we have had to put up with such distaste that prompted me to post for years but has got worse lately. People have stopped us in parks saying we are cruel forcing her to walk and that she should be allowed to sit in her wheelchair. It got so bad a few years ago I got her consultant to write and sign a note giving her daily exercise requirements as she needs daily physical activity/exercise as primary prevention against 35 chronic conditions later in life.
In a similar way you do not know what hidden disabilities either or both of those young ladies you describe have not every disability is visible, take epilepsy a person can be fit and healthy looking one minute and totally helpless and near death's door the next, it is such lack of understanding that makes life so difficult for them not the illness itself.
Please don't judge people when you do not the full circumstances involved, let's all live and let live
Cheers
Guy
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This was posted on a local FaceBook group's page.
Thought I would share ;D
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2 young men jailed on Isle of Man for offences related to Covid-19.
One person was absent from a residence and also failed to follow medical instructions, officers say - he's been sentenced to six weeks in jail.
Another male had already been warned but was found drinking and socialising on a beach - he's been given four weeks.
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Quite right too if this is the only way to make people realise how dangerous their actions are.
Seems to have been quite quiet here in UK over Easter thankfully.
Take care,
Dorrie
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It`s also people driving long distances for no essential reason.
Why would someone drive a 300mile round trip from Scotland to N.Wales just to pick up a "bargain" BMW.
Why would some one take their Porsche from Shropshire to N.Wales just for a spin.
Cars stopped near us from 3 different areas to go crabbing at Tenby.
The rules seemingly don`t apply to "them"
Don`t they know how this rotten thing is spread.
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It`s also people driving long distances for no essential reason.
Why would someone drive a 300mile round trip from Scotland to N.Wales just to pick up a "bargain" BMW.
Why would some one take their Porsche from Shropshire to N.Wales just for a spin.
Cars stopped near us from 3 different areas to go crabbing at Tenby.
The rules seemingly don`t apply to "them"
Don`t they know how this rotten thing is spread.
It is more they don't care, it couldn't possibly happen to them, they don't have symptoms right now, but lockdown is hard, it's boring blah blah blah. Brings a whole new meaning to dying of boredom doesn't it?
I have thought for a long time that there are many who consider the law (including the laws of physics and nature) do not apply to them, that they can do what they want, when they want and no one else matters.
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Well, my wife and I have, after three complete weeks of "lockdown", arrived at the conclusion that joggers are, in the main but not all, the most selfish users of the footpaths as they jog along, oblivious to people walking towards them, as if they don't exist, and keeping on ahead as if deviation from their course is impossible. A small minority do take avoiding actions but I'm afraid the majority seem to think the footpaths are there for their sole use. >:(
Tonight at 8pm it was "sing for Wales" in, funnily enough, Wales. So at 8pm tonight my wife and I put our radio on the front doorstep, tuned into radio Wales, turned up the volume to full and we sang along to Mae Hen Wlad Fy Nhadau also at full volume. I'm sorry to say that we seemed to be the only one's in our immediate area.
My daughter and granddaughter did the same even though they live in deepest, darkest England. I sort of look on my daughter as a missionary!. Cymru Am Byth.
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Not only joggers, cyclists, one man racing a child nearly had me off my feet, the child on the road and the unthinking adult was on the pavement, no concern about distancing, if I had wobbled slightly he would have had me he was so near
Louisa Maud
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Our lockdown in France has been extended to 11 May when - if all goes well - schools will begin to reopen, although restaurants, hotels, etc will remain closed and public gatherings will be limited. Older and more vulnerable people will remain in isolation and I suspect there may be regional differences too. That will make a total of 8 weeks lockdown nationally, with some restrictions here locally for a little over a week before that.
Time is starting to drag a little, especially with the lovely Spring weather making us want to be outside in the countryside - and not just within 1 km of the house for an hour once per day! But I'm trying to stay positive: all the family remains healthy, my husband can work almost normally from home, and there are no shortages in the local supermarket, so we're among the lucky ones.
My brother organised a Zoom meeting for us and my sister this evening, and we had a great chat - next week he's going to extend it to our adult children, so that's something else to look forward to.
Small steps, but at least we now have a rough timeline to work to, and I definitely prefer that to being in limbo.
Take care everyone.
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Obvious questions Manchester Rambler but will the French, and perhaps also EU, economy survive this and indeed will the French people acept it?
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So far lockdown has been quite well respected - fines for non-respect are quite high (with imprisonment for repeat offenders), which probably helps. There's inevitably a certain amount of concern about the economy, but the government seems to be trying to convey that the bottom line is you need a healthy working population.
I obviously can't speak for the country as a whole, but among my friends and family here the general attitude is acceptance/resignation. The wind orchestra I belong to has a group e-mail circulating with bad jokes and plans for a booze-up refined celebration when gatherings of up to 50 people are authorised again, but everyone seems to accept that for now it's not possible.
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2 young men jailed on Isle of Man for offences related to Covid-19.
One person was absent from a residence and also failed to follow medical instructions, officers say - he's been sentenced to six weeks in jail.
Another male had already been warned but was found drinking and socialising on a beach - he's been given four weeks.
Should be tougher punishments in England (don't know what the rest of UK is like).
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lancashire-52277535
Three weeks of lockdown restrictions and it's still not getting through to some people.
The only punishment mentioned was a fine for the driver. Surely the rest of the family committed an offence.
What's the fine? £60 - less if paid quickly?
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Will the British economy survive this? of course it will & so will the French & EU.
Skoosh.
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2 young men jailed on Isle of Man for offences related to Covid-19.
One person was absent from a residence and also failed to follow medical instructions, officers say - he's been sentenced to six weeks in jail.
Another male had already been warned but was found drinking and socialising on a beach - he's been given four weeks.
Should be tougher punishments in England (don't know what the rest of UK is like).
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lancashire-52277535
Three weeks of lockdown restrictions and it's still not getting through to some people.
The only punishment mentioned was a fine for the driver. Surely the rest of the family committed an offence.
What's the fine? £60 - less if paid quickly?
They won't get it because they don't want to get it. They, personally are not ill, they have not yet lost a loved one so it is abstract to them. I know many who boast about never watching the news. I don't mean cutting back in the current circumstances for their mental health but never ever, they boast about ignoring everything that is not directly affecting them at that exact moment. The problem with that is that things take them by surprise and then they complain that no one warned them.
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... and that it's not their fault. Don't forget that, PharmaT, they'll always find someone else to hold responsible.
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T'was ever thus!! Idiots abound!
I'm putting my hope in the scientists. I think that's the only way out of this predicament for all of us. I read an article in the paper at the weekend about a lady scientist - (Jane Something, I think - I've recycled the newspaper and can't now find her on google. Typical!) who thinks they are getting closer to a vaccine and is urging the powers that be to start manufacturing the vaccine and not wait until after the tests are done. As she says, there's going to be nothing more frustrating than discovering it works and then taking months more to make the stuff. I suppose you could say that's chucking good money away but I agree, in this case, we've got to just go for it. Do the tests, of course, but then be ready to get going with the vaccines immediately. If it doesn't work - at least we tried.
I just can't see any other way. Whenever they let us out of our voluntary imprisonment, the damn virus isn't going to go away and I fear we'll just be back to square one with hundreds more people dying. I also don't think you can expect people to come out of quarantine, yet be expected to go about their (reasonably) normal lives and still maintain this social distancing. You just can't do it on public transport, in pubs and restaurants etc.
In my opinion, the reason why the government won't tell us what their isolation exit plan is, is because they haven't got one. It has to be all or nothing or we may just as well not have bothered in the first place.
I take comfort in the fact that scientists around the world are concentrating their efforts on this and , by and large, unlike governments, they're not opposed to consulting each other. There are some extremely clever scientists out there - power to their collective elbows!!
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jillruss,
I think it will be done in stages tbh. Maybe reopen schools first, gradually reopen workplaces by redefining the list of what can be open, continue to promote home working where this is possible, bars and restaurants will be the last to reopen other than maybe package holidays that is. We need to hold onto the through that as the number of those infected falls (it will eventually even though it doesn't feel like it right now) the reservoir of infection ie the opportunities to become infected will fall so it will get back to the stage where test, treat, trace and isolate will be possible (numbers are just too big right now to be fully effective). At least that's the sensible approach in imo don't know if we can actually achieve that right now
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I suppose we've got the advantage in that, because we're behind countries like Italy in the course of the virus, we can take note of what happen there and see if it works.
We still have to find an effective test and to see if and for how long a person who may have been infected by it remains immune to getting it again. As far as I can tell, that test is not nearly ready.
On another note - have you watched any of Mr Trump's news updates to the nation? They're embarrassingly awful. He doesn't seem to own a shred of empathy; everything is turned around to be all about him and how great he is. Surely, even those who supported him thus far, must see now what the man is really like?
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A small but highly relevant point is hat the UK doesn't publish figures for those who have recovered so that what we get is the total of all of those who have ever caught the virus. This is always going to be a much scarier figure than that for those currently infected. For example if you look at Austria, as it is starting to reopen today, you can see that there has been a total of 14,185 infections of which only 6,168 are currently still infected. Even Spain with its high 172,541 infections actually has the much lower figure of 86.981 active cases. The source for these figures is:- https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries
For those who like to play around with statistics very detailed information is available for Scotland at the following site - note that it shows numbers recovered albeit it is an estimated figure:- https://www.travellingtabby.com/scotland-coronavirus-tracker/
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A small but highly relevant point is hat the UK doesn't publish figures for those who have recovered so that what we get is the total of all of those who have ever caught the virus. This is always going to be a much scarier figure than that for those currently infected. For example if you look at Austria, as it is starting to reopen today, you can see that there has been a total of 14,185 infections of which only 6,168 are currently still infected. Even Spain with its high 172,541 infections actually has the much lower figure of 86.981 active cases. The source for these figures is:- https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries
For those who like to play around with statistics very detailed information is available for Scotland at the following site - note that it shows numbers recovered albeit it is an estimated figure:- https://www.travellingtabby.com/scotland-coronavirus-tracker/
There are sources that record the total number of confirmed cases. What I'd like to see added to the briefing is though. The number of patients stepped down from ITU to general ward, the numbers discharged and the numbers recovered.
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The WHO list patients who are presumed to have recovered.
That is patients who have tested positive, but no longer need hospital treatment - otherwise they would have come back to hospital?
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I agree PharmaT, I think that would give us all more hope.
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Pharma these figures are on the Scottish site that I gave the address of and the good news is that it does show a reduction in the numbers of those in hospital and a reduction also of the numbers in intensive care. These are very small reductions but at least the figures are going in the right direction. I am not sure if it would be correct to infer that a similar pattern applies throughout the UK, but trying to analyse the UK figures (using running averages) I think that we are starting to move in the right direction. I do however wish that the Government and/or media would put a bit more effort into putting across the good news figures as well as the bad. I am sure that the mood of the whole country would be improved by realising that it is not all bad news. Personally I have almost given up watching the news and reading newspapers , preferring to go to the source figures and work it out for myself.
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Pharma these figures are on the Scottish site that I gave the address of and the good news is that it does show a reduction in the numbers of those in hospital and a reduction also of the numbers in intensive care. These are very small reductions but at least the figures are going in the right direction. I am not sure if it would be correct to infer that a similar pattern applies throughout the UK, but trying to analyse the UK figures (using running averages) I think that we are starting to move in the right direction. I do however wish that the Government and/or media would put a bit more effort into putting across the good news figures as well as the bad. I am sure that the mood of the whole country would be improved by realising that it is not all bad news. Personally I have almost given up watching the news and reading newspapers , preferring to go to the source figures and work it out for myself.
The admission rate in Scotland does appear to have stabilised. The figures I have seen seem to show a slightly steeper climb in figures in England, similar rate of increase in Wales and slightly slower climb in NI.
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What would concern me with allowing certain categories of people out of lockdown/back to work before others is where you have a household with mixed age groups. Lets say for example a mum and dad with pre existing health conditions and two grown up working children. The children could be allowed to return to their jobs whilst their parents may be in the group that have to wait a bit longer. Worst case scenario one of the children are then infected with the virus and pass it on to their parents.
I would appreciate your views on this.
Take Care,
Dorrie
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That would be a worry. I have childcare issues atm because it feels too risky to be able to be in contact with my mum because I'm going to work and the children are in contact with me.
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Dorrie, there is no easy answer to your question. Those who have reason to keep themselves out of harms way must be allowed to do so as lockdown ends. Where the household contains vulnerable people then the answer could be to exempt the able bodied from returning to work until they have had an antibody test. If antibodies are present there is no problem, a major reassurance to the vulnerable. If there are no antibodies and the virus is still active in society then they will either have to make special arrangements to return to work or where possible continue to work from home.
There are regular suggestions that the numbers infected are far higher than the official figures (BBC Scotland claims by a factor of 100 in Scotland). This would also be good news as it would suggest a much higher community immunity figure than originally envisaged, thereby greatly reducing your chances of coming into contact with the virus. The fact that so many younger people seem to get the virus without ever being aware that they have had it is an interesting feature of this infection but it sure muddies the waters in trying to work out where we are all going.
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Dorrie, there is no easy answer to your question. Those who have reason to keep themselves out of harms way must be allowed to do so as lockdown ends. Where the household contains vulnerable people then the answer could be to exempt the able bodied from returning to work until they have had an antibody test. If antibodies are present there is no problem, a major reassurance to the vulnerable. If there are no antibodies and the virus is still active in society then they will either have to make special arrangements to return to work or where possible continue to work from home.
There are regular suggestions that the numbers infected are far higher than the official figures (BBC Scotland claims by a factor of 100 in Scotland). This would also be good news as it would suggest a much higher community immunity figure than originally envisaged, thereby greatly reducing your chances of coming into contact with the virus. The fact that so many younger people seem to get the virus without ever being aware that they have had it is an interesting feature of this infection but it sure muddies the waters in trying to work out where we are all going.
Yes as they are only testing those who are admitted to hospital overnight (they've now started staff testing to try and get them back to work) by definition only the most ill proportion of people will be confirmed as having Covid. Experiences from other countries shows that a significant proportion of people won't need hospital treatment so many, actually most cases are likely to be missed. GIven we have a high threshold for admission to hospital that proportion could be even higher than in other countries.
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Pharma T - Childcare issues are a problem for many working in hospitals and the community and I hope you have managed to resolve it. My niece is a Community Nurse with a 13 and a 6 year old. Luckily she has a step son who lives with her and he is at home because College is closed so when she is on duty he looks after the youngsters.
sonofthom - Yes it is a very complex question to which there is no easy answer. I feel that a lot of people will make their own decisions when the time comes to slowly come out of lockdown. Thank you for your input.
Take care,
Dorrie
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I read an article in the paper at the weekend about a lady scientist - (Jane Something, I think - I've recycled the newspaper and can't now find her on google. Typical!) who thinks they are getting closer to a vaccine and is urging the powers that be to start manufacturing the vaccine and not wait until after the tests are done. As she says, there's going to be nothing more frustrating than discovering it works and then taking months more to make the stuff.
That sounds like an article I read in Saturday's Times, which hasn't quite made it to our recycling yet - you're obviously tidier than me! The subject of that article was Professor Sarah Gilbert of Oxford University; there's a lot of research going on there, which you can read about at
https://www.research.ox.ac.uk/Area/coronavirus-research
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