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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => London and Middlesex => Topic started by: springer5 on Monday 27 April 20 21:30 BST (UK)
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Good Evening,
I am researching John Murphy born in Cork 1795, he has Daniel with I'm guessing his first wife in Peckham, Surrey in 1835ish, I'm not sure of her name, but then I have found possibly a second marriage to Mary Ann Hendry, in St Leonards, Shoreditch in 1836, John is down as a widower,she is supposedly born in St Luke's in 1818.
They go on to have more children, though I can't find baptisms for them, and can't find them in the 1841, 1861 or further censuses. John Murphy is a silk dyer.
Any help appreciated, thankyou
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Is this the family in 1851?
Hudsons Court, Saint Leonard Shoreditch
John Murphy Head Dyers Labourer Ireland
Mary A Murphy - St Luke's, Middlesex
Daniel Murphy Dyers Labourer Surrey
Thomas Murphy - Northgate, Middlesex
Catherine Murphy - Shoreditch, Middlesex
John Murphy Son- Sho reditch, Middlesex
Mary A Murphy -Shoreditch, Middlesex
Timothy Murphy Nephew Porter Shoreditch, Middlesex
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1861 Shoreditch St Leonard's
5 York Place
John Murphy 60 silk Dyer born Cork Ireland
Mary wife 44 mangler born St Luke's Middlesex
John son 13 french polisher born Shoreditch
Bridget Murphy sister in law Married 24 born Limerick Ireland
John nephew 6 days old born Shoreditch
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yes thats the familu in 1851, though I can't find them in further censuses.
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yes thats the familu in 1851, though I can't find them in further censuses.
1851 c https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGNF-8HL
John Murphy Head 56 Dyers Labourer Ireland
Mary A Murphy Wife 33 St Lukes, Middlesex
Daniel Murphy Son 16 Pickham, Surrey
Thomas Murphy Son 7 Northgate, Middlesex
Catherine Murphy dau 5 Shoreditch, Middlesex
John Murphy Son 3 Shoreditch, Middlesex
Mary A Murphy Daughter Female 1 Shoreditch, Middlesex
Timothy Murphy Nephew Male 23 Shoreditch, Middlesex
1861 Shoreditch St Leonard's
5 York Place
John Murphy 60 silk Dyer born Cork Ireland
Mary wife 44 mangler born St Luke's Middlesex
John son 13 french polisher born Shoreditch
Bridget Murphy sister in law Married 24 born Limerick Ireland
John nephew 6 days old born Shoreditch
Is this not the same Murphy family on 1861c posted by amondg?
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The Bridget Murphy listed as sister in law in 1861 is actually daughter in law. Son Daniel Murphy married Bridget Quill 1860 City of London
Their son John registered Shoreditch 1861 (age 6 days on 1861 census)
1871 census Old Kent Road, Lambeth
Daniel Murphy 35 born Old Kent Road Lambeth
Bridget 34 born Ireland
John 9 born Hoxton (registered Shoreditch 1861)
Margaret 7 born Lambeth (registered 1865)
Mary Ann 4 born Lambeth (registered 1866 Lambeth)
All children have mothers maiden name Quill.
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The Bridget Murphy listed as sister in law in 1861 is actually daughter in law. Son Daniel Murphy married Bridget Quill 1860 City of London
Their son John registered Shoreditch 1861 (age 6 days on 1861 census)
1871 census Old Kent Road, Lambeth
Daniel Murphy 35 born Old Kent Road Lambeth
Bridget 34 born Ireland
John 9 born Hoxton (registered Shoreditch 1861)
Margaret 7 born Lambeth (registered 1865)
Mary Ann 4 born Lambeth (registered 1866 Lambeth)
All children have mothers maiden name Quill.
Good spot
I've not had any luck finding John Murphy 56 dyers Lab., Mary Anne 33 & Daniel 16 (from the 1851c) on the 1841 census together ???
Are any of these birth entries the children of John MURPHY & Mary Ann HENDRY who married Nov 1836 in St Leonards Shoreditch or are they from a different Murphy/Hendry marriage?
Julia MURPHY mmn HENDRY
1838 M Quarter in THE SHOREDITCH DISTRICT Volume 02 Page 303
John MURPHY mmn HENDRY
1840 J Quarter in SAINT GEORGE THE MARTYR SOUTHWARK Volume 04 Page 388
Timothy MURPHY mmn HENDRY
1840 J Quarter in ST OLAVE'S UNION SOUTHWARK Volume 04 Page 425
Mary MURPHY mmn HENDRY
1842 M Quarter in WESTMINSTER Volume 01 Page 416
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At the moment I'm inclined to say it's a different John Murphy who married Mary Hendry as the John born 1840 and Mary 1842 don't match the 1851 census. John was born 1848 and Mary 1850.
Unless of course the first two are deceased and later children given the same names?
I cannot find any of those listed in 1851, Thomas 1844, Catherine 1846, John 1848 and Mary A 1850 registered with a mother of the same name. I was going with Martell/Mortal but that turned out to be Edmund Murphy and Catherine Mortel married 1841.So back to square one.
Timothy is a clue though as they have a nephew by that name with them in 1851.
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At the moment I'm inclined to say it's a different John Murphy who married Mary Hendry as the John born 1840 and Mary 1842 don't match the 1851 census. John was born 1848 and Mary 1850.
Unless of course the first two are deceased and later children given the same names?
That was my thoughts also :-\
I cannot find any of those listed in 1851, Thomas 1844, Catherine 1846, John 1848 and Mary A 1850 registered with a mother of the same name.
I was going with Martell/Mortal but that turned out to be Edmund Murphy and Catherine Mortel married 1841.So back to square one.
Timothy is a clue though as they have a nephew by that name with them in 1851.
I had found the same Martell/Mortal birth entries as you but had not looked for a marriage
Will see if I can find a Timothy Murphy on 1841 census to either rule him in or out
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thankyou, yes Quill is Daniels wifes maiden name, though in 1861 she is with John and Mary ann though lised as sister in lawand not daughter in law, as she was, though no sign of John and Marys other children and Daniel