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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Topic started by: aghadowey on Thursday 23 April 20 18:26 BST (UK)
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Harry Gilmour born c1858 Aylesbury, Bucks- parents Dr. William Gilmour & Elizabeth Eustace. They had 8 children (born in Ireland & England) & have been able to trace all of them except Harry.
- Bapt. 1859 Aylesbury https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N5V7-6FX
- 1861 Census- Buckingham Rd., Aylesbury, Bucks.: … son Harry Gilmour, 2, Aylesbury Bucks ...
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M7VF-YDN
- 1871 Census- Bobbingworth, Fyfield, Essex: … son Harry Gilmour, 10, Aylesbury Bucks ...
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KDZY-3HJ
Father William died c1881 (just before census) & mother Elizabeth at 410 Old Kent Rd,, Camberwell, London with a daughter. Cant find mother in1891 census but she died 1898 in Camberwell district.
Then I find this person-
Harry Eustace Gillmore (1882 Kensington, London) m.(1910) Ellen Gunn
- Birth: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2XKV-8RL (mother’s maiden name Glass)
- Marriage: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:WWG2-9L6Z (father- Harry Gillmore, butler)
- 1911: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWWT-DVJ
So I start looking for father Harry Gillmore, butler, with wife Mary Margaret Glass. Aside from Harry Eustace (1882) there are daughters Rose Maud May Glass/Gillmore (1880) & Lilian Mary Gillmore (1885). Even though they married c1878 (according to 1911 census) I can’t find marriage (daughter Rose's birth registered under Glass which indicated parents probably not married at that point) & in 1881, 1891, 1901 & 1911 Harry does not appear in same household as Mary & children.
- 1881- 22 Ifield Rd., Kensington: Mary Gilmour, 27, Soho Middlesex; dau. Rose M. Gilmour, 12 mo., Kensington
- 1891- 100 Acklam Rd., Kensington: wife Mary M. Gilmour, 35, St. Anne London; dau, Rose M. Gilmour, 11, Kensington, scholar; son Harry E. Gilmour, Kensington, scholar. Note: daughter Lilian patient in hospital
- 1901- 100 Acklam Rd., Kensington: Mary Gillmore, married, 45, Westminster London; dau. Rose Gillmore, 21, Kensington London, bookkeeper; son Harry Gillmore, 19, Kensington London, clerk in counting house; dau. Lilly Gillmore, 16, Kensington London, drapers cashier
- 1909- marriage of daughter Lily Mary Gillmore lists father as Harry Gillmore, butler
- 1911- 100 Acklam Rd., North Kensington: Mary M. Gilmore, 57, m.33 yrs, 3 ch./3 liv., Westminster; dau. Rose M. M. Gilmore
So, can anyone find this Harry Gillmore, butler, in 1881, 1891, 1901 (age & birthplace should help to confirm or rule out if he’s the Harry Gilmour born c1858 in Aylesbury); marriage of Harry Gillmore & Mary Margaret Glass? (if father is William, a doctor or surgeon, then he could belong to family I am tracing); death of Harry Gillmore, butler (after 1911?)
I do have more information on Dr. William Gilmour and his family but just trying to find out what happened to his son Harry (after 1871) and if the mysterious butler Harry Gillmore is same person.
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Mary Margaret Glass's mother's maiden name was Gillmore. Daughter of Kenneth Glass and Mary Ann Could they be related?
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At first I thought that heading can't find a butler during lockdown meant you were looking for one personally ;D
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Mary Margaret Glass's mother's maiden name was Gillmore. Daughter of Kenneth Glass and Mary Ann Could they be related?
I don't think they were related. Harry Gilmour's father was from the North of Ireland. However, following on from your information I started looking at Mary Margaret's family which I confess I hadn't done. Kenneth Glass, brass finisher born Scotland or possibly Ireland, and mother Mary born England. However, searching for the father brings up a VERY interesting marriage-
19 July 1885 St. Luke's Church Westminister- Frederick Kaltenback to Margaret Mary Glass, father- Kenneth Glass, age 23. By the time of this marriage she had Rose (born 1880 and registered as Glass), Harry Eustace (born 1882 and registered as Gillmore) & baby Lilian (registered as Gillmore Jan./Mar.1885).
In 1891 census (and later) Margaret Mary using Gillmore as surname and no sign of a Mr. Gillmore or a Mr. Kaltenback!
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At first I thought that heading can't find a butler during lockdown meant you were looking for one personally ;D
;D ;D ;D
No need of a butler here at the moment, Milliepede. Housework all caught up, no silver needs polishing, don't need anyone to answer door since we aren't having any visitors :)
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For what it's worth there's a death of a Frederick Kaltenback in 1918, burial/cremation 28.2.1918 in Camden. This death does not seem to appear on Freebmd?
Edit: yes it does Friedricn Kaltenback aged 55 mq Marylebone 1a 676.
Also a baptism of a Helen Christina Kaltenback 2.1.1889 St Luke's Westminster.parents Frederick & Margaret Mary
John
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Thanks for that bit- just started searching for him. Saw name also as Kaltenbuck in FREEBMD.
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Online tree has a
son daughter born 1886 to Friedrich Kaltenbacher & Margaret Mary Glass! (could be more have just started looking)
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1901 census in King St, Westminster RG13/97 folio 157 pg 45 with 4 children
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Plot thickens...
Margaret Mary Glass, daughter of Kenneth Glass & Mary, married 1886 Frederick Kaltenback and had 4 children between 1886-1898. Family appear together in records at the same time 'my' Mary Gillmore and her children are alive so this Margaret Mary Glass isn't one I'm looking for :-\
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there are 2 birth registrations
Mary Margaret Glass dec qtr 1853 St James Westminster vol 1a pg 287 mmn Gillmore
She was baptised as Mary Margaret Gilmore Glass in St Luke's, Westminster 14 Jan 1855 daughter of Kenneth & Mary Ann 82 Bennet St, dob noted as 20 Sept 1854 although birth reg makes her a year older.
Margaret Mary Glass sept qtr 1860 St James vol 1a pg 317 mmn Gilmore
She was baptised Margaret Mary Glass in the same church 20 Aug 1871 same parents 11 Carlisle St Soho dob 20 July 1860
1861 census
St James Westminster RG9/61 folio 83 pg 74
Kenneth Glass head mar 43 brass finisher b. Ireland
Mary Ann wife 34 b. London
Mary M dau 7 b. St James
Margaret M dau 9 months b. St James
so looks like sisters
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Ah... got confused by Mary Margaret and Margaret Mary.
Am wondering if Harry Gillmore, the butler, was made up :-\
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it's not beyond the realms of possibility is it? First name of the children's father was Harry and she used her mother's maiden name. I haven't spotted a marriage for Kenneth Glass & Mary Ann Gilmore as yet...
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