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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Surrey => Topic started by: LizzieL on Saturday 25 April 20 11:27 BST (UK)
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Willie Challen appears as a one year old child b Surbiton on the 1881 census. He is with the household of John Trevatt b Pulborough, Sussex 1830/1831, his wife Ann nee Edwards b abt 1838 Godalming, and sons Charles, James and George. The household is living in Upton cum Chalvey near Eton. He is just listed as "relation" on the census form.
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Can anyone find out who Willie's parents were, please?.
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I think Surbiton comes under Kingston upon Thames if I am right
Have you gone forward to next census
Louisa Maud
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1901 shown as nephew to Anne Trevall, she being a widow, he is now 21
Louisa Maud
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Here might be a connection
03/10/1859
St Geo the Martyr
John Trevatt full age of Albion Street , occ Tailor father Charles occ Tailor
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Ann Edwards full age father James occ Baker
Witnesses
STEPHEN CHALLEN and Prudence Dunn
Louisa Maud
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Here might be a connection
03/10/1859
St Geo the Martyr
John Trevatt full age of Albion Street , occ Tailor father Charles occ Tailor
to
Ann Edwards full age father James occ Baker
Witnesses
STEPHEN CHALLEN and Prudence Dunn
Louisa Maud
Thank you, I had downloaded the marriage record, but some time ago, before I started looking for Willie Challen.
After my original post I had found Ellen Trevatt (John and Anne's oldest child ) with Stephen Challen and other children. She is described as niece.
So is Stephen Challen connected to the Trevatt side or the Edwards side? I suspect Edwards as they are from Surrey rather than Sussex.
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Good find LM ;D
Stephen Challen married Maria Edwards daughter of James Edwards in 1853
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Several trees on Ancestry suggest that Willie's mother was Sarah Jane Challen, Stephen's daughter.
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Thank you everyone.
Ann Edwards (wife of John Trevatt) and Maria (wife of Stephen Challen) would be sisters then, which is why Ellen Trevatt is listed as Stephen's niece. I have found a likely death for Maria Challen in Q2 1878 age 45. That's at least a year before Willie is born (if age on census is correct, so she cannot have been his mother. If Willie was the son of her (and Stephen's) daughter then Willie would be Ann Trevatt's great nephew. Possibly John Trevatt couldn't work out that the child was his great nephew in law so just said he was a relation. Still can't find a birth registration for Willie.
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Sarah Jane Challen is with Stephen and some siblings in 1901. If Willie is her son I wonder why he is not with them.
Sarah Jane married Augustus Justus Kimber on 11 April 1906 at Woking age 41 and spinster. George Challen was a witness.
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Just to recap, did you find a birth registration for young Willie?
Louisa Maud
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Just to recap, did you find a birth registration for young Willie?
Louisa Maud
No. There is an Edwin Challen in Kingston RD but he would probably have just turned 2 by 1881 census, otherwise no male Challens around the right time. Edwin's mmn is Bradley. Levi Challen and Elizabeth Bradley married Clapham in 1870, his father was William Challen. Looks like completely separate family.
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Found William in 1911. He is head of household and Ann Trevatt (aunt ) is with him and his family
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Would have thought there would be a registration, have you looked at just Willie born around that time, or is that his second name, he might be a william of course, or go forward to 1939 if you can, can't access my own computer at this moment, 1901 he was still Willie Challen
As a matter of interest my husband family were Challen but they were from Kent areas
Was their a will for Mr trevatt?
Louisa Maud
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How about birth 2nd qtr 1879?
Louisa Maud
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I have dob from the 1939 of 1 May 1879, fits with age in 1881, he would be abt 1 year and 11 months. Puts registration squarely in Q2 1879. I have also found a William Challen in 1891 as a pupil at British Orphan Asylum at Upton cum Chalvey. But he is listed as 14 and born in Brighton.
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What about a marriage
1904 Eton
Willie Challen
To
Lilian A Passingham
Louisa Maud
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poss death 1950 aged 70 Eton district, buried St Mary's churchyard Slough Buckinghamshire, headstone but know no D of B, headstone like a book with Lilian Anne on other side
Louisa Maud
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The wife's name on 1911 was Lillian Annie, so looks like right marriage. Some on line trees have her maiden name as Passingham, so might have been a widow.
Have checked mmn of all Willie / Williams reg in Q2 1879 Kingston. None with mmn Challen but there is a William Stone with mmn Challis.
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2 Challen lads born Eton both have MMN Passingham
I think a marriage cert would be a good idea
Louisa Maud
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MMN Passingham
Cannot make out why he wasn't registered
Louisa Maud
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Hi - I have just joined the website, today and seen your chat regarding Willie Challen, and may be able to help. He was my great grandfather.
Willie was born to Sarah Jane Challen who was around 16, and unmarried, and hence no father on the certificate. We believe she was sent to Brighton, to have him, and he was then registered in Surrey. Sarah went back to live in her fathers home (Stephen Challen). Willie, instead of being abandoned, was brought up by his great aunt, Anne Trevatt (sister of Sarahs mother). Sarah never had another child, and only married in her forties, to Justus Kimber, after her father died. Willie went on to marry my great grandmother Lillian Passingham. They had 3 sons (William John, Albert and my grandad, Leonard). Willie never met his mother, but when she died in 1922, she left him an inheritance in her will. My grandfather remembers his father introducing him to a man who was said to be his uncle George (younger brother of Sarah). My grandfather went on to live until 2005.
My father speaks fondly of his grandad, Willie, and I can confirm that he died around 1950 and is buried in the main church in Slough with my great grandmother.
As a little side note, I do have a family bible, with all of the Trevatts names in it, along with my great grandfathers. It was this bible that spurred me on to find out who they were, as the family had obviously buried this secret for many years.
Please let me know if there is anything else you would like to know. His story has always fascinated me.
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Hello and welcome to Rootschat.
Thank you so much for all the information on Willie. My connection is with the Trevatt family. John Trevatt (who married Anne Edwards) was my 1st cousin 3 times removed - so quite distant. I would be interested in which Trevatts are mentioned in the family Bible you have. John Trevatt's parents were Charles Trevatt and Mary Stace, and Charles's parents were another John Trevatt and Esther Child who were also my direct ancestors.