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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Carlow => Topic started by: terryt on Friday 17 April 20 01:01 BST (UK)
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I am looking for a birth date and parents names plus marriage date and possible relatives for Ellen McAsey. Ellen was born about 1830 in Ballyellen, County Carlow. She married Thomas Conway and their son Thomas was born on the 29th December, 1861. He was followed by John in 1864 and James in 1867. Ellen died in Balleyellen on the 30th October 1884 and Thomas died on the 22nd May 1891 also in Balleyellen.
Kind Regards
Carol Thomson
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Hi,
Ballyellen would be parish of Dunleckney/Bagenalstown.
Link below to full transcription of baptisms in the parish from 1821 to 1857.
Had a quick look and no Ellen McAsey from Ballyellen but a few other McAssey baptisms so could have missed it.
http://www.igp-web.com/Carlow/Dunleckney_index.htm
Might be worthwhile checking either Goresbridge or Borris records as well although should be in Bagenalstown Parish I would imagine
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Hi,
I found a Martha Mcasey in the tithe records in 1825. The only Mcasey listed in County Carlow.
http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/search/tab/results.jsp?surname=mcasey&firstname=&county=Carlow&parish=&townland=&search=Search
This is where she was.....
https://www.townlands.ie/carlow/dunleckny/
This is Ballyellin
https://www.townlands.ie/carlow/idrone-east/ballyellin/ballyellin/ballyellin-and-tomdarragh/
Very close to each other.
This is John's Baptism bottom entry 10th April 1864.
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634459#page/76/mode/1up
He married Bridget Breen.
Some where in here is James' Baptism
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634459#page/90/mode/1up
Did James Conway b 1867 go to the USA?
I see he was present at the death of his Father Thomas.
There is a ship record same birth year as James and arrival in USA in 1892.
Going back further, I did look in 3 sites for the marriage of Ellen and Thomas.
The earliest record is the Martha Mcasey one.
Sorry but you will have to look in the Registers on line...……. this link.
https://registers.nli.ie/
Not much help sorry.
Maggsie
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Thanks to both Noland01 and Maggsie your help is much appreciated. You need X-ray vision to look at some of those records. I notice on the baptism record for John that Ellen is recorded as Eleanora. John had twin daughters named Ellen and Honoria (Nora). Wondering if the girls names were a combination of the name Eleanora. I don’t have any information on James Conway.
Someone sent me a possible birth for a Ellen McAsey born in 1830 and baptised on the 29th January,1830. Parents listed as Thomas McAsey and Catherine Tallan. I also made contact last week with a McAsey who shares DNA with me and is classed as a 4th to 6th cousin. His ancestor was a
Thomas McAsey born about 1812 and immigrated to Melbourne, Australia in 1855. We are going to try and work out where our connection is on the McAsey line.
Kind Regards
Carol Thomson
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Reading back over your opening post,have you anything to indicate that Ellen was born in Ballyellin ?
Where was the January 1830 baptism ?
Her death entry indicates a birth year c.1830 but wonder how accurate that might be.Thomas is 62 on death entry so similar birth year ie 1829
See an Ellen McAsey born/baptised Sept.1836 to a John McAsey and Kitty Treacy.Address given as Ballywilliamroe. Bagenalstown.
Also see a few McAsey baptisms in register from Lorum and other townlands that would be close enough to Ballyellin.
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The record that was sent to me for Ellen has Baptism Place Carlow, Carlow and Kildare, Diocese
Kildare and Leighlin. Date was 29th January, 1830. No information to say she was born in Ballyellen Thomas Conway’s (Ellen and Thomas’s son) Baptismal Certificate is Parish of Bagnalstown Diocese of Kildare and Leighlin. John and James Conway place of birth Boris, Carlow. Marriage Record for Thomas Conway and Anne Carroll 23rd February, 1892 Roman Catholic Chapel of Goresbridge in the Registrar’s District of Goresbridge and Graigue. Their children’s Baptismal Certificates Parish of Paulstown, Diocese of Kildare.
Kind Regards
Carol Thomson
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Hi Carol
Ellen's baptism entry (assuming its the correct one) looks likely to be in Carlow town.
Ballyellin is closer to Goresbridge village(parish of Goresbridge and Paulstown) and to Borris village (parish of Borris) than it is to Bagenalstown or Ballinkillen where the churches in Dunleckney/Bagenalstown parish are located.
All are diocese of Kildare and Leighlin.
Ballyellin is right beside Goresbridge village so assume they moved to there on marriage.
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Thomas Conway gives Goresbridge as address on marriage in 1892;
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1892/10628/5872205.pdf
Found that Ellen McAsey baptism on 29th January 1830.Address is given as Tullow Street, Carlow Town.
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634424#page/93/mode/1up
All that is getting you no further though.Would think perhaps look again at Bagenalstown/Dunleckney register and maybe Borris and Paulstown/Goresbridge for birth and marriage for Ellen and Thomas.
Not saying the Ellen baptised in Carlow is not "your" Ellen but chances are that she would have been born closer to Ballyellin than Carlow Town or then again maybe she/her family moved before or after her marriage.
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Decided to have another look at this tonight so;
Thomas Conway and Anne Carroll;
Marriage;
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1892/10628/5872205.pdf
1901 census
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Kilkenny/Goresbridge/Grange_Lower/1452976/
Cant seem to find the family in 1911.
John Conway and Brigid Breen;
Marriage;
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1889/10743/5917515.pdf
Census 1901;
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Carlow/Ballyellin/Ballyellin_and_Tomdarragh/1039274/
And again in 1911;
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Carlow/Ballyellen/Ballyellen_and_Tomdarragh/309553/
Did both families move/emigrate as no likely death entry's for either Conway brother or their respective spouses.Last child I could see on civil reg. site for Thomas and Anne was Catherine registered as being born Lower Grange,Goresbridge on 3rd June 1904.
As regards Ellen McAsey;see a baptism of an Eleanor to an Andrew McAsey and Margaret Bryan on 27/09/1840 in Dunleckney records.Address given as Ballinkillen.Siblings Mary baptised Sept. 1836 and Margaret Nov. 1838
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Hello Noland01, Thomas and Anne Conway and family immigrated in 1910. John and Bridget and Family also immigrated but not altogether. The family were supposed to depart on the ship The Dorset but only Nora and Thomas arrived. There must have been some incident that delayed the others. John Bridget and the other family members arrived in 1912. Ellen Conway daughter of John and Bridget died in 1906 in Balleyellen. Sadly the girls passed away early Norah 1921, Margaret 1922, Maria 1923 followed by Thomas in 1929 and William 1937. Christopher lived to 70 years of age.
I am not convinced that the record I have for the Birth/Baptism in 1830 for Ellen is the correct one. A marriage for Ellen and Thomas would give her father’s name. Have had a quick look this morning but have had no success. Also scrolled through the births again. I have been very surprised in my family research of people putting incorrect information not checking their facts properly and then posting it and then other people copying it.
I have very much appreciated your help. It is good to have an extra pair of eyes and someone who has a knowledge of the areas which the search centres around.
Kind Regards
Carol Thomson
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See a few trees on Ancestry that contain the family in question.Assume one is yours looking at names etc.
I live in Bagenalstown Parish,about 5/6 miles from Ballyellen so all that area is familiar to me.
A marriage for Thomas and Ellen would most likely have been in Bagenalstown ,Paulstown/Goresbridge or Borris Parish but that's not a given depending on where Ellen originated from.
Conway and McAsey are not very common names in that area but not non existent either.Its hard to imagine either might have travelled far for work/marriage at that time(mid 19th century).
Will have another trawl over the weekend but Ancestry,FindMyPast etc have nothing so far.
Its a long shot but looking at the family names one might guess that Thomas Conway father was Thomas also and Ellen's perhaps John going by naming patterns but that's a shot in the dark as those are amongst the most common given names of the time
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Thomas and Anne Conway named their house in Brisbane, Goresbridge. I agree it is likely that Thomas’s father was probably a Thomas too and Ellen’s a John. The families seemed to pass on the same Christian names down through the generations. I did not come across any Conways in my searches of the records although I did see Carrolls, Barrons, Keoghs and Brophys who are also
part of my family tree.
Kind Regards
Carol Thomson
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Hello Noland01, I have found a Baptism for a Bridget Conway on the 22nd March 1857 daughter of Thomas Conway and Ellen McAsey in Balleyellen. Went back and had a look on John Conway’s Baptismal record in 1864 and one of the sponsors was a Maria McAsey. I wonder if she was a sister of Ellen’s.
Kind Regards
Carol Thomson
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Also baptism on 11th February 1855 of what looks like another child of Thomas Conway and Ellen McAsey.
It reads;
11th February 1855 Bridget ? daughter of Thomas ? and Ellen McAsey(?) sponsors John Byrne and Mary Walsh.Address looks either Ballyellen or Ballinkillen
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Found what looks likely to be their marriage in Dunleckney Register.
Its 4th May 1852 and reads;
Ballyellen,Thomas Conway to Eleanor MacAsey.Witnesses James and Cath ???????
Link;
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634458#page/54/mode/1up
Married in 1852 would rule out that baptism in 1837.Imagine Ellen's birth date you have ie 1830/1831 sounds about right.
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Oh! So it looks like there were 2 Bridgets. I wonder if there were anymore children born between Bridget and Thomas.
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Not a betting man but if I had to guess I would take a chance that Ellen's mother was Brigid.
If Brigid was their first daughter and they reused the name (assuming the first Brigid died young) then it may have been of significance to her/them.Common practice,but not in many cases,was to name the first daughter after the maternal grandmother but a name like Brigid was/is a very common one so perhaps that's a shot in the dark.
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Don’t know how I managed to miss your post for the marriage date for Thomas and Ellen. Think I was focused on the Bridgets. Really pleased to finally have Thomas and Ellen’s date of marriage. The pieces of the puzzle are slowly starting to fall into place. Thanks again for all your help.
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Hi Carol
I have mcasseys in my tree, from benglestown,Carlow are you on ancestry ? My Thomas Mcassey Married Elizabeth Fox, his father I believe was Murtagh Mcassey.
Regards
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My Thomas Mcassey Married Elizabeth Fox, his father I believe was Murtagh Mcassey.
If this is your marriage for Thomas McAssey to Elizabeth Fox in 1899, then his father was James McAssey, a labourer.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1899/10372/5776502.pdf
KG
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My Thomas Mcassey Married Elizabeth Fox, his father I believe was Murtagh Mcassey.
Thanks, I'm sure it was jame's father that was Murtagh Mcassey then, I know murtagh came up as a father so it must be james , seems every time i post i put the wrong details :-\
If this is your marriage for Thomas McAssey to Elizabeth Fox in 1899, then his father was James McAssey, a labourer.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1899/10372/5776502.pdf
KG
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Hello there, Thanks for your email I have had a look at the two names you gave me but they didn’t appear on my Ancestry DNA matches. Somewhere in this McAssey Family line there is a match to my gg.grandmother, Ellen/Eleanor McAsey. My DNA match from Melbourne is descended from this family.
Michael McAsey 1775 - 1887/ Mary Nolan 1788 - ???
Son Thomas McAsey 1812 - 1897/ Elizabeth Walshe 1814 - 1882
Children of Thomas and Elizabeth:-
Michael McAsey 1839 - 1923
James McAsey 1840 - 1916
John McAsey 1845 - 1907
Maria McAsey 1845 - 1926
Elizabeth McAsey 1849 - 1932
Richard McAsey 1851 - ???
Thomas McAsey 1853 - ???
This family is on Ancestry. Hope this is of some help.
Kind Regards
Carol