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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Buckinghamshire => Topic started by: Newfloridian on Friday 24 April 20 08:30 BST (UK)
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I came across the following entry in the FreeBMD indexes for June 1906 Winslow 3a 1675:
Haines Charles
Newman Lucy Ann
Newman Mary Kate
Smith Albert John
It generated these questions: What's the betting this is just a coincidence of names? What's the better bet that Lucy Ann and Mary Kate are sisters. Indeed in the family I am studying, Charles Newman and Rose Ann Cook did have two daughters with those names born in 1880 and 1885. The family lived in Gran(d)borough
Now, Mary Kate Newman did marry Albert John Smith. She had a son named Percy in 1907.
Then as Mary Kate Smith she married Albert Norman in the Winslow District in 1920.
Next question: Where did Albert John Smith go? Casualty of WWI? Casualty of Spanish flu? With a name like that almost impossible to determine
The, who was Charles Haines? I can see four Haines / Newman births between 1919 and 1934 in Amesbury and Charles, now a widower, with the two named offspring, is in the 1939 Register (the other two are redacted).
If this is the Charles who married Lucy Ann Newman, I can't find a death certificate for her that would fit the dates.
I have the transcripts CD for Grandborough but it only goes as far as 1901. Are the Parish Registers for 1906 available anywhere to show whether they were sisters and indeed married on the same day?
One small entry in the indexes - a whole heap of extra questions. I guess the only other alternative would be the two marriage certificates but with the GRO seemingly in lockdown who knows how long that would take
Alan
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I found both couples in 1911 and both women were born in Grandborough, years of birth a bit out
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Thanks, yes - found Lucy Ann in London in 1911. I must admit I'm getting a bit jaded by the amount of misinformation that was written in this particular census. Although Charles states that she was 34 at the time of the census the GRO indexes record her as Q2 1879
Still trying to determine what happened to her after the birth of child 4 in 1934 and the date of the 1939 Register when Charles is declared a widower
Alan
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Still trying to determine what happened to her after the birth of child 4 in 1934 and the date of the 1939 Register when Charles is declared a widower
Are all the children living with Charles?
Sorry you said they were.
If Lucy Ann was born 1879 then isn't 1934 too late for her to be having children :-\
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The 1939 Charles is not the same person as the one who married Lucy Ann Newman.
He was a Charles H. Haines who married a Dorothy M. Newman in 1917 Salisbury, Wiltshire.
Annette
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Hmm ... back to square one (and a half) methinks!
Now searching for both of them post - 1911
Alan
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Lucy A Haines
aged 59 (b 1877)
Sept 1936
Ludlow
Probate
Haines Lucy Ann of Glencoe Terrace, Ludlow, Salop ( wife of Charles Haines) died 22 Sept 1936 Administration Shrewsbury 15 Oct to the said Charles Haines, Railway carriage & wagon examiner. Effects £105 10s 8d
Matches Charles occupation in 1911
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Death
Charles Haines
aged 87 ( b1877)
Dec 1964
Ludlow
Probate
Haines Charles of 1 Glencoe Terrace, Station Drive, Ludlow, Shropshire died 9 November 1964 at Ludlow District Hospital. Probate Chester 22 January to Edith Lucy Haines spinster. Effects £ 1548
Birth
Edith L Haines
Dec 1917
Paddington
mmn Newman
GRO shows Edith Lucy
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Many thanks - that sorts that
Alan
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It would still be nice, though, to see the Parish Register for 1906 to confirm that as sisters they were in fact married on the same day.
Alan
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Putting the names into the newspaper search brought up nothing and to double check I looked at the Bucks Herald marriage announcements from March 30th to July 7th but they are not there.
The other papers online Buckingham Express, Buckingham Advertiser & Free Press and Croydon Weekly Standard don't carry announcements.
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Yes, I'd done the same.
I've also put in a query to the Buckinghamshire FHS and have been referred to the Centre for Buckinghamshire Studies. I await their response, hopefully, next week.
Latest I have on GRO deliveries: I ordered some death pdfs on April 9th and was given as estimated delivery date of April 17th. Still waiting. No idea what the delivery for paper marriage certificates would be!
Alan
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Just for reference, the pdfs mentioned above that I ordered from the GRO on April 9th 2020 were finally delivered on May 14th 2020 - except for one which followed on May 19th 2020.
Is lockdown loosening yet?
Alan