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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: Geoffa on Wednesday 15 April 20 00:23 BST (UK)
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I am looking for the date and place of birth for the children of Alfred John Levey/Levee and Ida May Thomas. This is what I already know.
Hertyle Stanley. 27/2/1894. Qld. (Qld bdms)
Henry John 1899 Strathalbyn. (SA bdms)
Stella Gertrude 1900. Strathalbyn. (SA bdms)
John Frederick about 1903.
Garnet Alfred 22/11/1905. Beaconsfield. Tas. (War record).
Pearl Blanche. About 1906. Beaconsfield. Tas. ( marriage certificate).
Eric. about 1908.
Arthur Benjamin. 29/11/1909.
Finis Percival. about 1913.
Doris Frances. 1915. Campbelltown. NSW. (Nsw bdms).
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Details for the two born in SA.
LEVEY Henry John
Date: 15 June 1899
Father: Alfred John LEVEY
Mother: Ida Maud THOMAS
Birth Place/Residence: Strathalbyn
Str / 642 /127
LEVEY Stella Gertrude May
Date: 2 May 1900
Father: Alfred LEVEY
Mother: Ida Maud THOMAS
Birth Place/Residence: Strathalbyn
Str / 658 / 239
Essie
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Essie, Thank you, That is great information. There is the death of an Alfred Levey in 1899 in South Australia but I have not found his birth. Kind regards, Geoff.
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Geoff, a 3 y.o. child, so born 1895-1896
LEVEY Alfred
Date: 10 May 1899
Age: 3y
Relative: Alfred LEVEY (F)
Death Place: Strathalbyn
Str / 260 / 498
Essie
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Essie, Thank you for that information. Every bit helps to compile the family history. Kind regards, Geoff.
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Also a death for the infant Henry.
LEVEY Henry
Date: 10 August 1899
Age: 8w
Relative: Alfred LEVEY (F)
Death Place: Strathalbyn
Str / 263 / 101
Essie
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The parents of Doris F born 3764/1915 CAMPBELLTOWN are STANLEY and IDA M
Jamjar
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Geoff, a 3 y.o. child, so born 1895-1896
LEVEY Alfred
Date: 10 May 1899
Age: 3y
Relative: Alfred LEVEY (F)
Death Place: Strathalbyn
Str / 260 / 498
Essie
No mention in death notice of father. Stella is listed as deceased, 2nd column:
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article16987645
Jamjar
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Essie,
From the Southern Argus. Thursday 17 August 1899.
Sudden Death. — On Friday morning last
an infant son of Mr. and Mrs. Levey, of
Strathalbyn, died suddenly. The matter, was
reported to Mr. J. W. Elliott, J.P., who, after
making enquiries, decided that an inquest was
unnecessary. A great deal of sympathy is
felt for Mr. and Mrs. Levey, who have lost
two children within three months.
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Garnet Alfred 22/11/1905. Beaconsfield. Tas. (War record).
Pearl Blanche. About 1906. Beaconsfield. Tas. ( marriage certificate).
Eric. about 1908.
Arthur Benjamin. 29/11/1909.
?Surname change.
Births
LAWRENCE Garnet Alfred
Frederick Alfred LAWRENCE Mother Ida Maud THOMAS
21 Nov 1905
At Beaconsfield Reg#1305
LAWRENCE Pearl Blanch
Father Frederick Alfred LAWRENCE Mother Ida Maud THOMAS
21 Nov 1905
At Beaconsfield Reg#1306
LAWRENCE Eric Claude
Father Frederick Alfred LAWRENCE Mother Ida Maud THOMAS
23 Dec 1907
At Beaconsfield Reg#2090
LAWRENCE Arthur Benjamen
Father Frederick Alfred LAWRENCE Mother Ida Maud THOMAS
29 Nov 1909
At Burnie Reg#1434
Cando
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Cando, Thank you so much for that information. It is very interesting. The lady I am helping and for whom I am seeking this information, told me weeks ago that the "family story" was that her grandfather (Garnet Alfred) was not born a Levee. She thought perhaps his mother had remarried. My research of Alfred John Levey/Levee on Trove has brought up several mentions of his less than honest behaviour so a temporary name change would not be surprising.
Kind regards,
Geoff.
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You could understand the local registrar making an innocent error with a surname and even the given names as information was given verbally, however to have all Tasmanian births with the surname LAWRENCE certainly raises a few questions as to why.
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Hi Cando, Alfred John Levee's death notice in 1933 listes all the children.
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Use FamilySearch - Tasmania - births - browse - Beaconsfield - 1906 - image 2 0f 19
LAWRENCE Garnet Alfred b. Nov 21 Beaconsfield registered 19 Jan 1906
Father: LAWRENCE Frederick Alfred, 45 years old, born Montreal Canada, jeweller
Mother: LAWRENCE Ida May (formerly THOMAS)
married 14 Mar 1901 Adelaide 30 yrs Tarcowie SA
Same as above for Pearl Blanch
Informant father T LAWRENCE residence Beaconsfield
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Use FamilySearch - Tasmania - births - browse - Beaconsfield - 1908 - image 2 0f 18
Beaconsfield first born 23 Dec 1907 registered 1 Feb 1908
LAWRENCE Eric Claude
Father: LAWRENCE Frederick , 47 years, watchmaker, born Montreal Canada
Mother: LAWRENCE Ida May THOMAS 32 years born Tarcowie SA
married 17 Mar 1892 Adelaide SA
Informant T LAWRENCE residence Beaconsfield.
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Hi wivenhoe, Thank you for that information. It gives me a lot more to follow up. We did not know about the Canadian connection. Kind regards, Geoff.
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I’d say that as he married as Levey, but is using an alias and incorrect marriage year for the births, he may not have been from Canada. You will need the marriage cert for more - possibly - reliable information.
197/566 1898 LEVEY Alfred John to THOMAS Ida Maud Adelaide
Possibly him up for theft in Tas, 3rd column: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article151581334
Last column: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article38115630
2nd column, says he was elderly: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article38116113
If he was 78 at time of death then he was in his 51 at the time of the crime. Is that elderly?
Finally acquitted, the following year, 2nd column: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article151696503
Interesting, a daughter Estella looking for Alfred Levey, watchmaker/jeweller in 1909. 2nd column:
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article228080110
Could explain his name change, if he thought folk may be looking for him.
Jamjar
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Marriage details ::)
Groom: LEVEY Alfred John, aged 38, widower
Bride: THOMAS Ida Maud, aged 23, single
Date: 9 Nov 1898
Groom's Father: John LEVEY
Bride's Father: Thomas THOMAS
Place: St Luke Church Adelaide
Ade / 197/566
Essie
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Marriage:
Dec 1878 Islington 1b 653
LEVEY Alfred John
DAVIDSON Jeannette Flora
Death:
LEVEY, JEANETTE FLORA 64
GRO Reference: 1925 D Quarter in WANDSWORTH Volume 01D Page 711
His family in England 1891:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q6GN-SZM
Sister Gertrude with grandparents: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:3BXH-9MM
Wife alive in 1901: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X96X-FQD
Estella with uncle and aunt in 1901: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X9ZT-L13
Wife as Widowed in 1911: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWLT-79K
Children with mother:
John: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWLT-792
Henry: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWLT-79L
Sophia: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWLT-79G
LEVEY, ESTHER mmn DAVIDSON
GRO Reference: 1879 D Quarter in ISLINGTON Volume 01B Page 313
LEVEY, EDWARD mmn DAVIDSON
GRO Reference: 1886 M Quarter in ISLINGTON Volume 01B Page 437
LEVEY, GABRIEL HENRY mmn DAVIDSON
GRO Reference: 1887 S Quarter in ISLINGTON Volume 01B Page 392
LEVEY, SOPHIA MARIE mmn DAVIDSON
GRO Reference: 1889 M Quarter in HACKNEY Volume 01B Page 477
Gertrude married the boarder (see 1901):
Dec 1903 Hackney 1b 961
CUTTS Ernest Edward
LEVEY Gertrude
1911: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWG7-ZRB
Jamjar
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Amended birthplace of Gertrude to be Victoria, West Africa
Census 1901 @ 38 Gloucester Rd Tottenham
LEVEY Janetta head widow 41 living on own means b. Amsterdam
LEVEY John son 18y cycle manufacturers ass. b. Cape Town
LEVEY Gertrude dau 17y b. Victoria West Africa
LEVEY Henry son 13y b. Stoke Newington, London
LEVEY Sophia dau 12y b. Stoke Newington, London
CUTTS Ernest boarder 21y process *** clerk b. Holloway, London
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Well, it appears that someone else has been looking at this, but not made the Australian connection a definite:
https://www.british-genealogy.com/forum/threads/81317-ALFRED-LEVEY-JEANETTE-FLORA-DAVIDSON
Given the birth details, provided by Wivenhoe in reply #13, it looks like the same man to me.
Canada 1861:
Mother Gertrude a widow: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MM78-NY2
Alfred: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MM78-NYZ
He has quite a few siblings.
Jamjar
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Hi Jamjar, Thank you for all your detailed research. An article on Trove mentions him leaving Orroroo SA in July 1892 under interesting circumstances. He then had a son in Queensland in 1894 with Ida Maud Thomas who was born near Orroroo in 1875. They eventually returned to SA and married in 1898. I think it is reasonable to assume he had a 'past' when he went to Tasmania. kind regards, Geoff.
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Hi Essie, This what I have found about Ida Maud Thomas.
Alfred was married 9 November 1898 in Adelaide. South Australia to IDA MAUD THOMAS born 12 June 1875 at Pekina. (a locality just south of Orroroo) South Australia to parents Thomas Thomas and Ada Elizabeth Winfield married in South Australia in 1865. Thomas Thomas died 25 May 1883 at Saltia. SA aged 39 years and Ada Thomas died 3 December 1914 in Adelaide aged 68 years and 8 months.
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It would appear Alfred John Levey's brother Joseph Edwin Levey born in 1850 in Montreal came to Australia. He died in 1917 at Paddington. NSW. His death record shows John and Gertrude as his parents.
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It would appear Alfred John Levey's brother Joseph Edwin Levey born in 1850 in Montreal came to Australia. He died in 1917 at Paddington. NSW. His death record shows John and Gertrude as his parents.
He and his wife Sarah had a Jewish burial, at Rookwood.
Death and funeral notices, 5th column: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article221972054
There is a photo of the headstone:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01pbt/
Alfred was buried Rookwood COE, while his wife was cremated at Eastern Suburbs Crematorium.
Alfred, funeral notice, 1st column: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article16987614
Ida, death and funeral notices, 2nd and 6th columns: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article17988570
Jamjar
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Again the same person has Joseph covered: https://www.british-genealogy.com/forum/threads/81227-JOSEPH-EDWIN-LEVEY-SARA-COHEN
The marriage is incorrectly transcribed:
1117/1874 LEVEY Joseph to COHEN Lara SYDNEY
Have you tried contacting this Phillip, Geoff?
Jamjar
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Hi Jamjar, Thank you for all your work in locating all this information for me. I have joined British Genealogy and sent a message to Phillip. Kind regards, Geoff.
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Hi Jamjar, Thank you for all your work in locating all this information for me. I have joined British Genealogy and sent a message to Phillip. Kind regards, Geoff.
I hope he replies. I’m sure he’ll be interested in what has been found on Alfred.
Jamjar
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This is a summary of what I have found about Alfred John Levey.
ALFRED JOHN LEVEY was born 28 April 1855 in Montreal. Canada. He went to England and married Jeanette Flora Davidson in 1878 at Islington. Their first child, Esther (known as Estella Flora) was born in 1879 at Islington. They then went to South Africa when John was born about 1883 and Gertrude was born about 1884. After returning to England they had the following children. Edward born in 1886 at Islington, Gabriel Henry born in 1887 at Islington, Sophia Marie born in 1889 at Hackney and Henry John born in 1890 at Edmonton.
Alfred John Levey came to Australia and led a bit of a 'dodgy' life. In early July 1892 he suddenly left his watchmaker and jewellery business in Orroroo. South Australia. (Adelaide Observer SA. 30 July 1892). In October 1893 he left his watchmaker and jewellery business in Kilmore. Victoria again without notice. (Kilmore Free Press. Thursday 19 October 1893).
In February 1894 he and Ida Maud Thomas had a child in Queensland. Alfred Levey opened his watchmaker and jewellery shop in High St. Strathalbyn. South Australia in October 1898.
He was married 9 November 1898 in Adelaide. South Australia to IDA MAUD THOMAS.
Alfred and Ida left Strathalbyn and went to Tasmania sometime after May 1900 where they had several more children. Alfred Levey lived as Frederick Lawrence during the time they were in Tasmania.
In 1909 his daughter, Estella placed advertisements in Australian Newspapers looking for him. She said he had lived in London and South Africa and she now believed he may have came to Australia.
They were in Sydney by 1915. (birth of daughter). Alfred sometimes used the name Stanley Levee. (NSW BDM's 1915 birth of his daughter and other newspaper reports in 1918 relating to passing valueless cheques).
Alfred John Levee died 30 June 1933 at his residence, 24 Leonard Avenue, Kensington. Sydney aged 78 years. No parent's names were recorded on his death certificate.
The New South Wales Index to Deceased Estate Files shows him as a Retired Jeweller.