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Title: Frederick John Ryder born 30/07/1904 registered Devonport
Post by: rogerwinnett on Friday 10 April 20 20:56 BST (UK)
Hi

I am stuck with finding Frederick John Ryder's father.
I think he married an Edith Maud (maiden name unknown). She was a widow in the 1911 Census.
I believe Frederick's father died between 1904 and 1911.
All avenues I've tried have led me to a blank wall.
Any help would be much appreciated.

Regards
Roger
Title: Re: Frederick John Ryder born 30/07/1904 registered Devonport
Post by: Christine53 on Friday 10 April 20 21:04 BST (UK)
There is a baptism :

Frederick John  ( July 30th ) bap  10 Aug 1904 ,  son of Thomas Richard Ryder , painter, and Edith Maud of 41 Cannon Street at Saint Paul, Devonport
Title: Re: Frederick John Ryder born 30/07/1904 registered Devonport
Post by: Mabel Bagshawe on Friday 10 April 20 21:07 BST (UK)
GRO index shows mother's maiden name is Monk
Title: Re: Frederick John Ryder born 30/07/1904 registered Devonport
Post by: Christine53 on Friday 10 April 20 21:09 BST (UK)
A brother :

William Frederick Monk Ryder bap 23 Jul 1902 St Pauls Devonport , Thomas Richard Ryder , painter Royal Navy , and Edith Maud
Title: Re: Frederick John Ryder born 30/07/1904 registered Devonport
Post by: Christine53 on Friday 10 April 20 21:11 BST (UK)
Thomas Richard Ryder and Edith Monk 4 1896 Stoke Damerel 5b 665
Title: Re: Frederick John Ryder born 30/07/1904 registered Devonport
Post by: Mabel Bagshawe on Friday 10 April 20 21:13 BST (UK)
Other children

 EMMA  LAVINIA     Q1 1899

THOMAS  RICHARD ANTHONY  Q1 1900

WILLIAM  FREDERICK MONK  Q3 1902
Title: Re: Frederick John Ryder born 30/07/1904 registered Devonport
Post by: Mabel Bagshawe on Friday 10 April 20 21:15 BST (UK)
1901 census is a bit odd ages wise

Thomas Ryder    47 - painter HM Dockyard
Edith Ryder    46
Emma L Ryder    10
Thomas R Ryder    7
Title: Re: Frederick John Ryder born 30/07/1904 registered Devonport
Post by: rogerwinnett on Friday 10 April 20 21:16 BST (UK)
Thank you so much Christine and Mabel for your speedy replies.
This is my fifth attempt at a reply lol. You keep on adding new info lol.
Many thanks
Roger
Title: Re: Frederick John Ryder born 30/07/1904 registered Devonport
Post by: Mabel Bagshawe on Friday 10 April 20 21:18 BST (UK)
1911 the older two are in Royal Dockyard orphanage
Title: Re: Frederick John Ryder born 30/07/1904 registered Devonport
Post by: Mabel Bagshawe on Friday 10 April 20 21:20 BST (UK)
Thomas Richard Ryder
Q1     1908
Age at Death:    43
Devonport  Vol 5b p249
Title: Re: Frederick John Ryder born 30/07/1904 registered Devonport
Post by: rogerwinnett on Friday 10 April 20 21:22 BST (UK)
Wow you both have done the hard work for me.

Many thanks again.
Roger
Title: Re: Frederick John Ryder born 30/07/1904 registered Devonport
Post by: rogerwinnett on Friday 10 April 20 21:32 BST (UK)
That makes 4 children but the 1911 Census states 5 and they were all alive at the time of the Census.

I had a note that there might have been a Dorothy, probably wrong though.

Roger
Title: Re: Frederick John Ryder born 30/07/1904 registered Devonport
Post by: Mabel Bagshawe on Friday 10 April 20 22:05 BST (UK)
 I hadn't looked after the death of THomas

RYDER, VIOLET  MAUD
mmn      MONK     
Q4  1910 DEVONPORT  Volume 05B  Page 290

Not sure where she is in 1911
Title: Re: Frederick John Ryder born 30/07/1904 registered Devonport
Post by: Mabel Bagshawe on Friday 10 April 20 22:07 BST (UK)
Violet dies in Q3 1911, so should be somewhere
Title: Re: Frederick John Ryder born 30/07/1904 registered Devonport
Post by: rogerwinnett on Friday 10 April 20 22:12 BST (UK)
So Thomas Richard dies in Q1 1908 and Violet Maud is born in Q4 1910. Naughty?

I have found her remarried to a William A.Dearlove in Q2 1913.
Title: Re: Frederick John Ryder born 30/07/1904 registered Devonport
Post by: Mabel Bagshawe on Saturday 11 April 20 18:42 BST (UK)
In 1911 William was a married man - wife died 1912 - so may well not be Violet's father

There were a number of half siblings

Edna b 1914
Alfred b 1918
Reginald b 1921

I may have solved Dorothy - that was the name of William Frederick Monk Ryder's wife
Title: Re: Frederick John Ryder born 30/07/1904 registered Devonport
Post by: rogerwinnett on Saturday 11 April 20 18:57 BST (UK)
That's excellent Mabel, thank you.
Would you know of a baptism for this Thomas Richard Ryder?
Perhaps his father's name would be on that who I haven't either.
I have found a Thomas Ryder (aged 8) in the 1871 Census with father Thomas and mother Emma with place of birth of Devonport which would certainly fit in with subsequent Ryders.

Thanks again
Roger