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Title: All in this together, some are coping, some are not..
Post by: amandria on Saturday 11 April 20 12:07 BST (UK)
Each day I have two melt downs.. after a good cry I always feel much better.. I worry so much about my older kids and grand kids.. Are they taking this seriously ? are they social distancing themselves... My oldest daughter was working at James Cook hospital a few weeks ago.. And my heart was in my mouth.. as she has two small toddlers. My youngest son is still with me and is 16 and autistic.. This is effecting him so bad, so when I have my mini breakdowns/ melt downs or what ever you call it .. I cry in private, I know he will be devastated to see me cry and get upset.. so I need to be strong. I have a journal in which I write down all my thoughts every odd day or so.. I am trying to teach my self how to knit and I love music.. Music gets me through this more than anything... And I am lucky to have a garden.. I am so sorry for those who do not have a garden And I am so sorry to those who are really really struggling with this... it is heartbreaking for all. but we have to find things which we love doing and also to find new things to learn and to distract our minds... I am going to get back on track with my family history.  And I think its so good to be able to come on here and express ourselves and get things off our minds.. right now my heart is pounding out of my chest.. My hubby has just came back from doing our shopping and bought crisps and chocolate for this Easter weekend and my eyes lit up hahaha ohhh I cant wait to get stuck into that lot.. I am also worried about putting on loads of weight and getting unhealthy... its said that we really need to take care of our bodies and eat healthy because if any of us get this dreaded corona.. we need to be strong to fight it off.... The nasty evil bleeding THING... I really hope that it dies out soon....LETS JUST KICK ITS ARSE! some one please tell me it will die soon.. ?flaming heck what a mess the world is in right now... but I send all my love to each and every one of you, and your families... stay as safe as you can and dont be worried about coming on here and poring your heart out... we are all allowed to share how we feel at this time... I am so grateful for this lovely group,   its something else to keep us all going isn't it.  I am going now cuz I have lots of bags of crisps and chocolate bars to wipe clean with antibacterial wipes. 
Title: Re: All in this together, some are coping, some are not..
Post by: IgorStrav on Saturday 11 April 20 13:29 BST (UK)
Let me be the first to send LOADS OF HUGS RIGHT BACK AT YOU  :D :D :D :D :D

Title: Re: All in this together, some are coping, some are not..
Post by: Rena on Saturday 11 April 20 13:39 BST (UK)
I hope you find a solution soon.  Your posting set me thinking - Why I used to get stressed.

I was stressed from 1967 through 1969 but it wasn't until we moved out of our fifth floor apartment in Holland that I suddenly felt calm and it was then that I realised how tightly wound up I had been.  The reason for that was we had two small tots and I'd heard stories of other tots falling from on high down to the ground.

A few years passed by and we'd decorated our house in England with the latest vibrant colour scheme.   The year we changed that colour scheme to the latest very calming Wedgewood blues was the year I discovered how much colours can influence  our moods.

 
Title: Re: All in this together, some are coping, some are not..
Post by: Roobarb on Saturday 11 April 20 20:10 BST (UK)
Amandria, are you reading or watching the news a lot? If so, stop!! I drove myself into such a state at the very beginning of this, before the lockdown, I was reading the news throughout the day and watching the TV broadcasts.
I decided to only read the news once a day, that's after I've had a couple of cups of tea in the morning and psyched myself up to it. After that I ignore it, everything will go on whether I read about it that day or not. The only time I deviated from that was when I saw that the Prime Minister was to make an announcement, which I watched. That was when he announced that there was to be a lockdown.  I wished I hadn't watched it, I couldn't believe what our country and the whole world was coming to, I sat and cried for a couple of hours. That didn't help me at all, please cut down on your news consumption if it's high. Consume the chocolate instead!

I have a close friend whose daughter is a nurse at James Cook hospital, they're very matter of fact about it while I'm in awe! I'm sure that everyone appreciated your daughter's work there.

I've had a lot of support from other Rootschatters, I was feeling very down yesterday and after I'd voiced that there were kind words to help me. I hope you feel better after the chocolate, it's definitely a cure for all ills!  :D

Take care
Title: Re: All in this together, some are coping, some are not..
Post by: Crumblie on Saturday 11 April 20 20:15 BST (UK)
I agree Roobarb, right from the beginning I chose to ignore a lot of the news. In my opinion both the TV and the newspapers have gone totally over the top with their reporting. When people are confined to barracks they do not want a constant avalanche of bad news and scaremongering.
Title: Re: All in this together, some are coping, some are not..
Post by: ThrelfallYorky on Sunday 12 April 20 17:35 BST (UK)
The news can be very depressing, especially if you watch a late evening one, prior to heading for bed. There's nothing we can say that will lift the feeling from you, but I suspect that simply you are feeling what many others are, but you are honestly admitting it.
I used to say to people who I know who were stressed that if worrying would help, I'd sit down right by them and worry, too - but often talking worries through with a friend, or, if you can, member of family, will help you a little to clarify exactly what you worry about, and if there is indeed anything within your power to do about it. Telling of your worries here is a start - simply getting them communicated can help the calming process. You are not alone... but it can feel that way.
Avoiding the news may not help, but try to keep it in its place. Information should not be the same as stress and torture.
Best wishes to you.
Title: Re: All in this together, some are coping, some are not..
Post by: Lisajb on Monday 13 April 20 13:27 BST (UK)
Dear Amandria

You are not alone, I am struggling too.

I have been let off work as I am a type 1 diabetic with slightly reduced kidney function. My employers wanted us to work on a week in, week out basis. Except they wanted me to share someone else’s computer, I said that wasn’t ok, did they have other options for me, and was told to stay home until advised.

I don’t actually like the job too much, but now I am worried that they will decide that they don’t need me, and give me the push. Or, if they don’t, I will be so hated when I do go back, for trying to protect myself, that it will be intolerable to work there (it was sometimes anyway.)

My children have both left home, one lives 5 minutes away so we can see him, observing appropriate distancing. My daughter lives 2 hours drive away, and I miss her so much.

I am terrified of catching this bug. With my medical conditions I expect that I would not survive it.  My husband drags me out for our government approved exercise, but then I worry I will somehow catch covid19 from merely breathing.

I have things to do but cannot settle to any of it for more than 10 minutes.

We’re lucky enough to have an apartment in Cyprus. We had two flights booked, May and September. May will probably not take place, all easyjet want to offer me is change the flight, or a voucher. And that will be more stress from work - “you’ve had weeks off, and now you want a holiday as well?”
Title: Re: All in this together, some are coping, some are not..
Post by: suey on Monday 13 April 20 20:10 BST (UK)
Dear Amandria

You are not alone, I am struggling too.

I have been let off work as I am a type 1 diabetic with slightly reduced kidney function. My employers wanted us to work on a week in, week out basis. Except they wanted me to share someone else’s computer, I said that wasn’t ok, did they have other options for me, and was told to stay home until advised.

I don’t actually like the job too much, but now I am worried that they will decide that they don’t need me, and give me the push. Or, if they don’t, I will be so hated when I do go back, for trying to protect myself, that it will be intolerable to work there (it was sometimes anyway.)

My children have both left home, one lives 5 minutes away so we can see him, observing appropriate distancing. My daughter lives 2 hours drive away, and I miss her so much.

I am terrified of catching this bug. With my medical conditions I expect that I would not survive it.  My husband drags me out for our government approved exercise, but then I worry I will somehow catch covid19 from merely breathing.

I have things to do but cannot settle to any of it for more than 10 minutes.

We’re lucky enough to have an apartment in Cyprus. We had two flights booked, May and September. May will probably not take place, all easyjet want to offer me is change the flight, or a voucher. And that will be more stress from work - “you’ve had weeks off, and now you want a holiday as well?”

It sounds to me as though when this is finally over you need to find another job.  Unless that job is worth more to you than your life then stay at home!  No job is worth making yourself miserable over.

Someone once told me there’s no point in worrying over things you have no control over.  Easier said than done I know. 
Life for many many people won’t be the same after this, but we’ll all get through it somehow.
I still have the daily wobble, restless nights but hey another day done and please god another day closer to normality...whatever that is  :D



Title: Re: All in this together, some are coping, some are not..
Post by: Roobarb on Monday 13 April 20 21:56 BST (UK)

We’re lucky enough to have an apartment in Cyprus. We had two flights booked, May and September. May will probably not take place, all easyjet want to offer me is change the flight, or a voucher. And that will be more stress from work - “you’ve had weeks off, and now you want a holiday as well?”

Lisa, you are entitled to a refund for the flight once Easyjet have confirmed that the flight will not go ahead, don't let them fob you off with a voucher or change of flight. Martin Lewis, the money saving expert has answered questions on this regularly and he emphasizes that you are entitled to a refund. Here's his article:

https://www.moneysavingexpert.com/news/2020/02/coronavirus-travel-help-and-your-rights/#vouchersnotrefunds

As for your job, I agree with Suey that you need to find another job. There may be reasons you feel you can't, maybe further to travel, but believe me it's not worth staying in a job that blights your life if you can possibly get out of it. I speak from bitter experience.

Good luck.
Title: Re: All in this together, some are coping, some are not..
Post by: sonofthom on Monday 13 April 20 22:21 BST (UK)
Unfortunately the BBC and most newspapers seem to be relentlessly negative and often outrageously over the top. For your peace of mind avoid them at all costs. Lockdown cannot continue for much longer without doing irreversible damage to our economy and way of life so I would guess that it will start to unwind in a couple of weeks or so. The Government needs to start offering a more positive message and showing how they will start to move out of lockdown. If they want people to continue to support them they need to show that there is a gain to be made following their strategy. Awkwardly for the Government people are increasingly noticing that Sweden is faring better than the UK without the draconian restrictions that we have imposed, although they are perhaps pointing to the way out of this mess for us.

As for Macron imposing a further month of lockdown in France this seems way over the top to me and I do wonder if he will lose the support of the people.

I hope and believe that things will start to improve soon.
Title: Re: All in this together, some are coping, some are not..
Post by: Mike in Cumbria on Monday 13 April 20 23:03 BST (UK)
If they want people to continue to support them they need to show that there is a gain to be made following their strategy. Awkwardly for the Government people are increasingly noticing that Sweden is faring better than the UK without the draconian restrictions that we have imposed, although they are perhaps pointing to the way out of this mess for us.

The gain is that our NHS isn't overwhelmed, people are getting the treatment they would expect and people aren't being left to die in corridors.

As for Sweden, time will tell whether their more relaxed approach will turn out better or worse in the long run. Their infection and death rates are now rising sharply.
Title: Re: All in this together, some are coping, some are not..
Post by: sonofthom on Tuesday 14 April 20 08:02 BST (UK)
The Swedish infection rate is approximately one third lower than that of the uk while in respect of deaths at 167 per million the UK is much worse than Sweden's 91 per million. Daily new cases are falling in Sweden and deaths are falling even faster.

Nobody wishes hospitals in the UK to be overwhelmed but equally few people would wish the destruction of our economy with the very real long term damage that this would cause, not least to the NHS. Also many people will be aware of particularly cruel ways in which the current lockdown had affected individuals.

Starting to reduce the lockdown will offer hope to people and will help to reduce the very real distress being suffered by some. A sensible approach to ending lockdown need not prejudice the position of the NHS and will reduce the long term damage being done to our economy - do not underestimate the damage to society as a whole that a wrecked economy will wreak. Surely we have the right to expect our Government to be sufficiently capable to begin the return to normality in ways that keep any perceived risks at a manageable level.

This is what other countries are doing.
Title: Re: All in this together, some are coping, some are not..
Post by: roopat on Tuesday 14 April 20 08:46 BST (UK)
The Government needs to start offering a more positive message and showing how they will start to move out of lockdown. If they want people to continue to support them they need to show that there is a gain to be made following their strategy.


I'm not doing it to 'support the government' - basically I'm doing it for myself. I'm not ready to leave my beloved family just yet so I am protecting myself. In turn I hope that by the majority doing as we've been told, if/when I get the virus there will be capacity in my local hospital to get me better. So that I can be with my family again and see my grandchildren grow up a bit more. All selfish I know. I'm terrified the lockdown will be ended prematurely & all my sacrifice and self- isolation will have been for nothing. When I say 'I', of course this applies to all the millions of us just getting on with it as best we can.


I have down moments at the thought I might never hug them again but however long it takes I'm going to grit my teeth & do my best to see it through. I don't have any better solutions than we've been offered & I think it's much too early to draw comparisons with other countries.


Pat
Title: Re: All in this together, some are coping, some are not..
Post by: Rishile on Tuesday 14 April 20 09:10 BST (UK)
I agree Roopat.

My top priority is ALWAYS my husband (we have no children).  I have high regard and a lot of faith in our NHS and would not wish it to come to any harm.  With these two reasons in mind I am happy to have some discomfort and distress.  Of course, we all want it to end but what's the point if it starts off again without us having a vaccine or being ready to cope with another wave.

As yet, nobody knows what is the right or wrong thing to do.  All countries seem to be using different tactics but it's too soon to know which country is right.  The world is in a situation we have not seen in our lifetime so we can only hope that we are doing the best thing with the information the government has.

Rishile
Title: Re: All in this together, some are coping, some are not..
Post by: Caw1 on Tuesday 14 April 20 09:21 BST (UK)
It worries me greatly that the government will feel pressured by the media who constantly ask the question of when and how the lockdown will end.

Most people have stuck to what we've been asked to do, it's for the safety of all of us to not put pressure on the NHS, think of our fellows and not to be selfish.

 I like others feel sad at not being able to see my family and to give them the hugs they normally have but I will put up with that if it keeps them and us safe from this dreadful virus.

Of course the economy needs to function, I understand that, but not if it's going to cost more lives by getting going to soon. Yes, the children do need to get back to school, they're social beings and it's just as hard for them not to be with their friends but it all has to be slowly slowly.

It's a concern for all of us worrying about what the future holds and in time we will find out. We need to protect the vulnerable and stay safe, be patient and take little steps and not be bullied into opening up too soon and then find we're going through the whole situation again.

Have trust and faith in those who are trying to do the best for all of us.

Caroline
Title: Re: All in this together, some are coping, some are not..
Post by: louisa maud on Tuesday 14 April 20 09:25 BST (UK)
I am not watching the news if I can help it, I think my husband seems to be affected by this more than I am, won't go into details but it affects the mood of the house sadly, BUT we just have to get on with it, stay safe and try not to do the things the Govt tell us not to do , I do go shopping only once a week and am very careful, had no joy with logging onto any supermarket for delivery, But, we have each other whereas lots are on their own and worried, I feel for them, I try to keep my eye out on one particular person  each day and I ring around my church friends and try to end up with a laugh

Someone wrote recently about the church isn't doing very much, I refute that as most clergy are either sending out info through the post of online, anyone can log into see a service going on somewhere if you like that sort of thing, might give some people comfort

Louisa Maud
Title: Re: All in this together, some are coping, some are not..
Post by: Lisajb on Tuesday 14 April 20 09:31 BST (UK)

We’re lucky enough to have an apartment in Cyprus. We had two flights booked, May and September. May will probably not take place, all easyjet want to offer me is change the flight, or a voucher. And that will be more stress from work - “you’ve had weeks off, and now you want a holiday as well?”

Lisa, you are entitled to a refund for the flight once Easyjet have confirmed that the flight will not go ahead, don't let them fob you off with a voucher or change of flight. Martin Lewis, the money saving expert has answered questions on this regularly and he emphasizes that you are entitled to a refund. Here's his article:

https://www.moneysavingexpert.com/news/2020/02/coronavirus-travel-help-and-your-rights/#vouchersnotrefunds

As for your job, I agree with Suey that you need to find another job. There may be reasons you feel you can't, maybe further to travel, but believe me it's not worth staying in a job that blights your life if you can possibly get out of it. I speak from bitter experience.

Good luck.

Easyjet have now got a rolling 7 day flight cancellation thing going - apparently the closer yours gets, the more options are opened to you.

Yes, I do need to leave the job, but it’s not a very good time to be looking now  :)
Title: Re: All in this together, some are coping, some are not..
Post by: Skoosh on Tuesday 14 April 20 09:49 BST (UK)
@ Mike, how did you get on with the volunteering kid?

A nice wee bit of writing for those unable to get away to the hills at this time & suffering from cabin-fever!

https://bellacaledonia.org.uk/2020/04/12/bealach-horn/

Skoosh.
Title: Re: All in this together, some are coping, some are not..
Post by: suey on Tuesday 14 April 20 09:49 BST (UK)

Public Health Agency of Sweden - see here folkhalsomyndigheten have published guidelines for the country, not as strict as here but with a population of 10 million Swedes don’t live quite so cheek by jowl as we do here in the UK.  Swedes for the most part are listening to advice and more importantly following advice.  Unlike some mindless plonkers in this country.
I agree numbers in Sweden seem to be dropping as of today, but they had a sharp drop as of 3rd April  followed by a sharp increase, taking them back where they started. I don’t think we can compare ourselves to Sweden.

Time will tell.

I for one am not ready to go out into the world just yet thank you.
Title: Re: All in this together, some are coping, some are not..
Post by: candleflame on Tuesday 14 April 20 10:18 BST (UK)
Amandria, you are not alone in feeling stressed. If we were all honest, we will all have been stressed to a lesser or greater degree at some point during this situation.
My latest wobble was when someone who I had expected might keep in touch more during this crisis, but hadn't, suddenly got in touch but wasn't very kind and it made me wobble and want to retreat back into the safety of my own thoughts ( I'm an introvert who bottles stuff up.)  Before someone says I'd expected the someone to keep in touch more wasn't a one sided thing, I'd been texting them every day or every other day to them with a cheery morning how are you doing and any 'news'  such as it was. I'd also offered to FaceTime them but they hadn't sounded keen so I hadn't wanted to intrude if I wasn't wanted.
So when I had my wobble it lasted into the following morning , so to break the cycle, I changed my routine and actually went and did the weekly shop including eye drops at the chemist a day earlier than I would have done. Driving out and standing in the queues in the fresh air and getting what I needed, just broke the cycle, so I felt stronger when I got back.
My anxiety over this person and the next texts still persists, but it's back at a manageable level. They admitted they'd been thoughtless so it's onwards and upwards. All of our feelings are a bit heightened at the minute I think.
Take care - from a fellow North East of Englander , so I can picture James Cook Hospital and it's awful car park-  experienced when my late Father was in there many years ago!!!
Title: Re: All in this together, some are coping, some are not..
Post by: louisa maud on Tuesday 14 April 20 10:33 BST (UK)
"They admitted they'd been thoughtless so it's onwards and upwards."

I think this is because they are worried, my husband has been awful over the last few days,  towards me as it happens because I think he is concerned, luckily I have kept quiet about it, he does have a few health issues but nothing major, in fact we are not deemed to be vulnerable , couldn't get a shopping slot,  he is 80

My husband has a blood test in a local hospital tomorrow,  have offered to make him a mask, " they wear masks" he says, but what about Joe Bloggs we might pass on the way, I have made myself one this morning, no sewing involved, will I feel silly, well yes I will because it is bright red and white, but I don't really care, he might walk 2 meters behind me !!

Louisa Maud
Title: Re: All in this together, some are coping, some are not..
Post by: candleflame on Tuesday 14 April 20 10:39 BST (UK)
My husband has a blood test in a local hospital tomorrow,
Louisa Maud

A different friend of mine had to go for a blood test and had to travel to what the doctors called ' the clean surgery'. They had split their sites and only one was doing all the normal medical things . She was worried that she'd be stopped by the police for the distance she had to drive! So even when it's for a good reason and is a permitted reason to go out, it still causes the human part of us to worry.
Hope your hospital trip goes well LM.
Title: Re: All in this together, some are coping, some are not..
Post by: ThrelfallYorky on Tuesday 14 April 20 15:58 BST (UK)
We're mostly putting up with all the restrictions because there really doesn't seem a safe alternative, does there? A day out by the seaside might well cost quite a few lives in the long run, as the thin end of the wedge.
I'm lucky, we have a decent sized garden, and I've been going to the supermarket just once a week, and the temptation to whizz off somewhere just for the hell of it is strong, but not too strong to resist.

Because I really do want to come through the other side of all this, with all the people who are important to me and mine. so I'm trying to keep the news in proportion, and watching a lot of old "Poirot"s for light relief ... he always sorts it out in the end .... when I emerge from gardening, housework and reading.

We're all probably more worried than we want to let on, because there are no right answers or clear paths through it all. So let's keep ******ing on, and cope. As usual.
Title: Re: All in this together, some are coping, some are not..
Post by: louisa maud on Tuesday 14 April 20 17:08 BST (UK)
Candleflame, I expect I will go with my husband and  pick him up, otherwise it is a £3 car park charge, I have made myself a mask, will use it if I have to

Popped to our local shops today, so many are wearing masks, lots are different but don't appear to be home made, a lot seemed to be the same as hospital ones, I wonder where they can be bought from?, mine, well I had a neckerchief I must have bought on holiday years ago,  it will be a case of seeing me coming, red and white

After all this does down and we get back to some sort of normality we won't have anything to talk about, or will we ?



Louisa Maud
Title: Re: All in this together, some are coping, some are not..
Post by: Roobarb on Tuesday 14 April 20 17:12 BST (UK)

Yes, I do need to leave the job, but it’s not a very good time to be looking now  :)

Of course not.  :) I hope you manage to find something where they treat you better when all this is over.

Louisa Maud, I'm sure we'll manage to find a few things to talk about after this is over. Who knows, it might even be family history!  :D

Title: Re: All in this together, some are coping, some are not..
Post by: River Tyne Lass on Wednesday 15 April 20 11:08 BST (UK)
sonofthom, regarding your post 9, I do agree with you that those responsible for handling/presenting the news have been/are 'relentlessly negative and often outrageously over the top'. 

I do wonder about why they are doing this?  Is it to terrorise/demoralise the public so much that those who might be tempted to disobey our lockdown strategies will be less likely to do so? 
However, I am concerned about the negative impact that this will likely be having on the general public.  Surely it will be counterproductive to the NHS to have larger  numbers of people than usual descend into clinical depression/nervous exhaustion or to worsen the condition of people who have existing mental health problems .. all through worry and anxiety instilled from news presentation.

I also agree that for own mental well-being there might be times when it might be better for us to either limit our news intake or even avoid this altogether.

Before the libraries shut down I used to do voluntary Great War & WW2 history research.  I must say that I feel there is a huge difference in which war news was presented back then compared to how the coronavirus news is being presented.  It seems to me that back in the days of the Great War and during WW2, news was much more balanced and positive slants/stories sought out and emphasised.  I think this is what helped give the people the strength to survive and be enabled to 'keep calm and carry on.' 

Consider if the immensely successful 'Dig for Victory' campaign had been entitled 'Dig or Die of Starvation' instead?  Just words, but the second phrase immediately helps engender a despondent, defeatist mindset, wouldn't you agree? 

I am not suggesting that people responsible for the news now should withhold anything negative or not encourage us to keep safe.  It is just I think they should try to make a better job of it - a constant, top heavy parading of doom and gloom, despair and scaremongering is not good for any of us.

Title: Re: All in this together, some are coping, some are not..
Post by: Crumblie on Wednesday 15 April 20 11:19 BST (UK)
What is happening now cannot really be compared to WW1/WW2 because during both wars the news was censored and delayed to avoid the enemy finding out things like which targets had been hit, how many casualities there were etc.  The news at the moment should be accurate instead of speculative or scaremongering. At the same the government should be very careful about they say, for instance they said at the beginning that elderly people and those with pre-existing conditions were most at risk. Consequently teenagers and those in their 20s think they are immune and therefore the rules do not apply to them. The government is now denying that there is a problem with things like gowns, masks etc. when it is quite clear to everyone not in the government that there is. Someone needs to stand up and say "I/we got it wrong".
Title: Re: All in this together, some are coping, some are not..
Post by: louisa maud on Wednesday 15 April 20 11:30 BST (UK)
Roobarb, pity there isn't more family history queries going through at the moment that I can get stuck into

Louisa Maud
Title: Re: All in this together, some are coping, some are not..
Post by: IgorStrav on Wednesday 15 April 20 17:11 BST (UK)
Someone needs to stand up and say "I/we got it wrong".

Rather than, for instance “I’m sorry if you feel I/we got it wrong”
?
Title: Re: All in this together, some are coping, some are not..
Post by: Roobarb on Wednesday 15 April 20 17:45 BST (UK)
I used to read the Daily Mall app every day. I know they've been widely accused of fake news but the reason I read it was because they nearly always had the news first, regardless of where in the world it was from. They had news from my local area before the BBC and well before the local newspaper. However, even then I wouldn't read some of the stories because they were too graphic and they were often guilty of scaremongering. I dread to think what they're publishing now so I avoid it.

I think we all just want straight talking. If the experts don't know I prefer to listen to the ones who admit that. And I see no point in the questions like the ones on the Coronavirus Q&A programme, such as someone asking whether the lockdown took place at the right time. The medical and scientific experts are learning as they go on and I don't think anyone should be looking to apportion blame about doing something that was deemed to be the right thing at the time. I wouldn't want to be in their position. 
Title: Re: All in this together, some are coping, some are not..
Post by: Guy Etchells on Wednesday 15 April 20 18:24 BST (UK)
Candleflame, I expect I will go with my husband and  pick him up, otherwise it is a £3 car park charge, I have made myself a mask, will use it if I have to

Popped to our local shops today, so many are wearing masks, lots are different but don't appear to be home made, a lot seemed to be the same as hospital ones, I wonder where they can be bought from?, mine, well I had a neckerchief I must have bought on holiday years ago,  it will be a case of seeing me coming, red and white

After all this does down and we get back to some sort of normality we won't have anything to talk about, or will we ?



Louisa Maud

Louisa Maud, please don't use a homemade mask that can be more dangerous than not wearing one at all. If your breath makes the mask damp that not only allows the virus to penetrate the mask easily but if warm and damp can allow the virus to thrive. In addition there is also a problem when taking the mask of of transferring any virus caught on the outside of the mask on your hands or even shaking it into the air in your house or car.

Masks are really most effective for preventing an infected person from spreading the virus to others.

Cheers
Guy
Title: Re: All in this together, some are coping, some are not..
Post by: louisa maud on Wednesday 15 April 20 18:51 BST (UK)
Thank you for that info Guy, I will heed your information re home made masks, not worn it yet

Louisa Maud
Title: Re: All in this together, some are coping, some are not..
Post by: suey on Wednesday 15 April 20 19:10 BST (UK)

I have made masks, washable cotton fabric, from a pattern on the internet. I made liners from a pillow protector, the ones that filter dust and dust mites.  I’m wearing it whatever, it gives me peace of mind.

The bl***dy health minister this morning swore blacks blue that all CQC registered care homes have been provided with masks, the woman is a disgrace.  My daughter works in one such care home, not a sign of any protective equipment, 😡
Title: Re: All in this together, some are coping, some are not..
Post by: Rishile on Wednesday 15 April 20 19:22 BST (UK)
I wouldn't want to be in their position.

I have used this argument many times.  It is very easy, with hindsight, to say what is/was the best thing to do but I wouldn't want to be the person that has to make that decision considering all the consequences of that action - and there are many consequences of any decision.

Rishile
Title: Re: All in this together, some are coping, some are not..
Post by: IgorStrav on Wednesday 15 April 20 20:47 BST (UK)
Just following up the masks question:

if you arrange that your home-made mask is a double (or more) layer, then you can put a folded piece of kitchen towel (if you have any of course) between the folds to absorb the moisture as you breathe.

On returning home, immediately remove the kitchen roll and throw away, take off the mask and put it in the wash straight away and then wash your hands.

You need a fresh mask for each trip.
Title: Re: All in this together, some are coping, some are not..
Post by: confusion on Wednesday 15 April 20 21:19 BST (UK)
Quote
suey:
I have made masks, washable cotton fabric, from a pattern on the internet. I made liners from a pillow protector, the ones that filter dust and dust mites.  I’m wearing it whatever, it gives me
peace of mind.

That is an absolute no no Do not use. When your breathe in and out minute fibres from the product are being displaced into the air. If you have the virus you are contaminating the atmosphere and putting everyone at risk. if you dont have it you are more likely to pick it up from the users of these homemade masks.
Have you thought that the majority of people wearing masks may well be carrying the virus and not protecting themselves but trying to protect others.

Warning Latex Gloves:
Using latex gloves can put other peoples lives at risk, because you don't know who is going to touch any article after you have.

Latex proteins cause immediate allergy reactions that develop within minutes to an hour of contact with the rubber item.
This happens because the immune system reacts to the latex proteins as if they were harmful.

Sometimes a widespread reaction can develop at other body sites with swelling of the face, especially around the eyelids and lips.

A severe allergic reaction called anaphylaxis can occur, with dizziness, low blood pressure, feeling faint, breathing difficulty, swelling of the throat and collapse.

Are you willing to compromise someone else's life?

 




Title: Re: All in this together, some are coping, some are not..
Post by: groom on Thursday 16 April 20 13:22 BST (UK)
This is worth reading the quote made by Captain Tom Moore after finishing his 100 laps and raising £13 million for the NHS.

'It will all be right'
Shortly after he finished the fundraiser, the retired soldier had words of advice for the nation about coping with the coronavirus lockdown.

"You've all got to remember that we will get through it in the end, it will all be right," he said.

"For all those people finding it difficult at the moment, the sun will shine on you again and the clouds will go away.
"
Title: Re: All in this together, some are coping, some are not..
Post by: louisa maud on Thursday 16 April 20 13:42 BST (UK)
Ah Groom, lovely words

Louisa Maud
Title: Re: All in this together, some are coping, some are not..
Post by: *Sandra* on Thursday 16 April 20 13:44 BST (UK)
Fabulous...........£13,584,096.12 and still going...........................
Title: Re: All in this together, some are coping, some are not..
Post by: IgorStrav on Thursday 16 April 20 13:50 BST (UK)
Ah Groom, lovely words

Louisa Maud

"Everything will be all right in the end.  And if it's not all right, it's not the end"

Credit Kermode and Mayo's Film Review, aka Wittertainment programme/podcast (highly recommended).
Title: Re: All in this together, some are coping, some are not..
Post by: Caw1 on Thursday 16 April 20 13:55 BST (UK)
To see someone like Cpt. Tom do what he is doing is truely inspirational and makes you feel a bit brighter.
The same as seeing the lady who is 106 leaving the hospital after going through CV, some of these older folk are certainly made of strong stuff.

Make sure you feel very humble indeed.


Caroline
Title: Re: All in this together, some are coping, some are not..
Post by: Skoosh on Thursday 16 April 20 15:24 BST (UK)
A friend of mine has turned her kitchen into a workshop & with the aid of her sewing machine is making face-masks & visors. the more she makes the more they want & so keeps herself busy!  ;D

Skoosh.
Title: Re: All in this together, some are coping, some are not..
Post by: BumbleB on Thursday 16 April 20 16:27 BST (UK)
And someone else walking for the NHS - a 6 year old boy - Hector from Wetherby:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-england-leeds-52200548
Title: Re: All in this together, some are coping, some are not..
Post by: BumbleB on Thursday 16 April 20 17:15 BST (UK)
On my return walk from the postbox, someone, obviously a child, had left a rainbow pebble to the "key workers" on the grass verge.  :)
Title: Re: All in this together, some are coping, some are not..
Post by: suey on Thursday 16 April 20 17:46 BST (UK)

People in my area are being very good also.  Making laundry bags for washing scrubs, face masks, donating hand creams and body lotion and other toiletries. One hospital asked for tea bags, milk and biscuits, energy bars, because they usually bought from the hospital shop which had closed and the nearest shop is too far to pop out to, I think they were inundated  :D