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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: Jeans Girl on Monday 13 April 20 03:20 BST (UK)
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Hello All,
Iam looking for connections to or any information about the following.
Walter Anderson b 1872 Pleasant Creek Victoria Australia
James Anderson b 1873 Pleasant Creek Victoria Australia
Their parents were James Anderson b 1838 Scotland d 1883 Dimboola Victoria
and Margaret Wingate b 1848 Scotland d 1882 Dimbool Victoria
I have searched but not been able to find what became of the children.
Your help would be much appreciated
Thank You
Margaret in New Zealand
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This would be the place to start.
https://www.bdm.vic.gov.au/
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Thank You I have already searched the site but not found them
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You have probably thought of this already.
As the boys were so young when James and Margaret died, and were obviously cared for by others, family or not, it's quite possible they took on the surname/s of the people who took care of them. Do you know of any relatives they may have had?
Judith
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yes i had thought of that and checked all the Wingate familys but nothing .
James had a sister Jane but not with her either
Margaret
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1882 / 1202 BDM VIC death
ANDERSON Margaret parents Margaret UNKNOWN / Walter Wingate
died Dimboola age 33 spouse ANDERSON, James
Can you clarify please - Walter, b. 1872, and James, b. 1873, are the only children born to James ANDERSON and Margaret WINGATE..........no other children?
Who is the informant on the death certificate for James ANDERSON, d. 1883?
What was the cause of death for Margaret ANDERSON, d. 1882?
What was the cause of death for James ANDERSON, d. 1883?
Where are they buried?
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They are both buried at Dimboola, in the old section. Section K, plot 108.
http://www.australiancemeteries.com.au/vic/hindmarsh/dimboola_2011.htm
Judith
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They are both buried at Dimboola, in the old section. Section K, plot 108.
http://www.australiancemeteries.com.au/vic/hindmarsh/dimboola_2011.htm
Judith
‘They’ being the folks and not the two boys.
Did the sons have middle names?
Jamjar
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James died from an overdose of medicine have the coroners report he drank the whole bottle thinking it was alcohol. there was only the two children and dont know what margaret died of.
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A marriage?:
5703/1897 ANDERSON Walt, HALL Emily
Jamjar
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The boys only had the one name no middle name on birth records.
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hoping to get parents names with records to confirm correct ones
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What is mentioned about them in their parents' death certificates?
i.e. were the boys still alive in 1882/3?
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Sorry - was replying to wivenhoe. As far as I can see it's only the parents who are buried at Dimboola.
1883 was a sad year for the family as I see Walter WINGATE, Margaret's father died 17 April, 1883. His will is on PROV and he left his watch to his grandson nephew Walter, 'as an heirloom to be kept sacred in memory of his grandfather.'
Edit to add - my mistake - see below
PROV shows that James ANDERSON died intestate but the record of where/how his estate was administered is not digitised. It can, apparently, be ordered and I wonder if this document might have information re the sons.
Judith
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yes i have that information but have not got the full report as its not digitised
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from the information re the watch the children must have still been alive in 1883
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from the information re the watch the children must have still been alive in 1883
I have to disagree ...
1 - James Anderson is not mentioned at all in grandfather Walter Wingate's will.
2 - An assumption is made that grandson Walter Wingate = Walter Anderson. I might have accepted that if there were no other grandchildren called Walter. However, it seems that Gabriel Wingate had a son called Walter Gilmour Wingate b 1867 in New Zealand.
So I have to repeat my question .. what is mentioned in the death certificates of James and Margaret Anderson ...
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Huge apologies - I have incorrectly transcribed the will of James WINGATE, died 1883.
The actual will shows bequests of all of his mining shares and money to his three sons: James, John and Andrew WINGATE minus 10 pounds to be given to Mrs Knox of Clunes as a token for her kindness. Then the Will states
"And to my nephew Walter WINGATE, I present my watch as a (sic) heirloom to be kept sacred in memory of his grandfather."
He appoints another son, Gabriel WINGATE as the executor - Gabriel is not mentioned in the bequests.
Thus the Walter WINGATE, nephew, who is given the watch is possibly be the son of one of the brothers of the Walter WINGATE the author of the will unless he was confused at the time of writing. The will was dated 19 March 1893 and he died 17 April 1883.
https://prov.vic.gov.au/explore-collection/explore-topic/wills-and-probates
Judith
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It doesn't change the story re the Anderson boys, but there is a second probate document in which Gabriel Wingate states:
“Walter Wingate stated in the will of the deceased to be his nephew, is his grandson. The deceased had no nephew”
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Margaret WINGATE married 1871, had child 1872, child born 1873...died 1882.
You need to see a death certificate for Margaret and for James.
It could be that there were only two children born early in their marriage, then no more children. If Margaret died from a chronic illness the sons might have been in care of others for years before her death.
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I Have an article from The Horsham Times Victoria 1882-1954 dated Friday March 1883.
It gives the outline of the death of James Anderson and states that he has left two small children.
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Hi Tree Spirit,
Thank You for your input.
Have posted a newspaper article date etc which states that James left two small boys when he died.
Margaret
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Here's the link to the newspaper article:
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/72872879
Judith
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Thank you judith ihave a copy of the article
Margaret
I have also checked out a marriage for a walt anderson and emily hall that was mentioned but it is not the family im looking for
Thank you
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Hi,
Do you have the Vic BDM images of the death registrations .... Vic BDM d.c. are downloaded directly, and are very detailed, even more detailed than NZ printouts. The informant should be named, it could be someone from Coroners office, or it could be a hospital attendant OR it could be the person who took in those two children ..
1882 / 1202 BDM VIC death
ANDERSON Margaret parents Margaret UNKNOWN / Walter Wingate
died Dimboola age 33 spouse ANDERSON, James
Can you clarify please - Walter, b. 1872, and James, b. 1873, are the only children born to James ANDERSON and Margaret WINGATE..........no other children?
Who is the informant on the death certificate for James ANDERSON, d. 1883?
What was the cause of death for Margaret ANDERSON, d. 1882? ..... ....
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I do not have the death certs i dont have the means to purchace on line ,
From the report in newspaper it states two small boys left
Or are the certs free to get?
Margaret
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Hi Margaret
I've sent you a PM :) Judith
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Not much useful information on that certificate.
When and where died: 24 March 1883, Dimboola,
Name: James Anderson
Male, 43 years, carpenter
Cause of death: Alcoholism coma
Duration of illness: one day
Medical attendant by whom certified and when he last saw deceased: Dr Bertram?, 24 March
Name and surname of parents (if known) including mother's maiden surname - unknown
Signature, description and address of the person who gave the information:
Walter Anderson, schoolboy, Dimboola
Signature of deputy registrar, date and where registered: Dennis Cahill, 26 March 1883, Dimboola
When and where buried: 24 March 1883 at Dimboola, Undertaker: J Papley?
Name and religion of Minister, or names of witnesses of burial:
P Coyne, A Tarran? the word 'witnesses' is written in this column - perhaps there was no religious minister
Place of birth of the deceased and how long he or she resided in the Australian colonies or states Edinburgh, Scotland. Not known how long in colony.
Name of spouse, Margaret Wingate
Place of marriage: unknown
Age at marriage; unknown
Names and ages of children of the deceased.
Walter, 11 years; James 9 years and seven months.
Oh my, how awful- his 11 year old son is the informant here.
This gives us a couple of names that may be useful - the witnesses to the burial - P Coyne and A or R Tarran?. These may be just staff for the undertaker.
Such a sad story for this little family.
Judith
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So sad.
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the brave lad knew his mum's maiden name ...
JM