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Title: Llansannan births
Post by: Quarryman on Sunday 26 April 20 12:06 BST (UK)
Can anyone help me in tracing the births of John Parry (circa 1657) and Lowry Williams (circa 1660) in Llansannan. I have their marriage in 1683 in Llansannan - thanks to Clwyd FHS. Are their any existing parish records/Bishops transcripts pre-1666 anywhere?
Title: Re: Llansannan births
Post by: Gadget on Sunday 26 April 20 14:04 BST (UK)
I think those dates are pre-parish records for Llansannan. See

https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/DEN/Llansannan#ChurchRecords


Gadget
Title: Re: Llansannan births
Post by: Quarryman on Monday 27 April 20 09:32 BST (UK)
Hi Gadget,

As I feared, so that is it.

Nice to hear from you again. Stay safe.
Title: Re: Llansannan births
Post by: Gadget on Monday 27 April 20 10:09 BST (UK)
It's sad when that happens but you're lucky to get back that far without hitting the patronymics! Is there anything in the marriage entry of naming of children that might help  :-\

You take care too.

Gadget
Title: Re: Llansannan births
Post by: Quarryman on Monday 27 April 20 11:57 BST (UK)
That's my line of thinking - children were Thomas, Hugh and Harry. Harry is my line of ancestry.

All the children are named as "ap John" in Bishops Transcripts. Harry becomes Jones via patronymics, with his son named as Robert Jones.

Anglican clergy of that time have a lot to answer for!
Title: Re: Llansannan births
Post by: Gadget on Monday 27 April 20 13:10 BST (UK)
An outside possibility of John Parry being a John ap Harry

 :-\
Title: Re: Llansannan births
Post by: Quarryman on Monday 27 April 20 14:24 BST (UK)
Have a Harry Parry buried in Llansannan in 1694, which would give a time frame of him being John Parry's father.

No other details in parish register. Parry seems to be an uncommon name in Llansannan parish registers. Just a handful in bmd's
Title: Re: Llansannan births
Post by: Gadget on Monday 27 April 20 15:27 BST (UK)
Have you tried Welsh wills? Sometimes they come up trumps.
Title: Re: Llansannan births
Post by: Quarryman on Tuesday 28 April 20 10:28 BST (UK)
Hi Gadget,

historical wills are an area outside my expertise - would a manual labourer leave a will? If so, where would I look.
Title: Re: Llansannan births
Post by: Gadget on Tuesday 28 April 20 10:30 BST (UK)
I've not had much luck with labourers before the more recent times but pre 1858 ones are here:

https://www.library.wales/discover/library-resources/wills