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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Staffordshire => Topic started by: juliep123 on Monday 22 August 05 21:47 BST (UK)
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Any info regarding any Rose especiall Thomas and Ann(daughter) from Rowley Regis, She may be my Gt Gmother, ann was born approx 1885, thomas approx 1855
Cheers
Julie
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Hi Julie,
Does this look like the right family? (There are several Thomas Roses in Rowley Regis, but this is the only one with an Ann of the right age).
1891
51 Village, Rowley Regis, Staffordshire
Rose, Thomas abt 1852 Rowley Regis, Staffordshire, Head , coal miner
Rose, Mary abt 1853 Rowley Regis, Staffordshire, Wife
Rose, Jane abt 1872 Rowley Regis, Staffordshire, Daughter, jewel maker
Rose, William abt 1874 Rowley Regis, Staffordshire, Son
Rose, Sarah abt 1877 Rowley Regis, Staffordshire, Daughter
Rose, Thomas abt 1880 Rowley Regis, Staffordshire, Son
Rose, Joseph abt 1883 Rowley Regis, Staffordshire, Son
Rose, Ann abt 1885 Rowley Regis, Staffordshire, Daughter
Rose, George abt 1887 Rowley Regis, Staffordshire, Son
Rose, Harry abt 1890 Rowley Regis, Staffordshire, Son
Cheers,
Ros
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Rose, Jane abt 1872 Rowley Regis, Staffordshire, Daughter, jewel maker
I think that should read Rivet maker - not too many jewel makers in Rowley ;)
I am very excited about this post Julie because I have been looking at Rose-es from Rowley Regis because one of my lot came from there.
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I think this is the same Thomas as Ros found for you
1861 Rowley Village, Rowley Regis, Rg9-2038/70
Thomas Rose,head,m,41,coal miner,Staffs,RR
Sarah Rose,wife,m,39,Staffs,RR
Sarah Rose,dau,11,RR
Thomas Rose,son,9,RR
Ann Maria Rose,dau,6m,RR
Isral Morris,lodger,m,21,coal miner,Staffs,Tipton
Hannah Morris,wife,m,20,nailor,RR
George Morris,son,1,RR
James Morris,son,3w,RR
I am not sure there is any connection with my family - i need to have a go at the 1851 census really to sort out which family is which.
All census information is Crown Copywright
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Whoops, yes, it does say rivet maker :P
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Hi Ros ;D
This looks like the right Roses, on ann's marriage cert her father Thomas is a coal miner by profession, and was also a witness, and signed his name 'x'. But what is bafflig me is what they were doing in shirebrook, even in the 1901 census they are still in Rowley Regis, all apart from Mother!
Thanks
Julie
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Hi Gardner
I dont think that your Roses are the right bunch unfortunately, Ann has always been plain old Ann, and motherI am sure was Mary.Never mind, you never know we may still have a connection somewhere!
Thanks
Julie
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Hi Gardner
I dont think that your Roses are the right bunch unfortunately, Ann has always been plain old Ann, and motherI am sure was Mary.Never mind, you never know we may still have a connection somewhere!
Thanks
Julie
Hi Julie
I think you misunderstood maybe. I was trying to give you your Thomas Rose (born 1852 and a coal miner in the 1891 from Ros) but in the 1861 census. He is there aged 9 with his parents Thomas and Sarah. Can't be sure that it is correct but this family is living in the same bit of Rowley Regis and Thomas snr is a coal miner too.
The move to Shirebrook is a bit puzzling isn't it? I just had a look at
http://www.pitwork.net/sbrook2.htm and it says there that the population at Shirebrook jumped from 567 in 1891 to 6200 in 1901! So probably your Rose family would move there in search of a better job or if they had lost their own jobs.
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Hi again Gardener,
You were right, I did misunderstand,( ??? I am blonde!!) ave you any idea how to find out if these are definately the right people? wil my Gfathers birth cert give mothers place of birth, if father is present?
Regards
Julie
PS please excuse spelling mistakes it looks like my keyboard is giving up.
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If you are sure that you have the right family in 1891 then I think collecting the other census entries will help.
You have Thomas at
1901: 51 The Village, Rowley Regis (Thomas Rose head 49 widr)
1891: 51 The Village, Rowley Regis (Thomas Rose head 39, wife Mary)
1881: 90 The Village, Rowley Regis (Thomas head 29, wife Mary)
1871: Rowley Village (Sarah Rose head 50, son Thomas 20 coal miner)
1861: Rowley Village (Thomas head 41, son Thomas 9)
Here is the 1871
Rg10-2993/67
Rowley Village
Sarah Rose,head,w,50,Staffs,Rowley regis
Thomas Rose,son,unm,20,coal miner,Staffs,Rowley Regis
William Rose,son,4,Staffs,Rowley Regis
Israel Morris,son in law,m,30,coal miner,Worcs,Tipton
Hannah Morris,dau,30,nail maker,Staffs,Rowley regis
George Morris,g son,12,Staffs,Rowley regis
James morris,g son,10,Staffs,Rowley Regis
And in 1881
72 Birmingham Rd, Rowley regis
Israil Morris,head,m,40, coal miner,Staffs,Tipton
Hannah Morris,wife,m,40,nail maker,Staffs, Rowley Regis
George Morris,son,unm,21,labourer,Staffs,Rowley Regis
Jane Rose,neice,9,scholar,Staffs,Rowley Regis
(this Jane Rose seems to be daughter of your Thomas, she is there in the 1891 cesus that Ros gave you but missing from the family in the 1881 census so I think that ties the families together)
So, I think these entries all fit together OK.
If you get your Thomas's birth certificate it should give you his place of birth, father's name and occupation and mother's name and maiden name.
(Census information is Crown Copywright)
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Thanks very much Gardener, that gives me something to go on, you will have to let me know if you find the connection that you are looking for
Regards
Julie.
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Is anyone researching this family: Thomas ROSE b.1852 Rowley Regis = Mary Ann SMITH/PARKES b. 1853?
Jane b. 1872 no issue
William = Anna 2nd - Issue: Horace, Evelyn...
Sarah = Edward TOYE - Issue: Mary, Rachel, William, Doris
Thomas = Emily - Issue: 3 daughters - Vic, Vera...
Joseph - Issue: Jane, Alice, Joseph, Lillian, Doris, Horace, Madge BLOOD (Barbara, Sylvia, Brian Terrence), Eileen...
Anne = Jack HARRIS - Issue: Jack,Stanley - John Patrick, Roger Graham...Julie...
George = Ester Issue: Herbert, Ted, Dennis...
Harry = Phoebe - Issue: Archibald Stanley, Thomas Edward, daughter...
Alice = Frederick PAYNE
Kate = Cyril H GUEST - Issue: 8 children - grandchildren, ggrandchildren...
Lillian = Alfred BAKER - Issue: Eric and Alan... :)