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Title: Help with finding marriage record or bann
Post by: Charchar1 on Sunday 19 April 20 19:04 BST (UK)
Hi can anybody help me find a marriage record or marriage banns for george pygott and mary pygott they got married in 1871 acording to the 1911 census and they where from rotherham
Any help would be great thanks
Title: Re: Help with finding marriage record or bann
Post by: PaulineJ on Sunday 19 April 20 19:17 BST (UK)
Welcome, what else can you tell us?

Did they have any children?

When, where and whom?

Is this the man & family? https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWK5-SYJ

Something isnt right. If they've been wed 40 years, he was 19 at marriage, and she was 10!

Pauline
Title: Re: Help with finding marriage record or bann
Post by: heywood on Sunday 19 April 20 19:29 BST (UK)
Hello and welcome.

This looks like the same family

1901 4393/12/16

George Piggott   52 yrs Rope Splicer b Butterwick
George P Williamson 14 yrs Pony Driver
William P Williamson 12 yrs
Fred P Williamson 10 yrs
Arthur P Williamson 8yrs
Mary Williamson   48 yrs

The Williamsons are described as lodgers
Title: Re: Help with finding marriage record or bann
Post by: Pennines on Sunday 19 April 20 19:31 BST (UK)
I don't know whether this is a clue or a red herring -- but the youngest son in 1911 was named Arthur b about 1893.

The only birth I can find is for an Arthur Pygott Williamson registered at Rotherham in 1893. Mother's maiden name Harris.

Also for the Frederick -- he's registered as Fred Pygott Williamson in 1890 - mother's maiden name Harris.

The couple may not have married and Mary was a Harris - who married a Williamson initially and is perhaps a widow.

More research needed though.
Title: Re: Help with finding marriage record or bann
Post by: ScobieDrom on Sunday 19 April 20 19:37 BST (UK)
1911 Census shows George Henry Pygott age 54 and his wife Margaret age 58 living in Masbro', Rotherham. If this is your couple then there is a marriage of  George Henry Pygott and Margaret Brazier in the July quarter 1888 in Rotherham District. Source: FreeBMD. Vol-9c, Page-826
Title: Re: Help with finding marriage record or bann
Post by: heywood on Sunday 19 April 20 19:41 BST (UK)
That is a different couple. See reply #1 for a link to the George and Mary.
Title: Re: Help with finding marriage record or bann
Post by: heywood on Sunday 19 April 20 19:45 BST (UK)
1891 3849/45

George Pigot widower 46 yrs Rope Splicer b Butterwick, Lincolnshire
Ann Williamson   single housekeeper 39 yrs b Staffordshire
Martha A Pigot   12 yrs
Georg P Pigot   4 yrs
George W Pigot   2 yrs
Fred P Pigot 7 months
Children born Rotherham
Title: Re: Help with finding marriage record or bann
Post by: Pennines on Sunday 19 April 20 19:47 BST (UK)
A Mary Ann Harris is on the same page as a Thomas Williamson Q/E June 1873 Rotherham Reg Dist.

I wonder if that may have been 'Mary's' marriage to a Williamson?

Just seen Heywood's reply - so maybe not the above!
Title: Re: Help with finding marriage record or bann
Post by: osprey on Sunday 19 April 20 19:50 BST (UK)
1891 census in Kimberworth has a 12 year old daughter Martha Ann RG12/3849 folio 45 pg 10 with George & the Williamsons. She was baptised 22 March 1883 born 22 Jan 1879 daughter of George, miner, and Louisa of Parkgate.
Marriage in Sheffield Cathedral 6 March 1871 for George Pigot 21 miner father John Pigot Drayman & Louisa Straw 18 father William Shaw engine tenter.
So a marriage 40 years earlier, just not to the wife from 1911.

 ::)
Title: Re: Help with finding marriage record or bann
Post by: heywood on Sunday 19 April 20 19:54 BST (UK)
I think you might be right Pennines  - maybe the marriage didn’t last and she regarded herself as single.
Title: Re: Help with finding marriage record or bann
Post by: PaulineJ on Sunday 19 April 20 19:56 BST (UK)
So a marriage 40 years earlier, just not to the wife from 1911.

 ::)

Good find! I suppose its vaguely correct, given he doesn't  appear to be wed to his "wife"
Title: Re: Help with finding marriage record or bann
Post by: osprey on Sunday 19 April 20 20:04 BST (UK)
Louisa Straw (now wife of Pigot) was baptised in Masbrough 25 March 1881 date of birth 8 April 1854, daughter of William & Sarah. Address given as Greasbro' Street Northfield.
Title: Re: Help with finding marriage record or bann
Post by: Ladyhawk on Sunday 19 April 20 20:09 BST (UK)

1891 census in Kimberworth has a 12 year old daughter Martha Ann RG12/3849 folio 45 pg 10 with George & the Williamsons.

She was baptised 22 March 1883 born 22 Jan 1879 daughter of George, miner, and Louisa of Parkgate.

Marriage in Sheffield Cathedral 6 March 1871 for George Pigot 21 miner father John Pigot Drayman & Louisa Straw 18 father William Shaw engine tenter.

So a marriage 40 years earlier, just not to the wife from 1911.


For info. birth reg from GRO

Martha Ann PYKETT mmn   STRAW 
1879  M Quarter in ROTHERHAM  Volume 09C  Page 644
 

Title: Re: Help with finding marriage record or bann
Post by: Pennines on Sunday 19 April 20 20:10 BST (UK)
In 1901 on Ancestry - (transcribed as Priggott!) George is with Williamson children - having the middle initial as P.

A Mary Williamson born Staffordshire (as per 1911) is also present) -- that is the family I think. (Sorry if this was found before!)
Title: Re: Help with finding marriage record or bann
Post by: Ladyhawk on Sunday 19 April 20 20:15 BST (UK)
PYKETT, SARAH  ELIZABETH     mmn STRAW 
1876  D Quarter in ROTHERHAM  Volume 09C  Page 664

1881 cPiece:   4680 Folio:   34 Page Number:   3

83 Milton St
George Pykets   30  East Butterwick, Lincoln  Coal miner
Louisa Pykets   26
Sarah E. Pykets   4
Martha Ann Pykets   2


Title: Re: Help with finding marriage record or bann
Post by: osprey on Sunday 19 April 20 20:21 BST (UK)
well found, Ladyhawk!

death reg Louisa Pigot 29 sept qtr 1883 Rotherham vol 9c pg 354
Title: Re: Help with finding marriage record or bann
Post by: Charchar1 on Sunday 19 April 20 21:13 BST (UK)
So are we saying he had more than one family
Title: Re: Help with finding marriage record or bann
Post by: osprey on Sunday 19 April 20 21:24 BST (UK)
yes!

First one with Louisa Straw who died in 1883 and then with Mary Williamson who it would appear was not free to marry him.

 ;)
Title: Re: Help with finding marriage record or bann
Post by: Charchar1 on Sunday 19 April 20 21:52 BST (UK)
When did thomas williamson die and is there a baptism for george pigot and mary harris
Title: Re: Help with finding marriage record or bann
Post by: Pennines on Sunday 19 April 20 22:52 BST (UK)
Just come back onto this query -- at this moment Charchar1 -- I think we would be 'jumping the gun' a bit to go straight to looking for births for George and Mary. (In my opinion anyway).

We have been finding what appears to be children of George and Mary - but not all of them yet - certainly the ones on the 1911 census registered as Williamson with a middle name of Pygott - you would THINK belong to George and Mary. Whichever child you are descended from - I would suggest you obtain a birth certificate to give you some concrete evidence.

Then we need to work carefully backwards on both families.

The number of children shown as born alive - and who have died by 1911 - we don't yet know whether it's between George and Mary -- or whether they may have combined their earlier separate families (although they shouldn't really have done that.)

Go back - census by census -- check the marriages of both parties if you can. Certificates would be good. I know they cost - but you should never assume in family history - as there is a danger of following a wrong line.

If this was my own research I would want to collect the children from every census for both potential couples - then check the GRO index as well to see who is missing - and try to find deaths.

We don't know for sure if the Mary Ann Harris/Thomas Williamson marriage is correct. Find a death for Thomas if possible. Does this then coincide with George and Mary being found together later?

More research needed yet.
Title: Re: Help with finding marriage record or bann
Post by: Ladyhawk on Sunday 19 April 20 23:14 BST (UK)
Trying to track George back

Here he is on 1871 census

Piece:   4705 Folio:   72 Page Number:   21
84 Hardy Street Yorkshire
John Westerman   64
Ann Westerman   56
George Pykett   Boarder mar 21 Butterwick Lincolnshire  coal miner
Louisa Pykett                      18 Yorks Blackburn

Edit to add

PYKETT, JOHN  WILLIAM     mmn STRAW 
1874  S Quarter in ROTHERHAM  Volume 09C  Page 629

His death

 Jun 1876    Rotherham    9c   371
PYKETT John William   died age 1   
Title: Re: Help with finding marriage record or bann
Post by: Ladyhawk on Monday 20 April 20 00:02 BST (UK)
A possibility for George on 1861 and 1851 census

1861 Piece:   2401 Folio:   103 Page    8
Lincolnshire
John Pycott   45 ag lab.
Julia Pycott   39
George Pycott   12 East Butterwick, Lincolnshire
Hannah Pycott   6
Jane Pycott   4
Saml Pycott   1
All born East Butterwick, Lincolnshire

1851c Piece:   2117 Folio:   322 Page 1
Lincolnshire
John Pykit   36 ag la b
Julia Pykit   27
Geo Pykit   2 E Butterwick, Lincolnshire
Maria Pykit   1 W

Given the variations of the Pigot surname a possible marriage entry John / Julia

Jun 1843   Glanford Brigg    14   579   
CLARK    Julia          
Male names on same page
BASSENDALE    Isaac
Pigate    John   
PIHATE    John       
Rusling    Till       
SMITH    George Belter       

John Pikate
Marriage 17 May 1843 Bottesford, Lincoln
Father:   William Pikate
Spouse:   Julia Clark father Samuel

Edit to add

Here’s the full transcription of the marriage from F M P

17th May 1843 marriage solemnized by Banns in Parish of Bottesford Lincoln

John PIKATE full age bachelor , Labourer Residence Butterwick
Father William, labourer

Julia CLARK full age spinster, residence East Butterwick
father Samuel, labourer

Both John & Julia made their mark (x)

Can’t make out full names of witnesses
James M??shale (x) , Thomas ?ollans, Ann Pigate (x)
(x) made their mark

 




Title: Re: Help with finding marriage record or bann
Post by: Pennines on Monday 20 April 20 10:15 BST (UK)
I was under the impression that George was born in Rotherham, according to later census records -- however people quite often got their birthplace incorrect - sometimes forgetting where they were actually born!!

I am also slightly curious about Louisa's birth place -- given as Blackburn, Yorkshire? I know about Blackburn, Lancashire --(very well actually ---- as I was born there!) -- but didn't know there was a Yorkshire one.

This family are determined to make things difficult aren't they!!
Title: Re: Help with finding marriage record or bann
Post by: Ladyhawk on Monday 20 April 20 10:29 BST (UK)
Pennines -just rechecked 1871/81 censuses

Louisa pob looks to me to read Yorks Blackburn
(have amended my post)

George Lincoln Butterwick

Louisa pob Blackburn Yorks

George pob East Butterwick Linc

added - 1891/1901c

George Pigot pob Lincolnshire Butterwick

George Piggot pob Yks Butterwick
Title: Re: Help with finding marriage record or bann
Post by: Ladyhawk on Monday 20 April 20 11:26 BST (UK)
There is this baptism (P) written at the side

George PYKET 24 May 1848 Messingham Lincolnshire
John, labourer  mother Julia, abode E. Butterwick (Bottesford)

There are five other baptisms at  Messingham

surname PYKITT parents John, labourer & Julia abode E. Butterwick (Bottesford)
Anna Maria 1854, Jane  1857, Samuel Clarke 1859 and John 1861
Title: Re: Help with finding marriage record or bann
Post by: osprey on Monday 20 April 20 15:16 BST (UK)
the Blackburn noted as Louisa's place of birth could be Blackburn Moor in Kimberworth

https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/WRY/Rotherham/more

The adult baptism for her gives a date of birth of 8 April 1854 and there is a birth reg for
Louisa Straw june qtr 1854 Rotherham vol 9 pg 412 mmn Taylor
Possible marriage William Straw dec qtr 1849 Rotherham vol 22 pg 495 with Sarah Taylor on the same page
1851 census (horrible copy!) Tinsley Road, Attercliife HO107/2342 folio 493 pg 15
William Straw visitor mar 20 engine tenter b. Attercliffe
Sarah visitor mar 18 b. Attercliffe

1861 Psalters Lane, Kimberworth RG9/3507 folio 71 pg 24
William Straw head mar 30 engine tenter b. Attercliffe
Sarah wife 29 b. Darnall
Susan dau 7 b. Blackburn
Think that Susan is enumerator's error for Louisa, there isn't another occurrence of Susan Straw in bmds or census that would match.

death reg for Sarah Straw 35 dec qtr 1867 Rotherham vol 9c pg 310

William remarried in Attercliffe 13 April 1868
William Straw 36 widower engine tenter Attercliffe Common father Jno? miner
Anne Liversidge 25 spinster Attercliffe Common father Samuel miner

1871 Hasland, Derbyshire RG10/3613 folio 12 pg 15
William J Straw head mar engine wright b. Sheffield
Ann wife 39 b. Sheffield
Lilly dau 4 b. Greasbrough  (birth reg dec qtr Rotherham mmn Taylor)
John son 3 b. Greasbrough  (birth reg march qtr 1868 Rotherham mmn Liversidge)
Oliver dau 7 months b. Hasland (birth reg Olive sept qtr 1870 Chesterfield mmn Liversidge)
Benjamin Staniforth nephew 18 engine tenter at colliery b. Kimberworth

back in Kimberworth for 1881
54 Harrison St RG11/4677 folio 69 pg 7
William Straw head mar 50 engine tenter at iron works b. Attercliffe Common
Ann wife 39 b. Darnall
John son 12 b. Rotherham
William E son 7 b. Derbyshire, Hasland
Lois E dau 5 b. Hasland
Martha dau 3 b. Holmes, Rotherham



Title: Re: Help with finding marriage record or bann
Post by: CaroleW on Monday 20 April 20 15:47 BST (UK)
Another post here going over the same ground apparently

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=829328.new#new
Title: Re: Help with finding marriage record or bann
Post by: Pennines on Monday 20 April 20 16:16 BST (UK)
Osprey -- you are probably correct about the Blackburn Moor, Yorks -- well found.

However I am now in a state of complete confusion with the different surnames and with the birthplace pf George Pygott (or variant!) -- and also with the other thread notified by Carole.

I think I will have to go back to the beginning and start again if I was to be of any further help.

Title: Re: Help with finding marriage record or bann
Post by: Ladyhawk on Monday 20 April 20 16:34 BST (UK)

We have been finding what appears to be children of George and Mary - but not all of them yet - certainly the ones on the 1911 census registered as Williamson with a middle name of Pygott - you would THINK belong to George and Mary.

Whichever child you are descended from - I would suggest you obtain a birth certificate to give you some concrete evidence.

Then we need to work carefully backwards on both families.

The number of children shown as born alive - and who have died by 1911 - we don't yet know whether it's between George and Mary -- or whether they may have combined their earlier separate families (although they shouldn't really have done that.)

Go back - census by census -- check the marriages of both parties if you can. Certificates would be good. I know they cost - but you should never assume in family history - as there is a danger of following a wrong line.

If this was my own research I would want to collect the children from every census for both potential couples - then check the GRO index as well to see who is missing - and try to find deaths.

We don't know for sure if the Mary Ann Harris/Thomas Williamson marriage is correct. Find a death for Thomas if possible. Does this then coincide with George and Mary being found together later?

More research needed yet.

I agree with obtaining a birth certificate

I had already pieced this together before looking at the link posted byCarole.....

I'm wondering if you are correct Pennines about combining number of children from 1911c ie.

those born to George PYKETT & Louisa nee STRAW
those born to Thomas WILLIAMSON & Mary Ann nee HARRIS
those born to George PIGGOT & Mary WILLIAMSON nee HARRIS

Marriage  George PIGOT to Louisa STRAW in 1871 - see reply 8

Marriage reg. Mary Ann HARRIS to Thomas WILLIAMSON in 1873 - see reply 7

Marriage of a George PIGOT to Mary Ann WILLIAMSON -  ??? not found

Here are 13 births registered in Rotherham with mmn STRAW & HARRIS I have listed them in the year they were born - only found 3 deaths so far

WILLIAMSON, CHARLES   mmn HARRIS
1873  D Quarter in ROTHERHAM  Volume 09C  Page 612   

PYKETT, JOHN  WILLIAM    mmn STRAW
1874  S Quarter in ROTHERHAM  Volume 09C  Page 629
death John  Jun 1876 age 1

WILLIAMSON, FREDERICK   mmn HARRIS
1875  J Quarter in ROTHERHAM  Volume 09C  Page 629   

WILLIAMSON, ROSE   mmn HARRIS
1876  S Quarter in ROTHERHAM  Volume 09C  Page 656   
Death Jun 1888 rotherham Rose Williamson age 11

PYKETT, SARAH  ELIZABETH    mmn STRAW
1876  D Quarter in ROTHERHAM  Volume 09C  Page 664

WILLIAMSON, ROBERT   HARRIS
1878  D Quarter in ROTHERHAM  Volume 09C  Page 627
Death Robert died age 0 1879   

PYKETT MARTHA ANN mmn   STRAW
1879  M Quarter in ROTHERHAM  Volume 09C  Page 644

WILLIAMSON, LILY   mmn HARRIS
1880  M Quarter in ROTHERHAM  Volume 09C  Page 643
   
WILLIAMSON, JOHN   mmn HARRIS
1881  S Quarter in ROTHERHAM  Volume 09C  Page 614
   
WILLIAMSON, GEORGE  PYGOTT   mmn HARRIS
1886  D Quarter in ROTHERHAM  Volume 09C  Page 621   

WILLIAMSON, JOHN  WILLIAM PYGOTT   mmn HARRIS
1888  S Quarter in ROTHERHAM  Volume 09C  Page 615
   
WILLIAMSON, FRED  PYGOTT   mmn HARRIS
1890  D Quarter in ROTHERHAM  Volume 09C  Page 634
   
WILLIAMSON, ARTHUR  PYGOTT   mmnHARRIS
1893  J Quarter in ROTHERHAM  Volume 09C  Page 705   

Looking at the Williamson births above Charles, Frederick, Rose & Lily
they are on 1881 census living 3 Top Engine, Greasborough, Yorkshire

1881 Piece:   4680 Folio:   81 Page Number:   10
Thomas Williamson   28 Thorne  coal miner
Mary Ann Williamson   27 Staffs West Brom
Charles Williamson   7 Yorkshire Brad?
Frederick Williamson   5    ditto Thornehill
Rose Williamson   4    ditto Bradgate
Lily Williamson   1.  Ditto  Greaseboro

1871c Not found Thomas
 
1861 census Piece:   3525 Folio:   46 Page Number:   26
Charles Williamson   34
Jane Williamson   37
Ann Williamson   12
Robert Williamson   10
Mary A Williamson   9
Thomas Williamson   8 Yorks Thorne
Emma Williamson   4
John Potter   Lodger 36

1851 Piece:   2349 Folio:   354 Page Number:   43
Charles Williamson   24
Jane Williamson   28
Ann Williamson   2
Robert Williamson   10 Mo
Title: Re: Help with finding marriage record or bann
Post by: Ladyhawk on Monday 20 April 20 16:50 BST (UK)
Lily WILLIAMSON born c 1880 (mmn Harris) is with her grandparents 1891

Piece:   3856 Folio:   59 page 17
Chas Williamson   64
Jane Williamson   67
Lily Williamson   granddau 10 Greasbro Yorks

Title: Re: Help with finding marriage record or bann
Post by: Pennines on Monday 20 April 20 16:59 BST (UK)
Ladyhawk -- you have worked SO hard on this and I so admire your perseverence with this complicated query.

I am currently resting my brain!!
Title: Re: Help with finding marriage record or bann
Post by: Ladyhawk on Monday 20 April 20 17:33 BST (UK)
Charchar1

Can I ask do you have a birth certificate or marriage certificates of any of the children born to George & Mary from 1911 census?

If so, can you give details please to make sure we are looking for the correct people and don't duplicate information already found  :)

Arthur Pygott Williamson age 19
Birth Greasbro, Yorkshire
Document Year:   1911
Regimental Number:   1409
Regiment Name:   York and Lancaster Regiment
Number of Images:   24
Form Title:   Territorial Force Attestation
spouse Laura

Next of kin
names below crossed out and wife Laura written above
Father George
Mother Mary
Brother George
Address 31 Eldon Road Eastwood Vale Rotherham

Charchar1
Is that the same address for the Arthur PYGOTT on 1911 census with parents George & Mary

APW married Mar 1914 Rotherham Laura GILBERT

Here are some deaths giving the date of births
   
Arthur Pygott Williamson age 79 born 22 Feb 1893
Sep 1972 Rotherham Volume:   2c Page:   1431

George Pygott Williamson  age 89 born 30 Aug 1886
Dec 1975 Rotherham Volume:   3 Page:   0930
GPW appears to have married a Florrie THOMPSON Jun 1909 Rotherham
Title: Re: Help with finding marriage record or bann
Post by: osprey on Monday 20 April 20 18:16 BST (UK)
parish marriage details for George
parish church of Northfield 25 April 1909
George Pygott Williamson 22 bach miner 31 Eldon Road Rotherham father George Pygott Williamson miner
Florrie Thompson 19 spinster 59 Neville St father George Thompson miner
witnesses George Thompson & Sarah Pearce

marriage for Frederick in St Stephen's, Eastwood 19 Dec 1911
Frederick Pygott Williamson 21 bach engine driver Eldon Road father's details blank
Mabel Seston 20 spinster Eldon Road father George Seston collier
witnesses Sarah Waterhouse & William Pygott Williamson

marriage for William in St Stephen's, Eastwood 2 June 1912
John William Pygott Williamson 23 bach labourer Eldon Road father's details blank
Sarah Waterhouse 21 Frederick Street father Charles Booth Waterhouse tripe dresser
witnesses Charles Edward Hopewell & Amelia Thompson Southwell

Title: Re: Help with finding marriage record or bann
Post by: Ladyhawk on Monday 20 April 20 18:19 BST (UK)
Well found osprey - same address as the Army record detail for Arthur Pygott Williamson 31 Eldon Road

parish marriage details for George

parish church of Northfield 25 April 1909
George Pygott Williamson 22 bach miner 31 Eldon Road Rotherham father George Pygott Williamson miner
Florrie Thompson 19 spinster 59 Neville St father George Thompson miner
witnesses George Thompson & Sarah Pearce

marriage for Frederick in St Stephen's, Eastwood 19 Dec 1911

Frederick Pygott Williamson 21 bach engine driver Eldon Road father's details blank
Mabel Seston 20 spinster Eldon Road father George Seston collier
witnesses Sarah Waterhouse & William Pygott Williamson

marriage for William in St Stephen's, Eastwood 2 June 1912

John William Pygott Williamson 23 bach labourer Eldon Road father's details blank
Sarah Waterhouse 21 Frederick Street father Charles Booth Waterhouse tripe dresser
witnesses Charles Edward Hopewell & Amelia Thompson Southwell



Their ages a close match to these birth registrations posted


WILLIAMSON, GEORGE  PYGOTT   mmn HARRIS
1886  D Quarter in ROTHERHAM  Volume 09C  Page 621 

WILLIAMSON, FRED  PYGOTT   mmn HARRIS
1890  D Quarter in ROTHERHAM  Volume 09C  Page 634

WILLIAMSON, JOHN  WILLIAM PYGOTT  mmn HARRIS
1888  S Quarter in ROTHERHAM  Volume 09C  Page 615
Title: Re: Help with finding marriage record or bann
Post by: CaroleW on Monday 20 April 20 18:28 BST (UK)
From this post

Quote
Hi can anybody help me find a marriage record or marriage banns for george pygott and mary pygott they got married in 1871 acording to the 1911 census and they where from rotherham
Any help would be great thanks

From other post

Quote
Hi i am trying to find a baptism record for george pigott born 1850 his dads name was john pigott acording to his marriage certificate they where living in new market at the time. Any help would be great thanks

George pigott was married to louisa straw

We have been given very little information by the poster to work from and despite the great amount of info posted on both threads – we have been given no guidance as to whether we are on the right track

After 15 replies of extensive information on this post - this reply was received

Quote
So are we saying he had more than one family

I think we need to take a step back until more information is provided as follows:

What is her relationship to George?
Which of George’s children is she descended from?
What info has she found from earlier censuses following the 1871 marriage?
Title: Re: Help with finding marriage record or bann
Post by: osprey on Monday 20 April 20 18:33 BST (UK)
forgot Arthur!

22 Feb 1914 St Stephen's, Eastwood
Arthur Pygott Williamson 21 bach labourer Eldon Road father's details blank
Laura Gilbert 23 spinster parish of Rotherham father William Gilbert lamplighter
witnesses William Gilbert & Daisy May Gilbert

So 3 of the sons didn't cover up their illegitimacy on the marriage entries.

1911 census for George & Florrie with a Charles Williamson boarding
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWK5-SNH

Later that year, marriage for Charles in St Stephen's Eastwood 5 Oct 1911
Charles Williamson 39 bach miner Hatherly Road father Thomas Williamson miner
Caroline Butterworth 40 spinster Hatherly Road father William Henry Butterworth (dec) cloth fuller
witnesses George & Florrie Williamson
 
Title: Re: Help with finding marriage record or bann
Post by: osprey on Monday 20 April 20 18:52 BST (UK)
was looking for the older Williamson children and found this

1891 121 Effingham St, Rotherham RG12/3846 folio 103 pg 37
Thomas Williamson head mar 38 miner b. Thorne
Hannah wife 46 b. Ripon
Tom Robshaw son 16 labourer in works
George Robshaw son 14 errand boy
Willie Robshaw son 11
Harry Robshaw son 9
Florry Robshaw dau 6
Frederick Williamson son 16 pit boy
Jane Williamson dau 11 months - birth reg june qtr 1890 Rotherham vol 9c pg 593 mmn Robshaw
children all born Rotherham
Title: Re: Help with finding marriage record or bann
Post by: CaroleW on Tuesday 21 April 20 10:57 BST (UK)
It would be helpful if Charchar responded to the replies.  In particular - which child is she descended from?  At least we would then know if the information posted is accurate and meets her requirements??
Title: Re: Help with finding marriage record or bann
Post by: Ladyhawk on Tuesday 21 April 20 11:33 BST (UK)
was looking for the older Williamson children and found this

1891 121 Effingham St, Rotherham RG12/3846 folio 103 pg 37
Thomas Williamson head mar 38 miner b. Thorne
Hannah wife 46 b. Ripon
Tom Robshaw son 16 labourer in works
George Robshaw son 14 errand boy
Willie Robshaw son 11
Harry Robshaw son 9
Florry Robshaw dau 6
Frederick Williamson son 16 pit boy

Jane Williamson dau 11 months - birth reg june qtr 1890 Rotherham vol 9c pg 593 mmn Robshaw
children all born Rotherham

This appears to be Jane’s baptism

Jane Williamson Birth 04 May 1890
Baptism 23 Mar 1892 Rotherham Minster
Denomination   Anglican
Father Thomas , miner mother Anna

It also appears she married a Robert Goldsbrough in 1909, father named as Thomas Williamson

Jane Goldsbrough is with her parents Thomas & Hannah Williamson on
1911c https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWKP-VMM
Plus their gd dau Maria Goldsbrough bn1910 (mmn Williamson)

ref. 1901 census Piece:   4361 Folio:   76 Page Number:   4
Thomas, Hannah & dau Jane Williamson & the 4 Robshaw children

Although his place of birth does not match I believe this is the same Thomas Williamson from the 1881 census married to Mary Ann  and the above 1891 census (wife) Hannah see replies 28 & 36

I maybe proved incorrect but it would seem that Thomas Williamson and his wife Mary Ann parted sometime after 1881 census and met other people and could not marry their respective partners as they were still married to each other.

Mary went on to have children from 1886 with George Pygott (his wife Louisa nee Shaw died 1873) George & Mary are together on 1891/1901 & 1911 census and did not marry as Mary’s husband Thomas still living and likewise

Thomas Williamson bn c1853  (husband of Mary Ann) is on 1891/1901 & 1911 c with (wife ) named  Hannah they had a daughter Jane born 1890 - I’ve not found a marriage for Thomas & Hannah  ???
to disprove this theory  :-\

I will not post any further info. until Charchar1 replies


It would be helpful if Charchar responded to the replies. 

In particular - which child is she descended from? 

At least we would then know if the information posted is accurate and meets her requirements??

I agree with you Carole  :)

Charchar1 has been on this morning so it would be very helpful to have a reply back to see if any of the information posted on this thread by everyone concerned has helped in anyway.

EDIT to add - PaulineJ didn't get a reply as to whether this was the correct family

Hi can anybody help me find a marriage record or marriage banns for
george pygott and mary pygott they got married in 1871 acording to the 1911 census
and they where from rotherham
Any help would be great thanks
Is this the man & family? https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWK5-SYJ

from the above link to the census 
George PYGOTT Head 59   Rotherham
Mary    Wife   50   Staffordshire
William      Son   23   Rotherham
Frederick    Son   20   Rotherham
Arthur       Son   18   Rotherham