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Hi can anybody help me find a marriage record or marriage banns for george pygott and mary pygott they got married in 1871 acording to the 1911 census and they where from rotherham
Any help would be great thanks
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Welcome, what else can you tell us?
Did they have any children?
When, where and whom?
Is this the man & family? https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWK5-SYJ
Something isnt right. If they've been wed 40 years, he was 19 at marriage, and she was 10!
Pauline
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Hello and welcome.
This looks like the same family
1901 4393/12/16
George Piggott 52 yrs Rope Splicer b Butterwick
George P Williamson 14 yrs Pony Driver
William P Williamson 12 yrs
Fred P Williamson 10 yrs
Arthur P Williamson 8yrs
Mary Williamson 48 yrs
The Williamsons are described as lodgers
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I don't know whether this is a clue or a red herring -- but the youngest son in 1911 was named Arthur b about 1893.
The only birth I can find is for an Arthur Pygott Williamson registered at Rotherham in 1893. Mother's maiden name Harris.
Also for the Frederick -- he's registered as Fred Pygott Williamson in 1890 - mother's maiden name Harris.
The couple may not have married and Mary was a Harris - who married a Williamson initially and is perhaps a widow.
More research needed though.
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1911 Census shows George Henry Pygott age 54 and his wife Margaret age 58 living in Masbro', Rotherham. If this is your couple then there is a marriage of George Henry Pygott and Margaret Brazier in the July quarter 1888 in Rotherham District. Source: FreeBMD. Vol-9c, Page-826
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That is a different couple. See reply #1 for a link to the George and Mary.
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1891 3849/45
George Pigot widower 46 yrs Rope Splicer b Butterwick, Lincolnshire
Ann Williamson single housekeeper 39 yrs b Staffordshire
Martha A Pigot 12 yrs
Georg P Pigot 4 yrs
George W Pigot 2 yrs
Fred P Pigot 7 months
Children born Rotherham
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A Mary Ann Harris is on the same page as a Thomas Williamson Q/E June 1873 Rotherham Reg Dist.
I wonder if that may have been 'Mary's' marriage to a Williamson?
Just seen Heywood's reply - so maybe not the above!
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1891 census in Kimberworth has a 12 year old daughter Martha Ann RG12/3849 folio 45 pg 10 with George & the Williamsons. She was baptised 22 March 1883 born 22 Jan 1879 daughter of George, miner, and Louisa of Parkgate.
Marriage in Sheffield Cathedral 6 March 1871 for George Pigot 21 miner father John Pigot Drayman & Louisa Straw 18 father William Shaw engine tenter.
So a marriage 40 years earlier, just not to the wife from 1911.
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I think you might be right Pennines - maybe the marriage didn’t last and she regarded herself as single.
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So a marriage 40 years earlier, just not to the wife from 1911.
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Good find! I suppose its vaguely correct, given he doesn't appear to be wed to his "wife"
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Louisa Straw (now wife of Pigot) was baptised in Masbrough 25 March 1881 date of birth 8 April 1854, daughter of William & Sarah. Address given as Greasbro' Street Northfield.
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1891 census in Kimberworth has a 12 year old daughter Martha Ann RG12/3849 folio 45 pg 10 with George & the Williamsons.
She was baptised 22 March 1883 born 22 Jan 1879 daughter of George, miner, and Louisa of Parkgate.
Marriage in Sheffield Cathedral 6 March 1871 for George Pigot 21 miner father John Pigot Drayman & Louisa Straw 18 father William Shaw engine tenter.
So a marriage 40 years earlier, just not to the wife from 1911.
For info. birth reg from GRO
Martha Ann PYKETT mmn STRAW
1879 M Quarter in ROTHERHAM Volume 09C Page 644
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In 1901 on Ancestry - (transcribed as Priggott!) George is with Williamson children - having the middle initial as P.
A Mary Williamson born Staffordshire (as per 1911) is also present) -- that is the family I think. (Sorry if this was found before!)
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PYKETT, SARAH ELIZABETH mmn STRAW
1876 D Quarter in ROTHERHAM Volume 09C Page 664
1881 cPiece: 4680 Folio: 34 Page Number: 3
83 Milton St
George Pykets 30 East Butterwick, Lincoln Coal miner
Louisa Pykets 26
Sarah E. Pykets 4
Martha Ann Pykets 2
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well found, Ladyhawk!
death reg Louisa Pigot 29 sept qtr 1883 Rotherham vol 9c pg 354
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So are we saying he had more than one family
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yes!
First one with Louisa Straw who died in 1883 and then with Mary Williamson who it would appear was not free to marry him.
;)
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When did thomas williamson die and is there a baptism for george pigot and mary harris
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Just come back onto this query -- at this moment Charchar1 -- I think we would be 'jumping the gun' a bit to go straight to looking for births for George and Mary. (In my opinion anyway).
We have been finding what appears to be children of George and Mary - but not all of them yet - certainly the ones on the 1911 census registered as Williamson with a middle name of Pygott - you would THINK belong to George and Mary. Whichever child you are descended from - I would suggest you obtain a birth certificate to give you some concrete evidence.
Then we need to work carefully backwards on both families.
The number of children shown as born alive - and who have died by 1911 - we don't yet know whether it's between George and Mary -- or whether they may have combined their earlier separate families (although they shouldn't really have done that.)
Go back - census by census -- check the marriages of both parties if you can. Certificates would be good. I know they cost - but you should never assume in family history - as there is a danger of following a wrong line.
If this was my own research I would want to collect the children from every census for both potential couples - then check the GRO index as well to see who is missing - and try to find deaths.
We don't know for sure if the Mary Ann Harris/Thomas Williamson marriage is correct. Find a death for Thomas if possible. Does this then coincide with George and Mary being found together later?
More research needed yet.
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Trying to track George back
Here he is on 1871 census
Piece: 4705 Folio: 72 Page Number: 21
84 Hardy Street Yorkshire
John Westerman 64
Ann Westerman 56
George Pykett Boarder mar 21 Butterwick Lincolnshire coal miner
Louisa Pykett 18 Yorks Blackburn
Edit to add
PYKETT, JOHN WILLIAM mmn STRAW
1874 S Quarter in ROTHERHAM Volume 09C Page 629
His death
Jun 1876 Rotherham 9c 371
PYKETT John William died age 1
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A possibility for George on 1861 and 1851 census
1861 Piece: 2401 Folio: 103 Page 8
Lincolnshire
John Pycott 45 ag lab.
Julia Pycott 39
George Pycott 12 East Butterwick, Lincolnshire
Hannah Pycott 6
Jane Pycott 4
Saml Pycott 1
All born East Butterwick, Lincolnshire
1851c Piece: 2117 Folio: 322 Page 1
Lincolnshire
John Pykit 36 ag la b
Julia Pykit 27
Geo Pykit 2 E Butterwick, Lincolnshire
Maria Pykit 1 W
Given the variations of the Pigot surname a possible marriage entry John / Julia
Jun 1843 Glanford Brigg 14 579
CLARK Julia
Male names on same page
BASSENDALE Isaac
Pigate John
PIHATE John
Rusling Till
SMITH George Belter
John Pikate
Marriage 17 May 1843 Bottesford, Lincoln
Father: William Pikate
Spouse: Julia Clark father Samuel
Edit to add
Here’s the full transcription of the marriage from F M P
17th May 1843 marriage solemnized by Banns in Parish of Bottesford Lincoln
John PIKATE full age bachelor , Labourer Residence Butterwick
Father William, labourer
Julia CLARK full age spinster, residence East Butterwick
father Samuel, labourer
Both John & Julia made their mark (x)
Can’t make out full names of witnesses
James M??shale (x) , Thomas ?ollans, Ann Pigate (x)
(x) made their mark
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I was under the impression that George was born in Rotherham, according to later census records -- however people quite often got their birthplace incorrect - sometimes forgetting where they were actually born!!
I am also slightly curious about Louisa's birth place -- given as Blackburn, Yorkshire? I know about Blackburn, Lancashire --(very well actually ---- as I was born there!) -- but didn't know there was a Yorkshire one.
This family are determined to make things difficult aren't they!!
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Pennines -just rechecked 1871/81 censuses
Louisa pob looks to me to read Yorks Blackburn
(have amended my post)
George Lincoln Butterwick
Louisa pob Blackburn Yorks
George pob East Butterwick Linc
added - 1891/1901c
George Pigot pob Lincolnshire Butterwick
George Piggot pob Yks Butterwick
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There is this baptism (P) written at the side
George PYKET 24 May 1848 Messingham Lincolnshire
John, labourer mother Julia, abode E. Butterwick (Bottesford)
There are five other baptisms at Messingham
surname PYKITT parents John, labourer & Julia abode E. Butterwick (Bottesford)
Anna Maria 1854, Jane 1857, Samuel Clarke 1859 and John 1861
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the Blackburn noted as Louisa's place of birth could be Blackburn Moor in Kimberworth
https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/WRY/Rotherham/more
The adult baptism for her gives a date of birth of 8 April 1854 and there is a birth reg for
Louisa Straw june qtr 1854 Rotherham vol 9 pg 412 mmn Taylor
Possible marriage William Straw dec qtr 1849 Rotherham vol 22 pg 495 with Sarah Taylor on the same page
1851 census (horrible copy!) Tinsley Road, Attercliife HO107/2342 folio 493 pg 15
William Straw visitor mar 20 engine tenter b. Attercliffe
Sarah visitor mar 18 b. Attercliffe
1861 Psalters Lane, Kimberworth RG9/3507 folio 71 pg 24
William Straw head mar 30 engine tenter b. Attercliffe
Sarah wife 29 b. Darnall
Susan dau 7 b. Blackburn
Think that Susan is enumerator's error for Louisa, there isn't another occurrence of Susan Straw in bmds or census that would match.
death reg for Sarah Straw 35 dec qtr 1867 Rotherham vol 9c pg 310
William remarried in Attercliffe 13 April 1868
William Straw 36 widower engine tenter Attercliffe Common father Jno? miner
Anne Liversidge 25 spinster Attercliffe Common father Samuel miner
1871 Hasland, Derbyshire RG10/3613 folio 12 pg 15
William J Straw head mar engine wright b. Sheffield
Ann wife 39 b. Sheffield
Lilly dau 4 b. Greasbrough (birth reg dec qtr Rotherham mmn Taylor)
John son 3 b. Greasbrough (birth reg march qtr 1868 Rotherham mmn Liversidge)
Oliver dau 7 months b. Hasland (birth reg Olive sept qtr 1870 Chesterfield mmn Liversidge)
Benjamin Staniforth nephew 18 engine tenter at colliery b. Kimberworth
back in Kimberworth for 1881
54 Harrison St RG11/4677 folio 69 pg 7
William Straw head mar 50 engine tenter at iron works b. Attercliffe Common
Ann wife 39 b. Darnall
John son 12 b. Rotherham
William E son 7 b. Derbyshire, Hasland
Lois E dau 5 b. Hasland
Martha dau 3 b. Holmes, Rotherham
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Another post here going over the same ground apparently
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=829328.new#new
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Osprey -- you are probably correct about the Blackburn Moor, Yorks -- well found.
However I am now in a state of complete confusion with the different surnames and with the birthplace pf George Pygott (or variant!) -- and also with the other thread notified by Carole.
I think I will have to go back to the beginning and start again if I was to be of any further help.
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We have been finding what appears to be children of George and Mary - but not all of them yet - certainly the ones on the 1911 census registered as Williamson with a middle name of Pygott - you would THINK belong to George and Mary.
Whichever child you are descended from - I would suggest you obtain a birth certificate to give you some concrete evidence.
Then we need to work carefully backwards on both families.
The number of children shown as born alive - and who have died by 1911 - we don't yet know whether it's between George and Mary -- or whether they may have combined their earlier separate families (although they shouldn't really have done that.)
Go back - census by census -- check the marriages of both parties if you can. Certificates would be good. I know they cost - but you should never assume in family history - as there is a danger of following a wrong line.
If this was my own research I would want to collect the children from every census for both potential couples - then check the GRO index as well to see who is missing - and try to find deaths.
We don't know for sure if the Mary Ann Harris/Thomas Williamson marriage is correct. Find a death for Thomas if possible. Does this then coincide with George and Mary being found together later?
More research needed yet.
I agree with obtaining a birth certificate
I had already pieced this together before looking at the link posted byCarole.....
I'm wondering if you are correct Pennines about combining number of children from 1911c ie.
those born to George PYKETT & Louisa nee STRAW
those born to Thomas WILLIAMSON & Mary Ann nee HARRIS
those born to George PIGGOT & Mary WILLIAMSON nee HARRIS
Marriage George PIGOT to Louisa STRAW in 1871 - see reply 8
Marriage reg. Mary Ann HARRIS to Thomas WILLIAMSON in 1873 - see reply 7
Marriage of a George PIGOT to Mary Ann WILLIAMSON - ??? not found
Here are 13 births registered in Rotherham with mmn STRAW & HARRIS I have listed them in the year they were born - only found 3 deaths so far
WILLIAMSON, CHARLES mmn HARRIS
1873 D Quarter in ROTHERHAM Volume 09C Page 612
PYKETT, JOHN WILLIAM mmn STRAW
1874 S Quarter in ROTHERHAM Volume 09C Page 629
death John Jun 1876 age 1
WILLIAMSON, FREDERICK mmn HARRIS
1875 J Quarter in ROTHERHAM Volume 09C Page 629
WILLIAMSON, ROSE mmn HARRIS
1876 S Quarter in ROTHERHAM Volume 09C Page 656
Death Jun 1888 rotherham Rose Williamson age 11
PYKETT, SARAH ELIZABETH mmn STRAW
1876 D Quarter in ROTHERHAM Volume 09C Page 664
WILLIAMSON, ROBERT HARRIS
1878 D Quarter in ROTHERHAM Volume 09C Page 627
Death Robert died age 0 1879
PYKETT MARTHA ANN mmn STRAW
1879 M Quarter in ROTHERHAM Volume 09C Page 644
WILLIAMSON, LILY mmn HARRIS
1880 M Quarter in ROTHERHAM Volume 09C Page 643
WILLIAMSON, JOHN mmn HARRIS
1881 S Quarter in ROTHERHAM Volume 09C Page 614
WILLIAMSON, GEORGE PYGOTT mmn HARRIS
1886 D Quarter in ROTHERHAM Volume 09C Page 621
WILLIAMSON, JOHN WILLIAM PYGOTT mmn HARRIS
1888 S Quarter in ROTHERHAM Volume 09C Page 615
WILLIAMSON, FRED PYGOTT mmn HARRIS
1890 D Quarter in ROTHERHAM Volume 09C Page 634
WILLIAMSON, ARTHUR PYGOTT mmnHARRIS
1893 J Quarter in ROTHERHAM Volume 09C Page 705
Looking at the Williamson births above Charles, Frederick, Rose & Lily
they are on 1881 census living 3 Top Engine, Greasborough, Yorkshire
1881 Piece: 4680 Folio: 81 Page Number: 10
Thomas Williamson 28 Thorne coal miner
Mary Ann Williamson 27 Staffs West Brom
Charles Williamson 7 Yorkshire Brad?
Frederick Williamson 5 ditto Thornehill
Rose Williamson 4 ditto Bradgate
Lily Williamson 1. Ditto Greaseboro
1871c Not found Thomas
1861 census Piece: 3525 Folio: 46 Page Number: 26
Charles Williamson 34
Jane Williamson 37
Ann Williamson 12
Robert Williamson 10
Mary A Williamson 9
Thomas Williamson 8 Yorks Thorne
Emma Williamson 4
John Potter Lodger 36
1851 Piece: 2349 Folio: 354 Page Number: 43
Charles Williamson 24
Jane Williamson 28
Ann Williamson 2
Robert Williamson 10 Mo
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Lily WILLIAMSON born c 1880 (mmn Harris) is with her grandparents 1891
Piece: 3856 Folio: 59 page 17
Chas Williamson 64
Jane Williamson 67
Lily Williamson granddau 10 Greasbro Yorks
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Ladyhawk -- you have worked SO hard on this and I so admire your perseverence with this complicated query.
I am currently resting my brain!!
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Charchar1
Can I ask do you have a birth certificate or marriage certificates of any of the children born to George & Mary from 1911 census?
If so, can you give details please to make sure we are looking for the correct people and don't duplicate information already found :)
Arthur Pygott Williamson age 19
Birth Greasbro, Yorkshire
Document Year: 1911
Regimental Number: 1409
Regiment Name: York and Lancaster Regiment
Number of Images: 24
Form Title: Territorial Force Attestation
spouse Laura
Next of kin
names below crossed out and wife Laura written above
Father George
Mother Mary
Brother George
Address 31 Eldon Road Eastwood Vale Rotherham
Charchar1
Is that the same address for the Arthur PYGOTT on 1911 census with parents George & Mary
APW married Mar 1914 Rotherham Laura GILBERT
Here are some deaths giving the date of births
Arthur Pygott Williamson age 79 born 22 Feb 1893
Sep 1972 Rotherham Volume: 2c Page: 1431
George Pygott Williamson age 89 born 30 Aug 1886
Dec 1975 Rotherham Volume: 3 Page: 0930
GPW appears to have married a Florrie THOMPSON Jun 1909 Rotherham
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parish marriage details for George
parish church of Northfield 25 April 1909
George Pygott Williamson 22 bach miner 31 Eldon Road Rotherham father George Pygott Williamson miner
Florrie Thompson 19 spinster 59 Neville St father George Thompson miner
witnesses George Thompson & Sarah Pearce
marriage for Frederick in St Stephen's, Eastwood 19 Dec 1911
Frederick Pygott Williamson 21 bach engine driver Eldon Road father's details blank
Mabel Seston 20 spinster Eldon Road father George Seston collier
witnesses Sarah Waterhouse & William Pygott Williamson
marriage for William in St Stephen's, Eastwood 2 June 1912
John William Pygott Williamson 23 bach labourer Eldon Road father's details blank
Sarah Waterhouse 21 Frederick Street father Charles Booth Waterhouse tripe dresser
witnesses Charles Edward Hopewell & Amelia Thompson Southwell
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Well found osprey - same address as the Army record detail for Arthur Pygott Williamson 31 Eldon Road
parish marriage details for George
parish church of Northfield 25 April 1909
George Pygott Williamson 22 bach miner 31 Eldon Road Rotherham father George Pygott Williamson miner
Florrie Thompson 19 spinster 59 Neville St father George Thompson miner
witnesses George Thompson & Sarah Pearce
marriage for Frederick in St Stephen's, Eastwood 19 Dec 1911
Frederick Pygott Williamson 21 bach engine driver Eldon Road father's details blank
Mabel Seston 20 spinster Eldon Road father George Seston collier
witnesses Sarah Waterhouse & William Pygott Williamson
marriage for William in St Stephen's, Eastwood 2 June 1912
John William Pygott Williamson 23 bach labourer Eldon Road father's details blank
Sarah Waterhouse 21 Frederick Street father Charles Booth Waterhouse tripe dresser
witnesses Charles Edward Hopewell & Amelia Thompson Southwell
Their ages a close match to these birth registrations posted
WILLIAMSON, GEORGE PYGOTT mmn HARRIS
1886 D Quarter in ROTHERHAM Volume 09C Page 621
WILLIAMSON, FRED PYGOTT mmn HARRIS
1890 D Quarter in ROTHERHAM Volume 09C Page 634
WILLIAMSON, JOHN WILLIAM PYGOTT mmn HARRIS
1888 S Quarter in ROTHERHAM Volume 09C Page 615
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From this post
Hi can anybody help me find a marriage record or marriage banns for george pygott and mary pygott they got married in 1871 acording to the 1911 census and they where from rotherham
Any help would be great thanks
From other post
Hi i am trying to find a baptism record for george pigott born 1850 his dads name was john pigott acording to his marriage certificate they where living in new market at the time. Any help would be great thanks
George pigott was married to louisa straw
We have been given very little information by the poster to work from and despite the great amount of info posted on both threads – we have been given no guidance as to whether we are on the right track
After 15 replies of extensive information on this post - this reply was received
So are we saying he had more than one family
I think we need to take a step back until more information is provided as follows:
What is her relationship to George?
Which of George’s children is she descended from?
What info has she found from earlier censuses following the 1871 marriage?
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forgot Arthur!
22 Feb 1914 St Stephen's, Eastwood
Arthur Pygott Williamson 21 bach labourer Eldon Road father's details blank
Laura Gilbert 23 spinster parish of Rotherham father William Gilbert lamplighter
witnesses William Gilbert & Daisy May Gilbert
So 3 of the sons didn't cover up their illegitimacy on the marriage entries.
1911 census for George & Florrie with a Charles Williamson boarding
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWK5-SNH
Later that year, marriage for Charles in St Stephen's Eastwood 5 Oct 1911
Charles Williamson 39 bach miner Hatherly Road father Thomas Williamson miner
Caroline Butterworth 40 spinster Hatherly Road father William Henry Butterworth (dec) cloth fuller
witnesses George & Florrie Williamson
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was looking for the older Williamson children and found this
1891 121 Effingham St, Rotherham RG12/3846 folio 103 pg 37
Thomas Williamson head mar 38 miner b. Thorne
Hannah wife 46 b. Ripon
Tom Robshaw son 16 labourer in works
George Robshaw son 14 errand boy
Willie Robshaw son 11
Harry Robshaw son 9
Florry Robshaw dau 6
Frederick Williamson son 16 pit boy
Jane Williamson dau 11 months - birth reg june qtr 1890 Rotherham vol 9c pg 593 mmn Robshaw
children all born Rotherham
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It would be helpful if Charchar responded to the replies. In particular - which child is she descended from? At least we would then know if the information posted is accurate and meets her requirements??
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was looking for the older Williamson children and found this
1891 121 Effingham St, Rotherham RG12/3846 folio 103 pg 37
Thomas Williamson head mar 38 miner b. Thorne
Hannah wife 46 b. Ripon
Tom Robshaw son 16 labourer in works
George Robshaw son 14 errand boy
Willie Robshaw son 11
Harry Robshaw son 9
Florry Robshaw dau 6
Frederick Williamson son 16 pit boy
Jane Williamson dau 11 months - birth reg june qtr 1890 Rotherham vol 9c pg 593 mmn Robshaw
children all born Rotherham
This appears to be Jane’s baptism
Jane Williamson Birth 04 May 1890
Baptism 23 Mar 1892 Rotherham Minster
Denomination Anglican
Father Thomas , miner mother Anna
It also appears she married a Robert Goldsbrough in 1909, father named as Thomas Williamson
Jane Goldsbrough is with her parents Thomas & Hannah Williamson on
1911c https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWKP-VMM
Plus their gd dau Maria Goldsbrough bn1910 (mmn Williamson)
ref. 1901 census Piece: 4361 Folio: 76 Page Number: 4
Thomas, Hannah & dau Jane Williamson & the 4 Robshaw children
Although his place of birth does not match I believe this is the same Thomas Williamson from the 1881 census married to Mary Ann and the above 1891 census (wife) Hannah see replies 28 & 36
I maybe proved incorrect but it would seem that Thomas Williamson and his wife Mary Ann parted sometime after 1881 census and met other people and could not marry their respective partners as they were still married to each other.
Mary went on to have children from 1886 with George Pygott (his wife Louisa nee Shaw died 1873) George & Mary are together on 1891/1901 & 1911 census and did not marry as Mary’s husband Thomas still living and likewise
Thomas Williamson bn c1853 (husband of Mary Ann) is on 1891/1901 & 1911 c with (wife ) named Hannah they had a daughter Jane born 1890 - I’ve not found a marriage for Thomas & Hannah ???
to disprove this theory :-\
I will not post any further info. until Charchar1 replies
It would be helpful if Charchar responded to the replies.
In particular - which child is she descended from?
At least we would then know if the information posted is accurate and meets her requirements??
I agree with you Carole :)
Charchar1 has been on this morning so it would be very helpful to have a reply back to see if any of the information posted on this thread by everyone concerned has helped in anyway.
EDIT to add - PaulineJ didn't get a reply as to whether this was the correct family
Hi can anybody help me find a marriage record or marriage banns for
george pygott and mary pygott they got married in 1871 acording to the 1911 census
and they where from rotherham
Any help would be great thanks
Is this the man & family? https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWK5-SYJ
from the above link to the census
George PYGOTT Head 59 Rotherham
Mary Wife 50 Staffordshire
William Son 23 Rotherham
Frederick Son 20 Rotherham
Arthur Son 18 Rotherham