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Title: allerton cemetery liverpool
Post by: ards g on Monday 11 May 20 14:27 BST (UK)
When people are allowed out from lockup could anyone going to allerton cemetery,liverpol look at section 11 grave 477 if there is a headstone or any sort of memorial on it as I have a joseph Radcliffe buried there and I live in N.I.many thanks
Title: Re: allerton cemetery liverpool
Post by: CaroleW on Monday 11 May 20 14:29 BST (UK)
You could try emailing the cemetery as their records should show if there is a headstone
Title: Re: allerton cemetery liverpool
Post by: ards g on Monday 11 May 20 19:33 BST (UK)
would you have a direct email address for allerton cemetery please
Title: Re: allerton cemetery liverpool
Post by: emeltom on Monday 11 May 20 20:02 BST (UK)
Don't know about an e-mail address but the phone number is

0151 233 3004 according to Google, which I think may be for the appropriate Council department.

Find a Grave have it as 0151 427 7177

Emeltom
Title: Re: allerton cemetery liverpool
Post by: ards g on Monday 11 May 20 20:18 BST (UK)
thanks for your help
Title: Re: allerton cemetery liverpool
Post by: Tickettyboo on Monday 11 May 20 21:29 BST (UK)
https://liverpool.gov.uk/contact-us/service-area/cemeteries-and-crematoria/

You can contact the cemeteries dept via their online form on that page to enquire if a headstone was erected.

Please bear in mind that now is not a good time to ask as they will be short staffed and have many other, more pressing, duties. I'd wait a good while till we can get back to some semblance of normality and then send an enquiry.

Is this the same man?
Liverpool Echo 02 Jul 1941 page 4 col 7

RADCLIFFE June 28, in hospital, after a long illness, JOSEPH RADCLIFFE, the beloved husband of Helen Radcliffe of 40 Musgrave Mulgrave Street, Liverpool (late of 39 Cuba St., Belfast) Interment at Allerton Cemetery, tomorrow (Thursday), at 3 p.m. Belfast papers please copy.

Boo
Title: Re: allerton cemetery liverpool
Post by: ards g on Monday 11 May 20 21:45 BST (UK)
Yes same man his wife remarried to an Ernest Stevens and I was wondering whether she is buried there so I could identify when she died
Title: Re: allerton cemetery liverpool
Post by: Tickettyboo on Monday 11 May 20 22:02 BST (UK)
Amended, sorry my hands and eyes aren't too good tonight and the typing has gone to pot.

Eleanor Marjorie Stevens age 74 of 40 Mulgrave St, buried  02 Feb 1968 Section 11 grave 477 Allerton Cemetery
Boo
Title: Re: allerton cemetery liverpool
Post by: garstonite on Tuesday 12 May 20 08:27 BST (UK)
When people are allowed out from lockup could anyone going to allerton cemetery,liverpol look at section 11 grave 477 if there is a headstone or any sort of memorial on it as I have a joseph Radcliffe buried there and I live in N.I.many thanks
NEED a section letter - ie Section C  ROW 11 GRAVE 477
I go regular and live 2 miles away - there has to be a section letter - try and find it out .
and - I have been visiting my mum/dad/brothers grave once a week during lockdown - it is a HUGE HUGE Cemetery and is on both sides of the road - you are lucky to see anyone when there was no lockdown  :)
Title: Re: allerton cemetery liverpool
Post by: garstonite on Tuesday 12 May 20 08:31 BST (UK)
https://www.toxtethparkcemetery.co.uk/Allerton%20Cemetery%20Plane%20&%20Grave%20Maps%20Main%20Page.html

try and enlarge it to see sections
added - this is better - you will see what I mean about lettered sections

https://www.toxtethparkcemetery.co.uk/Allerton%20Cemetery%20Grave%20Maps/Allerton%20Cemetery%20Map.jpg
Title: Re: allerton cemetery liverpool
Post by: garstonite on Tuesday 12 May 20 08:36 BST (UK)
so from your info - I can only see THREE with 11
GEN11 ... CH11 ...R11
let me know which one if you can -  ;)
Title: Re: allerton cemetery liverpool
Post by: garstonite on Tuesday 12 May 20 08:40 BST (UK)
Amended, sorry my hands and eyes aren't too good tonight and the typing has gone to pot.

Eleanor Marjorie Stevens age 74 of 40 Mulgrave St, buried  02 Feb 1968 Section 11 grave 477 Allerton Cemetery
Boo

wherever that info came from they have missed out which section 11 - there are 3
Title: Re: allerton cemetery liverpool
Post by: Tickettyboo on Tuesday 12 May 20 09:52 BST (UK)
Amended, sorry my hands and eyes aren't too good tonight and the typing has gone to pot.

Eleanor Marjorie Stevens age 74 of 40 Mulgrave St, buried  02 Feb 1968 Section 11 grave 477 Allerton Cemetery
Boo

wherever that info came from they have missed out which section 11 - there are 3

The info came from the Allerton Cemetery Burial Registers, 1963-1968, Folio 293, entry No 100333, which are available on Ancestry within the database 'England & Scotland Select Cemetery Registers 1800-2016'.

On the right hand page of the two sided entry the column headed Section says 11 and in the column headed Grave No. says 477 which is what the OP was asking about and what I tried to answer.
If it is a Division you require then on the left hand side there is a column for Division which says General.
My apologies if I should have included that and failed.

Boo
Title: Re: allerton cemetery liverpool
Post by: garstonite on Tuesday 12 May 20 10:05 BST (UK)
Boo - I wasn't having a go at you ??  I was merely pointing out I go there regularly and the info you received wasn't adequate - there has to be a LETTER for the section 11............ GEN 11 or CH 11 or R 11 .....there is no section 11 without a letter - I  meant no offence to you whatsoever ...xxx
Title: Re: allerton cemetery liverpool
Post by: Tickettyboo on Tuesday 12 May 20 10:23 BST (UK)
and no offence taken, I was just trying (for once) to be as precise as I could be as I'd already added confusion to the thread.

Looking at the handwritten registers there  do seem to be 3 'Divisions'. Church of England (abbreviated in the register as CE), Roman Catholic (abbreviated in the register as RC) and General (not abbreviated). I haven't seen a fourth to match the abbreviation of CH that you mention?

Hopefully this lady (as I thought was possible) is the 'Helen', wife of Joseph Radcliffe, in the death notice I found,  and the burial records used her "Sunday name" of Eleanor Marjorie.

Hope you are able to perhaps find out more whenever you are next at the cemetery.

Boo
Title: Re: allerton cemetery liverpool
Post by: ards g on Tuesday 12 May 20 11:26 BST (UK)
Only info I have for Joseph Radcliffe buried no. 50781 sect 11 grave  put based by Ellen radcliffe but by what info you good people are furnishing Eleanor Stevens ( Radcliffe ) is buried with Joe Radcliffe
Title: Re: allerton cemetery liverpool
Post by: garstonite on Tuesday 12 May 20 11:28 BST (UK)
I wonder if CH means CHAPEL - if you look you will see CH Graves are around the chapel area ??

https://www.toxtethparkcemetery.co.uk/Allerton%20Cemetery%20Grave%20Maps/Allerton%20Cemetery%20Map.jpg
Title: Re: allerton cemetery liverpool
Post by: ards g on Tuesday 12 May 20 11:34 BST (UK)
Joseph Radcliffe was buried by a rev.j. Dyson
Title: Re: allerton cemetery liverpool
Post by: Tickettyboo on Tuesday 12 May 20 11:52 BST (UK)
'Er again.

I looked at the burial register entry for Joseph Radcliffe, that too gives the Division as General, Section 11, Grave No 477. So its definitely the same grave.

Interestingly in 1941 when Joseph died, the burial register had extra columns which were not in the included in the edition of 1968 when Eleanor died.

The really helpful one is "If Private Grave , name of grave owner" and for this entry it says Ellen Radcliffe.

As she was the grave owner, it makes sense that she was also buried there.

Boo
Title: Re: allerton cemetery liverpool
Post by: ards g on Tuesday 12 May 20 11:57 BST (UK)
I noticed the word general others around on register say
Rc.and I think c.e
Title: Re: allerton cemetery liverpool
Post by: garstonite on Tuesday 12 May 20 12:01 BST (UK)
can I just say - during WW2 - my mums sister died - their parents couldn't afford the grave - my mums other sister bought the plot - and although my aunty Dorothy / mum / dad and brother Kenneth are in it - the grave owner Elsie is buried somewhere else - but you have given me food for thought - WHY isn't she in that grave ????
do you think there were MANY graves purchased for other family members during the war as money was tight ????   something to think about
Title: Re: allerton cemetery liverpool
Post by: Tickettyboo on Tuesday 12 May 20 12:37 BST (UK)

There will always be a limit to the number of burials within any one plot, which varies according to size etc , perhaps they just wanted to keep the original one for your aunt's siblings and purchased their own plot reserved just for them and any possible children?

I don't know if Graves/Plot Registers exist for Liverpool Cemeteries, though have used them a lot elsewhere and found them very useful though not always straightforward to explore. Very useful to suss out exactly who was buried and when in a particular plot.
Records were kept of every interment  in each plot, depth of burial etc as it was necessary to monitor that carefully to ensure that a previous interment wasn't disturbed when a new interment took place. If they do exist they would be at the archives.

Boo
Title: Re: allerton cemetery liverpool
Post by: garstonite on Tuesday 12 May 20 12:41 BST (UK)
spot on Boo - Dorothy and Kenneth were 6 mnths old and 8 months old - I was told they were laid across the grave - not length ways
Title: Re: allerton cemetery liverpool
Post by: ards g on Saturday 31 July 21 14:51 BST (UK)
I am wondering if some one could help with a look at a grave if they are visiting the allerton cemetery liverpool. it is section No 11 grave no 477 a eleanor marjorie stevens.Is there a headstone on this. also could anyone explain difference .public grave and private grave. many thanks
Title: Re: allerton cemetery liverpool
Post by: rosie99 on Saturday 31 July 21 16:39 BST (UK)
A Public grave is used for more than one person and not all the same family.  It is unlikely that there would be a headstone

ADDED
Have you considered putting your request on Findagrave website
https://www.findagrave.com/photo-request/search/cemetery/2141579?sortBy=newest&page=1#pr-11326898
Title: Re: allerton cemetery liverpool
Post by: CaroleW on Saturday 31 July 21 17:49 BST (UK)
What year did she die?

EDIT - - found it - 1968.  Burial register shows it was a private grave.  Ring the office at the cemetary with the grave details & they will be able to tell you if it has a headstone. 
Title: Re: allerton cemetery liverpool
Post by: jonw65 on Saturday 31 July 21 18:28 BST (UK)
allerton cemetery
section 11 grave 477

Post from last year, lots of replies

topics merged
Title: Re: allerton cemetery liverpool
Post by: CaroleW on Saturday 31 July 21 18:30 BST (UK)
So why are you asking the same question again about the same grave?   Didn't you follow any of the advice given in many of those replies?
Title: Re: allerton cemetery liverpool
Post by: garstonite on Sunday 01 August 21 04:16 BST (UK)
I go regularly - I will have a look at the 3 section 11's I mentioned last year - obviously I will wait for a nice day
 :)
Title: Re: allerton cemetery liverpool
Post by: ards g on Sunday 01 August 21 13:14 BST (UK)
My apologies for asking same questions my memory is not the best since my last stroke so I will close the subject thanks everyone for your help and patience
Title: Re: allerton cemetery liverpool
Post by: sarah on Sunday 01 August 21 18:47 BST (UK)
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I go regularly - I will have a look at the 3 section 11's I mentioned last year - obviously I will wait for a nice day
 :)

I am sorry to hear about your stroke ards g, It is lovely offer of garstonite to offer to go and have a look for you, it will be nice to see if he has any luck for you.

Regards

Sarah
Title: Re: allerton cemetery liverpool
Post by: ards g on Sunday 01 August 21 20:17 BST (UK)
Thank you all