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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Caernarvonshire => Topic started by: BAC3 on Tuesday 21 April 20 14:52 BST (UK)
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Hello,
On 21/12/1857 William HAMER married Anne JONES in St. Phillip, Birmingham......she had been born in 1835 in Aberystwyth. Her father, Richard JONES was a butcher. She died in the first quarter of 1869 in Caernavon aged 37.
In 1870 he re-married in Caernavon, his new wife Emma JONES, born 1841 also in Aberystwyth....no other details.
I am trying to establish whether or not the wives were actually sisters. Can anyone help please?
Thank you,
BAC3
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Can I just mention for anyone searching --- that the filmed record of the marriage of William Hamer and Anne Jones is on the Ancestry website.
HER father is actually WILLIAM Jones, a Butcher. (It's the groom's father who is named Richard).
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I am trying to establish whether or not the wives were actually sisters.
Marriage certificate in due course will see if they had the same fathers names so you can check further.
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There is a William Jones, Butcher in Aberystwyth in 1841 - aged 45 (rounded down) - he has several children including an 'Ann' and an Emma.
However the girls ages don't match the ones given -- so it may not be the correct family.
Ann is shown as 11 and Emma as 4. So may be just a coincidence.
Ref HO107/1372/3
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death reg for Emma Hamer 36 sept qtr 1875 Carnarvon vol 11b pg 316a
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So unless Anne and Emma had been understating their age -- it's not the same family in 1841. Just a coincidence with the place, the names and the father's occupation.
Jones is such a difficult name to research in Wales!
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the death notice for Ann gives her age as 37 in December 1869
https://newspapers.library.wales/view/3038921/3038925/89/
Possible baptism in St Michael's Aberystwyth 11 May 1830 for Ann daughter of William, butcher, and Jane of Little Dark Gate St. Also Mary Ann on that day to same parents which would be family with 4 year old Emma in 1841.
Emma was baptised 18 Sept 1836, same parents, of Pier Street.
Only one William Jones, butcher, in an 1844 directory.
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Wow Osprey I am really impressed with that piece of research.
I was quite thrilled about finding that entry in 1841 -- but you have put that right in the shade!!
The wife of William in 1841 was indeed called Jane.
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Sorry about my delay in responding!! But I couldn't interrupt the 4 hour "bio" of Joe COCKER" downloaded from SKY Arts 8) ::)
Thank you for answering my enquiry......I am delighted and very grateful, as will be the descendant with whom I am discussing William HAMER's slight brush with the law in 1856. Now everything falls very neatly into place: even allowing for Victorian "time-keeping"!!
For the moment,
BAC3
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if you use the parish baptisms search on FindMyPast, you can put in first names of parents. I wouldn't have found it otherwise. ;D
I've been wondering about the niece Jane from the 1871 census whose surname appears to be Hangeley. She married Robert Thomas june qtr 1875 as Hangley. It's not a surname that shows up around Aberystwyth. I wonder if she is the 7 month old Jane Jones who is a grand daughter of William Jones, butcher in the 1851 census HO107/2485 folio 277 pg 8. Possible birth reg sept qtr 1850 Aberystwyth vol 27 pg 14 mmn blank.
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did he become a councillor in later years? Lots of mentions in the newspaper archive
https://newspapers.library.wales/view/3606435/3606437/3/
as an example
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BAC3 -- why did you not tell us about the Joe Cocker bio!! (I don't know why I'm complaining as I don't have Sky - but I would have loved that).
Osprey if it's the same William Hamer - he did well if he had a previous brush with the law. Nowadays the press would have a field day with that.
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Your answers have been simply "A Little Help from My Friends".
William HAMER married for a 3rd time in 1878 and eventually died in 1923, leaving an Estate of some £5,837.18s.5d........a princely sum indeed!!! For most of his life he was a Pawnbroker, but towards the end he added Jeweller and Clothier to his repertoire!!
Not bad for a boy aged 16 who spent 12 months in Parkhurst Prison for receiving stolen goods.
BAC3
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William Hamer was a witness of the marriage of George White and Elizabeth Summer in Caernarfo in 1862. George and Elizabeth were my husband's 2 x great grandparents. George was born in Warwickshire, most probably Aston and was described as a hawker. In my childhood there was a shop in Caernarfon called Hamer's. Just seen the previous post about the shop. He did do well. Much better than George who remained a hawker and labourer and died in a lodging house in 1906.