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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Nottinghamshire => Topic started by: SandraEve on Friday 01 May 20 16:31 BST (UK)
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I have a brick wall re my gg grandmother Jane May. I just cannot find a baptism entry for her. On her marriage certificate 1855 her age is 22 (so born abt 1833) Father Thomas May a cordwainer. I have found two families with the surname May on the 1841census both St Marys parish Nottingham and both with a Jane May aged 9 (so born abt 1832). The first (HO107 869/6) Jane has three siblings, father Thomas May cordwainer, mother Amelia. I have found baptism/birth entries for these three siblings with father as Thomas May cordwainer, mother Melicent. I assume Amelia is short for Melicent.
The second family (HO 107 869/8) has father Thomas May a labourer wife Jane . On this census there is a Jane May and her three siblings. I have found baptism/birth entries for Jane and her three siblings with father Thomas May labourer and mother Jane.
I would be grateful for any suggestions to help further my research.
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Who were the witnesses when she married
Who did she marry and where
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https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=820910.
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She married Henry Bullock in Aston Warwickshire. The witnesses were George Williams and Fred, unfortunately I can't make out the surname. Jane was illiterate.
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Have you considered Quaker or non-conformist sources?
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Yes I searched non conformists but not quakers. Do you know where I would search quakers ?
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She married Henry Bullock in Aston Warwickshire. The witnesses were George Williams and Fred, unfortunately I can't make out the surname. Jane was illiterate.
Witness was Frederick James Roberts.
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Thank you for transcribing Roberts
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Interesting as in 1851 Amelia is his Housekeeper;
Thomas May 41
Amelia Booth 36
Harriett Booth 14
Eliza Booth 11
Robert Booth 9
Thomas Booth 3 Mo
1841
Thomas May 30
Amelia May 30
Henry May 11
Jane May 9
Harriett May 5
Eliza May 2
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This is proving to be a difficult family to research. In the 1851 census the May children have been transcribed as Booth in error.
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These are the baptisms I can see for Thomas and Jane, all at Nott St Mary, with details as available on the CD:
1819 12 23 Thomas father a Servant abode Glass House Lane
1826 09 17 Mary Ann Labourer Lincoln St
1828 03 10 Elizabeth Labourer Goose Gate
1830 10 25 George Labourer Pilcher Gate
1832 10 14 Jane Labourer Barker Gate
These are the ones for Thomas and Millicnet, the first 2 at St Mary and the third at St nicholas:
1828 09 19 Mary Charlsworth father a Shoe Maker abode Rose Row
1830 05 23 Henry Cordwainer Barker Gate
dob 1838 10 00 but date of baptism 1897 03 28 Harriet father a Boot Maker St Nicholas St NOTTINGHAM St Nicholas
Thomas May m Melicent Creswell in Radford in 1828. I can't see a marriage on the disc for Thomas and Jane.
I'm not sure if any of this helps as I can't see a baptism for a second Jane, and it looks as though both families wereliving on Barker Gate at some point! But you never know-----
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Having just reread your first post, I'd go with the cordwainer family, as at least the baptism records are consistent on that as an occupation. And cordwainers were skilled craftsmen, not to be confused with labourers.
and looking at the marriage cert, I think the witneses were:
1.George Williams
2.Fredk Jas Roberts
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Interesting as in 1851 Amelia is his Housekeeper;
--which may be true, as n 1851 Thomas said he was widowed.
Which of course raises the question -when did Millicent die?
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I think I'm going daft.
Millicent's mmn was Creswell. In 1841, she's not there, but Amelia is.
more children are born between 1841-51.
in 1851, Thomas says he's widowed, and Amelia's name is Booth and she's a housekeeper.
But looking just at one child -- Robert, b 1842 -- mmn was Cresswell. So was Millicent still around but just not at home in 1841? Did the enumerator miss her off?
here's her death:
Deaths Jun 1847
May Melicent Nottingham 15 422
Then there's baby Thomas May in the 1851 household, just 3 months old, and the only birth reg I can see for him suggest a mmn of Dalley. I can't see any May-Dalley marriages to suggest who Thomas's mum may be.
in 1861, Thomas has another wife, Elizabeth -- this might be the relevant marriage:
1858 07 09 Thomas MAY and Elizabeth FRAM NOTTINGHAM St Paul
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Thank you for your research and the information. I think Millicent may have died in childbirth, 1847. I am also leaning towards the cordwainer family as the facts are consistent. I have not found Milicent as visiting elsewhere 1841 census. We know there are errors on the census.
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I did find a Marriage for Ameia DALLEY tto a William BOOTH somewhere, back soon
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29 Dec 1839, St Paul,Nottingham
Amelia DALLEY to William BOOTH
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Now to muddy the waters William/Amelia Booth are together in 1841 Census.
So is Amelia in the 1841 really Millicent, Thomas Mays Wife?
Amelia is as Booth 1871/1881 Census with a Son George born c 1855
BOOTH, GEORGE mmn DALLEY
GRO Reference: 1855 D Quarter in NOTTINGHAM Volume 07B Page 191
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I have assumed that Amelia and Millicent are one of the same. Lets say that Millicent was either missed off the 1841 census or not at home and Amelia is listed as May not Booth. Millicent dies in childbirth 1847 and Thomas May is a widow on the 1851 census, Amelia is housekeeper, there is a baby Thomas three months old but there is a death entry for him 1847 S quarter v15 p 382. The birth of Thomas May (mother Cresswell) and the death of Millicent are both in the June Q 1847. Time for further research. Thank you both
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I think I have finally fathomed the workings of this family. I am going with Millicent was left off the 1841 census for whatever reason. Amelia was their housekeeper, she married William Booth in 1839.
Millicent probably died in or around childbirth 1947. Amelia had a son Thomas in 1850. There are three death entries for William Booth 1844/48/51. I have been unable to find Thomas or Amelia on the 1861 census under the name May, Booth or Dalley. There is a death entry for a Thomas Dalley age 0 Sept Q 1851 Nottingham.
I have contacted Nottingham Archives to ask if there are gaps in the parish registers because i still don't know for sure that Jane May born abt 1831 is my GG grandmother without finding a baptism for her
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It's not the 1848 death in Nottingham - that's a two year old
Q4 1844 is aged 66
Q1 1851 is aged 48
Both seem a bit old for Amelia?
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There’s a death in 1868 for a 62 year old Thomas in Nottingham - this may well be him.
I think the Thomas who died in 1847 was probably Thomas and Melicent’s baby. There was another child, George Frederick, who was born and died without appearing on the censuses or baptism lists too.
As mentioned earlier in the thread, the whole family is wrongly indexed as Booth in 1861. There was only one Thomas born in Kent around 1807ish and living in Nottingham as an adult, so try searching on those parameters!
Mabel Bagshawe, you’ve lost me with your last post - there doesn’t seem to be an 1848 death, and we know Thomas didn’t die in the 1840s or 50s as he was there in 1861.
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I was referring to William Booth deaths, as mentioned in message 18
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Ah! Sorry!!
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Amelia was b 1814 it seems.
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Hi Sandra Eve;
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I have assumed that Amelia and Millicent are one of the same. Lets say that Millicent was either missed off the 1841 census or not at home and Amelia is listed as May not Booth
This was my earlier info;
Now to muddy the waters William/Amelia Booth are together in 1841 Census.
So is Amelia in the 1841 really Millicent, Thomas Mays Wife?
Amelia is as Booth 1871/1881 Census with a Son George born c 1855
BOOTH, GEORGE mmn DALLEY
GRO Reference: 1855 D Quarter in NOTTINGHAM Volume 07B Page 191
Trish :)
Added;
Amelias Bapt is on FreeREG 1814 to Daniel/Amelia, Father a Soldier
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Thank you Trish for clarifying. I have found the Thomas May baptism on Family Search Canterbury 28 November 1807. Must be him. Thank you Mabel for pointing out the possible deaths for William Booth. Neither of them tie in with his age which was 23 on the 1841 census so born abt 1818.
The 1844 death he is aged 66 so born abt 1778
The 1851 death he is aged 48 so born abt 1803.