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General => The Stay Safe Board => Topic started by: Fisherman on Friday 08 May 20 12:55 BST (UK)
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Just announced by Mark Drakeford
From Monday people LIVING in Wales will be allowed to exercise outside more than once a day.
Councils will look at plans to re-open libraries and recycling centres.
Some garden centres will be allowed to open.
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Fisherman
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It will encourage more idiots into Wales ! Just read that yesterday, a few miles from us, police stopped some people travelling from to Ireland from Hampshire.
Don`t they realise how it`s (cv 19)spread.
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Whilst this matter is devolved, I just wish that Drakeford, Sturgeon, Johnson and Foster would get together, discuss the matter of relaxing the rules, thrash out any problems, banging their heads together if necessary, come up with a plan upon which they all agree and appear together to make the announcement.
It's no good trying to make political statements and the devolved nations leaders attempting to appear to be standing up to Westminster. People's lives are at stake and that is not a matter for political point scoring. The U.K. needs to be just that - United.
The alterations are, really, neither here nor there. Exercise more than once a day, provided it is local. Who was counting in the first place?. Certainly not the police, because I haven't seen a real Police Officer or PCSO around here since Adam was a lad.
The relaxation of the rules in Wales applies to people resident in Wales only so there is no reason/excuse for people to flood across the border.
I'm not a garden centre person so that doesn't really matter to me, but I recognise it does to others.
I'm waiting to go fishing again, I don't half miss it.
Cymru Am Byth.
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The British government has been a shambles on this from the very start, check the Cheltenham Festival & the latest scandal with Prof Ferguson, they were too busy pointing out the faults of Johnnie Foreigner & where did that get them? Britain was worse! The latest shambles is the English tabloids front pages on lifting the lock-down. This is not a United Kingdom as the Brexit fiasco demonstrated.
Skoosh.
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I think that Johnson's announcement Sunday will be very similar and anyone who has believed the tabloids is going to be disappointed. Looking at the headlines in those papers they made it sound as if he was going to lift the restrictions completely. Very irresponsible.
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I saw somewhere that Carmarthenshire had no new cases yesterday, not sure how true that is! But there will be more if people continue to act irresponsibly
"All" of the UK should be following the same rules regarding people`s health. As Skoosh said shambles from start to finish, what a fiasco ! I wonder how many who were present at Cheltenham fell ill, plus I can`t really understand why travellers returning from Italy back in March weren`t quarantined immediately, 2 weeks in isolation is nothing compared to the lives that have been lost.
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I think that Johnson's announcement Sunday will be very similar and anyone who has believed the tabloids is going to be disappointed. Looking at the headlines in those papers they made it sound as if he was going to lift the restrictions completely. Very irresponsible.
And the government was accused of giving mixed messages! They hadn't said anything at that point, apart from there would be an announcement on Sunday. The "mixed messages" were all coming from the different newspapers.
We certainly should have quarantined people coming into UK from the virus hotspots even as early as late February. Many countries did. Instead they were advised to self-isolate. And we know how many people take any notice of government "advice". You only have to look at figures on numbers of fines for lockdown breaches - and they're only the ones caught.
Even using the words "advice" and "guidelines" makes some people think it's optional.
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#2 - The leaders of the three devolved Governments and the Westminster Government have been consulting on a way out of lockdown. All have been involved in Cobra meetings.
I think the biggest problem is that Scotland is approximately 2 weeks behind the other Nations of the United Kingdom with this virus. Rightly so Nicola Sturgeon is doing what she thinks is in the best interests of Scotland and will not be pressurised by anyone into making decisions that will be detrimental to the Scottish Nation.
Obviously, we need all four Governments which make up the UK to do the same thing at the same time but that means waiting until each one reaches the same level of infections, deaths etc.
Dorrie
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And from the end of this month.....some 22 days away, all people coming into the UK will be requested to self quarantine for 2 weeks.....bit late now Boris old thing .
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I think that Johnson's announcement Sunday will be very similar and anyone who has believed the tabloids is going to be disappointed. Looking at the headlines in those papers they made it sound as if he was going to lift the restrictions completely. Very irresponsible.
And the government was accused of giving mixed messages! They hadn't said anything at that point, apart from there would be an announcement on Sunday. The "mixed messages" were all coming from the different newspapers.
We certainly should have quarantined people coming into UK from the virus hotspots even as early as late February. Many countries did. Instead they were advised to self-isolate. And we know how many people take any notice of government "advice". You only have to look at figures on numbers of fines for lockdown breaches - and they're only the ones caught.
Even using the words "advice" and "guidelines" makes some people think it's optional.
The government banned flights from certain countries early on everyone else was supposed to observe the standard lockdown rules like the rest of us were supposed to be doing.
The experts advice was that was all that was required due to the high rate of infection in the country at the time.
I think on the whole the government have done a good job, yes there have been a few things that could have been done better but that is always the case.
You can't blame the government when China sends aprons instead of gowns, you can't blame the government when Turkey supplies PPE that is not up to the standard ordered.
Errors happen, my wife ordered some walking boots in early April when they finally got here in May the parcel was pushed through the letterbox, walking boots?
No a pair of shorts, yet the shipping note clearly stated it was for walking boots.
Cheers
Guy
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#2 - The leaders of the three devolved Governments and the Westminster Government have been consulting on a way out of lockdown. All have been involved in Cobra meetings.
I think the biggest problem is that Scotland is approximately 2 weeks behind the other Nations of the United Kingdom with this virus. Rightly so Nicola Sturgeon is doing what she thinks is in the best interests of Scotland and will not be pressurised by anyone into making decisions that will be detrimental to the Scottish Nation.
Obviously, we need all four Governments which make up the UK to do the same thing at the same time but that means waiting until each one reaches the same level of infections, deaths etc.
Dorrie
So why can they not thrash out a common policy?. There will always be differences in infection and death rates. I don't expect the leaders of the devolved nations to be pressurised into anything but, surely to God, they can proceed in unison without pandering to, in the case of Sturgeon, the nationalist element and in Drakeford's case, his voters, together with their combined dislike of Johnson. Neither do I expect Johnson to be running the show. I don't really know about Foster.
We need an agreed uniform approach because, as it is, the idiots out there are risking their lives, because of different decisions on this that and the other.
Even experienced political journalists get it wrong. I was looking at one tabloid this AM and I read, according to an experienced political journo, that Wales was opening libraries and recycling centre from Monday as well as garden centres. No we are not. Drakeford said he would be asking for plans to be made for opening these at a point, as yet unidentified. Simples!.
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I think on the whole the government have done a good job, yes there have been a few things that could have been done better but that is always the case.
Guy
So the death of over 30.000 people (probably nearer 50,000 according to some statistics) is doing a good job? I hate to think what it would be if they were doing a bad one then!
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As a Scot I do not like your tone regarding our First Minister Llwyd. Although she is a Nationalist she is putting the whole population of Scotland first irrespective of personal politics. I listen to her update at 12.30 every day on BBC Scotland and I have yet to hear her mention anything about her party's politics. It is the health of our Nation that she is concerned about if we come out of lockdown too quickly.
As for the Welsh gentleman I do not know enough about him to voice an opinion on his handling of the crisis.
Dorrie
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If Nicola Surgeon is a nationalist, what do you think Boris Johnson is apart from a balloon?
Skoosh.
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I think on the whole the government have done a good job, yes there have been a few things that could have been done better but that is always the case.
Guy
So the death of over 30.000 people (probably nearer 50,000 according to some statistics) is doing a good job? I hate to think what it would be if they were doing a bad one then!
That is a very naive remark look at the figures
France 66.99 pop. deaths per million 401.85
UK 66.65 pop. deaths per million 460.2
Italy 60.36 pop. deaths per million 499.5
Spain 46.94 pop. deaths per million 561.46
The UK could have suffered a lot worse, and the above figures do not take everything into account.
Sadley
Guy
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I think on the whole the government have done a good job, yes there have been a few things that could have been done better but that is always the case.
Guy
If we're talking about naive remarks the above might be considered for inclusion in the honours list. Here's the beginning of the British dealings with the coronavirus pandemic, all fact-checked. There is more but I don't want to bore you. Is this what you consider to be 'a good job'?
December 31st China alerts WHO to new virus.
January 23rd Study reveals a third of China’s patients require intensive care.
January 24th Boris Johnson misses first Cobra meeting.
January 29th Boris Johnson misses second Cobra meeting.
January 31st The NHS declares first ever ‘Level 4 critical incident’ Meanwhile, the government declines to join European scheme to source PPE.
February 5th Boris Johnson misses third Cobra meeting.
February 12th Boris Johnson misses fourth Cobra meeting. Exeter University published study warning Coronavirus could infect 45 million people in the UK if left unchallenged.
February 13th Boris Johnson misses conference call with European leaders.
February 14th Boris Johnson goes away on holiday. Aides are told keeps Johnson’s briefing notes short or he will not read them.
February 18th Johnson misses fifth cobra meeting.
February 26th Boris Johnson announces ‘Herd Immunity’ strategy, announcing some people will lose loved ones. Government document is leaked, predicting half a million Brits could die in ‘worse case scenario’
February 29th Boris Johnson retreats to his country manor. NHS warns of ‘PPE shortage nightmare’ Stockpiles have dwindled or expired after years of austerity cuts.
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Depends where you look, according to this site we are still 4th!
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104709/coronavirus-deaths-worldwide-per-million-inhabitants/
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As a Scot I do not like your tone regarding our First Minister Llwyd.
Dorrie
I'm sure you won't like the tone of this either, but no-one has the right not to be offended. I am however, as you are, entitled to express an opinion and if you, or anyone else, disagree with it or doesn't like it, that is not my concern or problem, but carry on. By the way, I am not, in the slightest, offended that you don't like my tone.
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If Nicola Surgeon is a nationalist, what do you think Boris Johnson is apart from a balloon?
Skoosh.
I know a trick question when I see one and, anyway, I think you know the answer!.
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I have no more to say on the matter.
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I think on the whole the government have done a good job, yes there have been a few things that could have been done better but that is always the case.
Guy
If we're talking about naive remarks the above might be considered for inclusion in the honours list. Here's the beginning of the British dealings with the coronavirus pandemic, all fact-checked. There is more but I don't want to bore you. Is this what you consider to be 'a good job'?
December 31st China alerts WHO to new virus.
January 23rd Study reveals a third of China’s patients require intensive care.
On 31 December 2019, the WHO China Country Office was informed of cases of pneumonia of unknown etiology (unknown cause) detected in Wuhan City, Hubei Province of China. As of 3 January 2020, a total of 44 patients with pneumonia of unknown etiology have been reported to WHO by the national authorities in China. Of the 44 cases reported, 11 are severely ill, while the remaining 33 patients are in stable condition. According to media reports, the concerned market in Wuhan was closed on 1 January 2020 for environmental sanitation and disinfection.
The causal agent has not yet been identified or confirmed. On 1 January 2020, WHO requested further information from national authorities to assess the risk.
National authorities report that all patients are isolated and receiving treatment in Wuhan medical institutions. The clinical signs and symptoms are mainly fever, with a few patients having difficulty in breathing, and chest radiographs showing invasive lesions of both lungs.
In other words the “problem” was reported as pneumonia something the whole world knew how to treat so no great cause for concern, even though now with hindsight, people want to make out otherwise.
January 24th Boris Johnson misses first Cobra meeting.
January 29th Boris Johnson misses second Cobra meeting.
January 31st The NHS declares first ever ‘Level 4 critical incident’ Meanwhile, the government declines to join European scheme to source PPE.
February 5th Boris Johnson misses third Cobra meeting.
February 12th Boris Johnson misses fourth Cobra meeting.
Cobra Meetings are not some top level conference you are trying to make out, some of its meetings, which tend to be hardly reported, are attended only by civil servants. Most are routinely chaired by the departmental ministers concerned, you are simple trying to score political points with this. Cobra is one way of highlighting the need for an early cross-government focus on a crisis and the Chair reports directly to the Prime Minister.
Exeter University published study warning Coronavirus could infect 45 million people in the UK if left unchallenged.
February 13th Boris Johnson misses conference call with European leaders.
February 14th Boris Johnson goes away on holiday. Aides are told keeps Johnson’s briefing notes short or he will not read them.
February 18th Johnson misses fifth cobra meeting.
February 26th Boris Johnson announces ‘Herd Immunity’ strategy, announcing some people will lose loved ones. Government document is leaked, predicting half a million Brits could die in ‘worse case scenario’
February 29th Boris Johnson retreats to his country manor. NHS warns of ‘PPE shortage nightmare’ Stockpiles have dwindled or expired after years of austerity cuts.
More Digital Spy claims pasted from their forum taken out of context.
I will just comment on the last mentioned.
“NHS warns of ‘PPE shortage nightmare’ Stockpiles have dwindled or expired after years of austerity cuts.”
The UK had/have stockpiles of emergency use supplies, these supplies are not just sitting in a warehouse but are part of a stock of material that is stored or changed depending on what is thought would be required in an emergency. The general medical thinking was we needed to stockpile in case of pneumonia which is what was done. The NHS would not use gowns when treating cases of cases pneumonia but would use aprons, so gowns were not high priority to stockpile.
As for stock being out of date, it is common practice to re-test stored items to ensure they still comply to standards and are fit to use, this was done with the stored gowns. It is true the UK government sent various stock to help China fight the virus rather than ring fence everything they held for internal supply like Turkey did, but that simply points out the humanitarian efforts of the UK government and not a failing.
The biggest failing of this government and other earlier governments was not to learn from the shortages of WWII where the UK had supply problems due to U-Boats. They should have ensured that the UK was self sufficient but failed to do so.
Cheers
Guy
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The UK is 4th in total cases. Deaths stand at 465 per million.
Belgium is 15th in total cases. Deaths stand at 740 per million, a third HIGHER by % than ours.
No one really hears anything about the situation in Belgium although I did notice yesterday it appeared on the country comparison graph. Which shows the graph is meaningless as it compares number of deaths, not % of the population. The US tops the list for number of deaths but it's 242 per million. A true nation to nation comparison is probably impossible at the moment as numbers are reported differently and the situation constantly changes.
My neighbour's grandson is in Army logistics & his unit have been sent to Belgium to help there.
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I think this proves the saying: There are lies, damn lies and statistics. All numbers can be manipulated to use in an argument.
From an Australian whose country has one federal government, six state governments and two territory governments. All doing their own thing and sending their own messages. Probably the best thing was all returning passengers are isolated in a hotel for fourteen days. This was started after many asked to self isolate didn't.
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From an Australian whose country has one federal government, six state governments and two territory governments. All doing their own thing and sending their own messages. Probably the best thing was all returning passengers are isolated in a hotel for fourteen days. This was started after many asked to self isolate didn't.
Precisely, and if we "ask" or "request" people to isolate for 14 days, it isn't going to happen in the most part
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So here Guy are another set of facts for you to research and act as an apologist for the government. That should keep you amused for a while at any rate:
March 2nd Boris Johnson attends his first Cobra meeting, declining another opportunity to join European PPE scheme. Government’s own scientists say over half a million Brit’s could die if virus left unrestrained. Johnson tells country “We are very, very well prepared.”
March 3rd Scientists urge Government to advise public not to shake hands. Boris Johnson brags about shaking hands of Coronavirus patients.
March 4th Government stops providing daily updates on virus following a 70% spike in UK cases. They will later U-turn on this amid accusations they are withholding vital information.
March 5th Boris Johnson tells public to ‘wash their hands and business as usual’
March 7th Boris Johnson joins 82,000 people at Six Nations match.
March 9th After Ireland cancels St Patrick’s day parades, the government says there’s “No Rationale” for cancelling sporting events.
March 10th - 13th Cheltenham takes place, more than a quarter of a million people attend.
March 11th 3,000 Atletico Madrid fans fly to Liverpool.
March 12th Boris Johnson states banning events such as Cheltenham will have little effect. The Imperial College study finds the government’s plan is projected to kill half a million people.
March 13th The FA suspends the Premier League, citing an absence of Government guidance. Britain is invited to join European scheme for joint purchase of ventilators, and refuses. Boris Johnson lifts restrictions of those arriving from Coronavirus hot spots.
March 14th Government is still allowing mass gatherings, as Stereophonics play to 5,000 people in Cardiff.
March 16th Boris Johnson asks Britons not to go to pubs, but allows them to stay open. During a conference call, Johnson jokes that push to build new ventilators should be called ‘Operation Last Gasp’
March 19th Hospital patients with Coronavirus are returned to care homes in a bid to free up hospital space. What follows is a boom of virus cases in care homes.
March 20th The Government states that PPE shortage crisis is “Completely resolved” Less than two weeks later, the British Medical Association reports an acute shortage in PPE.
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Incoming travellers to the UK will be quarantining for their own safety, if the reckless idiots in this country carry on the way they have been this weekend >:(
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Incoming travellers to the UK will be quarantining for their own safety, if the reckless idiots in this country carry on the way they have been this weekend >:(
However the government had been pushing the VE Day commemorations knowing that people would go out and party. Was that a cynical ploy to get people to mix and find out what the infection rate will be in two weeks' time? A trial run for re-opening England at the beginning of June? The BBC certainly was encouraging people to go out and party and as the booze flowed the chairs got closer together. One wonders what all those who gave their lives in WW2 would make of the situation.
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Well said indeed Greensleeves, brains beats Blimp! ;D
Skoosh.
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I see the latest is that the Government has had to send 50,000 tests to the US as we couldn't deal with them. “ The Department of Health said sending swabs abroad are among the contingencies to deal with "teething problems".” For goodness sake, we’ve been in lockdown for over 6 weeks, the virus has been in the country for longer than that. If we are having to send our samples abroad, that must mean they were better prepared than we were!
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Thanks Skoosh :) :) :)
And another point for Guy who claims I am making 'political points'. Perhaps he needs to check the definition of 'political' but I'll save him the effort:
political (adjective) - relating to the government or public affairs of a country.
So how can any comments or opinions regarding the current administration's performance NOT be 'political'?
Good point Groom - yet another failure which we're supposed to overlook in case we are accused of being... political?
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Austria is now doing "while you wait" testing at Vienna airport arrivals. Voluntary and costs passenger 190 Euros, but if negative avoids them having to go into quarantine for 14 days.
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Austria is now doing "while you wait" testing at Vienna airport arrivals. Voluntary and costs passenger 190 Euros, but if negative avoids them having to go into quarantine for 14 days.
So if they can do that and get instant results, why can’t we?
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Precisely. And if Germany, who did far more testing and isolating at early stages than most other countries, had had to wait a week plus for a result, their death rate would have been in the top places in the Euro league too.
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You still can’t get a test here unless you think you have symptoms, would these tests show if you are a carrier? And what do you do if you discover that you are?
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You still can’t get a test here unless you think you have symptoms, would these tests show if you are a carrier? And what do you do if you discover that you are?
Our local milkman got a test (UK), he didn't have symptoms but had been in contact with someone who had tested positive. Took him over a week to get results back (negative thankfully), during that time he was off work self isolating. If we had the quick turnaround they have in Austria, a lot of anguish and inconvenience for him would have been saved.
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Apparently 50,000 tests are now being sent to US labs for testing because of some problem.
What a mess ::)
Around 50,000 coronavirus test samples have been sent to the US after “operational issues” in the lab network caused delays.
The Department of Health said sending swabs abroad is one of the contingencies to deal with problems in rapidly-expanded testing system. The test results will be validated back in the UK and communicated to patients “as quickly as possible”.
The department said that work was ongoing to resolve the issues, and that testing capacity is quickly being restored.
According to the Sunday Telegraph, the samples were airlifted to the US in chartered flights from London’s Stansted airport.
A spokeswoman for the Department of Health and Social Care said: “The expansion of the UK’s coronavirus testing network has involved setting up an entirely new ‘Lighthouse’ lab network to process test swabs.
“When problems arise, we have contingencies in place which include creating extra temporary capacity for our labs or sending swabs abroad to partner labs for completion. Of course, our partner labs must match our high standards.”
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Incoming travellers to the UK will be quarantining for their own safety, if the reckless idiots in this country carry on the way they have been this weekend >:(
However the government had been pushing the VE Day commemorations knowing that people would go out and party. Was that a cynical ploy to get people to mix and find out what the infection rate will be in two weeks' time? A trial run for re-opening England at the beginning of June? The BBC certainly was encouraging people to go out and party and as the booze flowed the chairs got closer together. One wonders what all those who gave their lives in WW2 would make of the situation.
Yes we should all copy the Welsh example (http://www.rootschat.com/links/01pfn/)
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I'm sure we could all post photos from all over the country showing people breaking guidance yesterday , so "Yes we should all copy the Welsh example" could apply anywhere.
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I'm sure we could all post photos from all over the country showing people breaking guidance yesterday , so "Yes we should all copy the Welsh example" could apply anywhere.
And that underlines the point that the pronouncements of the past few days coupled with the hype attached to the VE Day celebrations deliberately encouraged people to break the lockdown throughout the country. And the BBC aided and abetted the breaking of the law by running jolly heart-warming stories of crowds of people forgetting to socially distance whilst singing "We'll meet again" which could well be in the Covid ward of a crowded hospital.
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Would these tests show if you are a carrier?
Viennaairport - PCR Tests
https://www.viennaairport.com/pcrtest
Vienna Airport now offers passengers the possibility to undergo molecular-biological COVID-19 testing (PCR test) at the airport. The test findings are available within a period of about three hours.
In contrast to antibody tests, PCR tests are designed to verify the existence of a COVID-19 infection. The results are only valid for the present time. For this reason, the possibility of coming down with the virus at a later time cannot be excluded.
And what do you do if you discover that you are?
Viennaairport - PCR Tests
https://www.viennaairport.com/pcrtest
If the test findings are positive, the tested persons are promptly notified by phone by Confidence DNA Analysen GmbH. In addition, the positive test results have to be reported to public authorities in line with existing regulations.
Presumably the Austria authorities already have guidelines in place for those who test positive, and they would probably also apply to anyone who took the test at the airport.
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Germany relaxed some lockdown measures last week and their R number has started to creep up. Just above 1. RKI report for 9 may
https://www.rki.de/DE/Content/InfAZ/N/Neuartiges_Coronavirus/Situationsberichte/2020-05-09-en.pdf?__blob=publicationFile
on page 6.
Germany's first deaths (2 in North Rhine-Westphalia) were recorded on 9 march - just two calendar months ago.
https://www.rki.de/DE/Content/InfAZ/N/Neuartiges_Coronavirus/Situationsberichte/2020-03-09-en.pdf?__blob=publicationFile
Also reports of South Korea seeing a spike after some relaxation.
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Today, Mark Drakeford announced the Senedd "roadmap" for ending "lockdown" in Wales. It is a "traffic light" system, i.e. red, amber and green with different parts of "lockdown" being lifted, if circumstances allow, within those boundaries. It has already started with very minor changes in the red zone. However, there is no time-line for other changes and the "lockdown" may last for years.
Really?. Can we be trusted with some freedom or does Mr Drakeford think otherwise?. We have to be allowed to make decisions for ourselves, e.g. do we go here?, do we go there?, do we do this, that or whatever?. The majority of people are not stupid and are able to accept personal responsibility, if given the opportunity. I appreciate there are idiots around who will take advantage of any relaxation but they are around anyway e.g. those trying to drive into Wales from England to visit their favourite areas, or other spurious reasons.
I know that any time-line will come with caveats in respect of public safety and cannot be set in stone but I would much prefer to be given a month, or other period, in which relaxation could take place and be disappointed that it couldn't, rather than it may or may not happen at some unknown point in the future. It's not much to look forward to.
I could not help feeling when he was making his announcement today that we were being told the Headteacher knows best.
Cymru Am Byth.
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https://www.welshmountainzoo.org/
No zoos in South Wales, as far as this man is concerned Wales stops at Aberystwyth.
Feel free to donate.
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Well, I for one feel really grateful to live in Wales where our government cares about us, rather than trying to force little children back into school on 1st June. I suppose this weekend we're going to be inundated with English tourists who shouldn't be here, wanting to go to their holiday homes and claiming that's a reason for essential travel. But even in England they are not allowed to travel to their second homes (unless of course you're a member of the government, or a government adviser, or the father of the PM, in which case it seems you can go wherever you want)
For those who say that 'not many' children get coronavirus, here's a tragic story which gives the lie to that claim. I can't begin to imagine the grief of that poor little mite's parents.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/baby-dies-coronavirus-related-kawasaki-22039416?fbclid=IwAR2h5-jp-CZu1XDSqQUsP7Hz1RlGzbkEY5K0eLGp6vIuHcApPv03mxMEKDg
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Mark Drayford was the first subject of a series which began this evening on Radio 4. Interviews of politicians with a personal slant. I think interviewer is Nick Robinson. I've heard previous series.
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I think the biggest problem is that Scotland is approximately 2 weeks behind the other Nations of the United Kingdom with this virus. Rightly so Nicola Sturgeon is doing what she thinks is in the best interests of Scotland and will not be pressurised by anyone into making decisions that will be detrimental to the Scottish Nation.
The virus is at a different stage in the north of England too. London is out of step with most of UK.
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