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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Gloucestershire => Topic started by: queencorgi1 on Tuesday 14 April 20 15:53 BST (UK)
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Hi there, I have a death certificate on which the informant claims his father died at 14 Heathville Road in January 1901. However, the census two months later has no number 14! (I was checking to see who else was living at the address.) Does anyone know if the house numbers have been changed? If not does anyone know anything about Heathville Road at that date? The dead man had recently arrived from having spent 50 years in India and I am trying to work out what sort of place he'd settled in. Any thoughts from the great RootsChat brains welcomed!
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14 Heathville Road is in the 1911 Census, there were 12 rooms on three floors. There are a lot of houses without numbers in the road in the 1901 census.
Google Street view https://goo.gl/maps/HemgsuvtVJ4UAJvw8
Stan
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There are indeed, hence my confusion! It's baffling that the census taker didn't use the numbers if they had already been allocated. Thank you for your swift reply. I will go away and look at the entry for 1911 although obviously that doesn't give any certain guidance as to whom might have been living there in 1901.
Thank you for your swift reply, Stan!
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It looks as though he could have been the late owner
From the Gloucester Journal 12 September 1903
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That is extremely interesting, if somewhat surprising! Thomas Cochrane was a retired railway official who had, as I say, worked on the Indian railways for nearly fifty years. He left an estate in India valued at £1684, about £208,900 today -- a good sum. I haven't found any trace of a will for anything in England and wasn't expecting to, as he only arrived in England in June 1900. But the phrase 'late owner' is suggestive, I agree ... hmmm. (strokes chin thoughtfully)
Thank you again!
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LLoyd George Land Survey 1909
http://www.glos1909survey.org.uk
Searching for Heathville Road - there quite a few house numbers including
GA/D2428/1/35/1 - Hereditament Number 1212
Place: Gloucester
Income tax parish: Gloucester East
Occupied by: Paul, Walter (M)
People holding property: Paul, Walter (M) (owner)
Property:
Description: House
Address: 14, Heathville Road
Size: 1506 yards
Map Reference: 25.15.13 B (there is a detailed map - not all areas complete, needs to be checked)
Gross Value: £760
Size Value: £265
Buildings: £405
Taxable Value: £265
Poor Rate: Number 4301, Gross Value: £45, Rateable Value: £38
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Probate
Walter PAUL of Glenburn, 14 Heathville Road, Gloucester, died 1 March 1921
Probate LONDON 14 May to Walter Wyatt Paul and Arthur William Paul, farmer.
Effecrs: £10,705 6s. 7d.
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14 Heathville Road is in the 1911 Census, there were 12 rooms on three floors. There are a lot of houses without numbers in the road in the 1901 census.
Google Street view https://goo.gl/maps/HemgsuvtVJ4UAJvw8
Stan
Walter Paul was the occupier in the 1911 census. He was probably the buyer of the house in 1903.
Stan
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Although it has no relevance to the original post Walter Paul, who was retiring from farming, sold his farming stock of Twigworth Court Farm, two miles from Gloucester, in September 1904. The farm was part of the estate of the late Captain de Winton which was sold in 1903
Stan
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Thank you for that, chaps! I do find it surprising though if Thomas Cochrane had managed to buy a house in Gloucester so soon after arriving from India after such a long absence. He was a Scot (Dumfermline) with no connections to Gloucestershire.
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Could he have had a female relative, who had married one of the owner of number 14?
He could then have gone to live there with them.
Looking at the 1901 Census by street, I would suggest that the ones at the top of the list without numbers or names are the ones on that side of the road because all the numbered ones have odd numbers, (bar number 2).
The 1902 oldmap https://www.old-maps.co.uk/#/Map/383949/219069/12/100636 is the first one to show a house at that position, I would suggest the road was being developed from that junction northwards during the 1890's
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Hi there, thank you for your reply. Your comments about the house sound very plausible. As for Thomas, he came originally from Dumfermline in Scotland. His wife had died the previous year (in India) and his surviving children were living in America, Nigeria and Wales, so I'm scratching my head a bit as to why he was in Gloucester. I thought at first 14 Heathville Road was a boarding house but on the evidence of this thread this looks unlikely -- it seems to have been a pretty comfortable single-ownership property.
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Looking at the newspapers in the early 1900's some of the houses in Heathville Road had names, not numbers. Some of the houses were built by Edward E. Godwin, who died 22nd March 1903 at 12 Heathville Road, is he the late owner?. Just to add that there adverts for houses to let in Heathville Road, and it could be that the man was renting number 14 or was a boarder.
Froom the Gloucestershire Chronicle 18 April 1903
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Fascinating! It is extraordinary what details local newspapers will throw up. Thomas Cochrane was a 'superintendent' on the Bombay, Baroda and Central Indian Railway. He left £1,684 which would be the equivalent of about £208,000 today -- a very respectable amount for a working man to have amassed. I think it's therefore possible financially speaking that he could have been renting the house, but he was on his own -- why rent such a big property?
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Cheltenham Chronicle 14 July 1900 - Marriage of Alfred Dudley King Godwin, 3rd son of Mr G Godwin of 14 Heathville Road
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Thank you Rosie! That does suggest that the Godwins would still have been living there when Thomas Cochrane arrived (he attended his son's wedding in London in June). I've had a quick look through their records but can't see any connection to India or the Cochranes. Perhaps the Godwins just wanted a respectable lodger?? Is that likely?
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Cheltenham Chronicle 14 July 1900 - Marriage of Alfred Dudley King Godwin, 3rd son of Mr G Godwin of 14 Heathville Road
Alfred Dudley King Godwin is the son of Edward E. Godwin. Edward E. Godwin was a boarder with Laura Godwin, a widow at 12 Heathville Road in the 1901 census.
Stan
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So in July 1900 Edward E. Godwin lived at 14 Heathville Road, your man died at that address in January 1901, and in March 1901 Edward E. Godwin was living at 12 Heathville Road. It all depends when Edward moved out and who was living there in March 1901. With no numbers in the census it is not possible to be sure.
Stan
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Who knows, perhaps Edward moved out after he was traumatised by Thomas dropping dead?