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I have been researching MacDonald/MacIsaac in Moidart. Below are death certs. I have for MacDonald where the deaths were registered in the District of Acharacle. I've listed only first names where the surname is MacDonald. Where the surname is different, I've shown that. Remember also that a number of the MacDonald register entries were originally for MacIsaacs.
If any of them are of interest, let me know.
Kind regards.
Monica
Year / Name / Age at Death / Spouse / Place of Death / Father / Mother
1874 / Alexander / 75 / Margaret / Langall / Allan / Flora
1916 / Alexander / 43 / None / Moss / Archibald / Mary MacEachen
1876 / Allan / 31 / None / Langall / Alexander / Margaret MacMaster
1863 / Angus / 90 / ? / Blain / Archibald / Peggy
1871 / Angus / 85 / Mary Kennedy / Eilanshona / Ewen / Margaret MacIsaac
1876 / Angus / 82 / Margaret / Smirisary / John / Margaret
1902 / Angus / 89 / None / Langall / John / Peggy Paterson
1913 / Angus / 69 / Yes / Dalnabreck / Allan / Annie MacLean
1921 / Angus / 82 / Mary MacLeary / Eilanshona / Angus / Mary Kennedy
1868 / Ann / 75 / None / Mingarry / Alexander / Mary Grant
1884 / Ann / 68 / Alexander MacEachen / Langall / John / Peggy Paterson
1886 / Ann / 85 / None / Blain / Hugh / Sarah Grant
1891 / Ann / 80 / Alexander / Dalilea / Alexander / Sarah Livingston
1929 / Ann / 75 / Duncan Kennedy / Eilanshona / Ewen / Jessie MacPhee
1938 / Ann / 81 / Michael / Dorlin / John / Mary
1939 / Ann / 68 / John/Angus / Dalnabreck / John MacLellan / Catherine
1872 / Archibald / 53 / None / Portavate / Donald / Catherine
1881 / Archibald / 82 / Jane Cameron / Moss / Angus / Margaret
1913 / Archibald / 68 / None / Langall / John / Mary MacInnes
1872 / Catherine / 55 / Dugald / Langall / Roderick / Catherine MacMaster
1875 / Catherine / 60 / Angus / Kinlochmoidart / John / Peggy
1883 / Catherine / 41 / Duncan Cameron / Dorlin / Ranald / Margaret MacRae
1907 / Catherine / 90 / None / Glenuig / Dugald / Kate MacIsaac
1913 / Catherine / 28 / None / Mingarry / John / Mary MacNeil
1939 / Charles / 69 / None / Samalaman / Ronald / Katie
1906 / Christina / 25 / None / Dorlin / Michael / Ann
1909 / Christina / 80 / Duncan MacVicar / Glenuig / Angus / Mary Kennedy
1855 / Donald / 90 / Catherine / Glenuig / Angus / Catherine
1887 / Donald / 72 / None / Dalilea / John / Mary MacNeil
1924 / Donald / 73 / Ann MacEachen / Dorlin / John / Mary
1930 / Donald / 79 / Sarah / Langall / John / Mary MacPherson
1868 / Flora / 80 / None / Langall / Angus / Not Known
1891 / Flora / 76 / John MacVarish / Glenuig / Allan / Mary Dingwall
1912 / Flora / 88 / None / Langall / Ronald / Ann MacVarish
1931 / Flora / 45 / None / Moss / Ronald / Annie
1935 / Flora / 91 / John Gillies / ? / James / Isabella
1874 / Isabella / 107 / Duncan MacVarish / Dalnabreck / Alexander / Mary MacEachern
1926 / Jane / 83 / Simon / Smirisary / Donald / Ann
1887 / Janet / 81 / Ewen Cameron / Glenmoidart / John / Ann Rankin
1899 / Janet / 84 / None / Dalnabreck / Ronald / Ann MacVarish
1916 / Jessie / 85 / Hugh / Glenuig / John MacPhee / Catherine Cameron
1867 / John / 80 / None / Dorlin / Donald / Not Known
1884 / John / 98 / None / Kinlochmoidart / Donald / Christy MacColl
1890 / John / 93 / Mary Leiten? / Acharacle / Angus / Peggy
1891 / John / 72 / Mary / Dalnabreck / Ronald / Ann MacVarish
1891 / John / 91 / Mary MacPherson / Langall / Ewen / Peggy MacVarish
1892 / John / 84 / Flora / Mingarry / Ronald / Penni?lipe
1893 / John / 44 / Catherine MacDougall / Mingarry / Alexander / Flora Corbet
1895 / John / 82 / Ann / Dalnabreck / Alexander / Janet MacVarish
1899 / John / 39 / Annie MacLellan / Dalnabreck / John / Mary
1902 / John / 85 / None / Dalnabreck / John / Peggy Paterson
1907 / John / 69 / Sarah / Langall / Allan / Ann MacLean
1911 / John / 69 / Catherine Mac? / Acharacle / John / Jessie Cameron
1921 / John / 78 / None / Smirisary / Alexander / Flora Corbet
1935 / John / 95 / Catherine MacPherson / Glenuig / Donald / Anne Mac?
1935 / John / 96 / None / Samalaman / Ronald / Joan Corbett
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....More MacDonald death certs......
Year / Name/ Age at Death/ Spouse/Place/Father/Mother
1872 / Marcelly / 90 / John MacPherson / Smirisary / John / Mary
1872 / Margaret / 95 / None / Dalnabreck / John / Catherine MacPherson
1883 / Margaret / 67 / None / Dorlin / John / Margaret
1919 / Margaret / 49 / None / Glenuig / Hugh / Janet MacPhee
1932 / Margaret / 69 / None / Eilanshona / Hugh / Margaret MacKinnon
1858 / Marjory / 62 / None / Glenuig / John / Catherine
1872 / Mary / 90 / Lachlan / Kinlochmoidart / Lachlan / Peggy MacVarish
1883 / Mary / 52 / None / Glenuig / John / Mary
1891 / Mary / 78 / Donald / Glenuig / Ewen MacVarish / Isabella
1892 / Mary / 60 / None / Smirisary / Dugald / Peggy MacIsaac
1897 / Mary / 80 / None / Langall / Donald / Ann MacVarish
1899 / Mary / 83 / John / Langall / John MacPherson / Ann MacPherson
1901 / Mary / 84 / Alexander Kennedy / Eilanshona / Donald / Ann
1901 / Mary / 75 / None / Langall / Allan / Mary MacPhee
1906 / Mary / 85 / Angus / Smirisary / John MacPhee / Catherine Cameron
1909 / Mary / 78 / Hugh MacDougall / Kinlochmoidart / Angus / Mary Kennedy
1916 / Mary / 86 / John / Dalilea / Archibald / Christina
1924 / Mary / 90 / None / Moss / Archibald / Jane
1926 / Mary / 76 / John Gillies / Smirisary / Alexander / Flora Corbet
1931 / Mary / 82 / Allan / Dorlin / John / Peggy
1876 / Norman / 27 / None / Glenuig / Ranald / Catherine
1872 / Ranald / 93 / Ann MacVarish / Dalnabreck / John / Catherine MacPherson
1894 / Ronald / 70 / None / Dalnabreck / Ronald / Ann MacVarish
1898 / Ronald / 56 / None / Moss / John / Ann
1932 / Ronald / 87 / Ann / Moss / John / Flora
1910 / Sarah / 59 / John / Langall / Angus / Christy Gillies
1934 / Sarah / 80 / Donald / Langall / John Grant / Margaret
1884 / Simon / 42 / Jane / Glenuig / Angus / Margaret
1907 / Simon / 60 / None / Langall / Angus / Christy Gillies
Let me know if any are of interest.
Regards.
Monica
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Dear Monical, i am trying to trace my Macdonald side of the family all i know is that my Grandmother Catherine Macdonald was born in Dalnabreac, Acharacle, her Mother was Ann Macdonald and she possibly Married twice as My Great Grandmothers children were Angus, Ena, John, Clementina, Margaret Ann, Catherine. I really cannot find out much information, but i feel that after looking at your Death certificates for Macdonalds of Moidart one in particular looks a possibility and wondered if you could help with any information it's 1939 / Ann / 68 / John/Angus / Dalnabreck / John Maclellan / Catherine. I would be very grateful for any information you could provide. Kind Regards Alan.
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Hi there Alan :) Welcome to RootsChat...
You are taking me back to my favourite early stages of starting my research in 2005. Even me have to admit, I try not to think how much I spent on Scotlands People in my early days (this is only a part of what I looked through) 8) Sheer inexperience, often wrong in my choices to view, but loving it ;)
My main MacDonald/MacIsaac line were in this area around the foot of Loch Shiel for a long time, particularly around Dalnabreac and Langal.
I can send you the image that I have for her death. Margaret Ann Kennedy, daughter, reported her death. I just need you to post back here at least one more time. Then your private message service is activated. This way we can exchange personal emails, and I can forward to you the image of the 1939 death cert for Ann MacDonald, wife of first John MacDonald and then Angus MacDonald (I know, research is hard with MacDonalds....lost 6 months of my life with these lovely people ;D).
Maybe you can add further details that you have on Catherine and mother Ann and I can help further along the way...
Monica
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Hello Monica, Thank you for your reply :), I have had difficulty finding any information related to my Grandmothers side of the Family and it has caused some confusion as my Great Grandmother Anne Macdonald I believe Married twice. My family are from Shielbridge Acharacle and my Grandparents were Ronald and Catherine MacMaster, I researched my Grandfathers side of the Family which was so fascinating and interesting and a wonderful journey. My Grandmother Catherine Macdonald was born in Dalnabreac :) and had a number of bothers and sisters, I believe that Angus ,Ena and John may have been from her first Marriage and Clementine, Catherine and Margaret Ann from her second Marriage. Some of the Macdonald family may have also lived in Dorlin, Gaskan and Langal. When I so your post 1939/ ANN / 68 / John/Angus / Dalnabreck / Jonn Maclellan / Catherine, I new I was on the right track as my mother told me that there was MacLellan's in the Family and that My Great Grandfather was named John, but nobody new the name of My Great Grandmothers second husband, I would be most grateful for any information regarding my Great Grandmother and Grandfather Ann and John/Angus Macdonald Thank you so much for your help Monica, Kind Regards from Alan
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Ok, can see where you are to date (you and me are in that same area along the lower end of Loch Shiel). If you can send me your personal email via PM, I can send you the image for Ann's death. We can take it from there.
Link to PMs and me here (works like most email services, in and out boxes etc):
www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=17200 - just click on the 'send PM' link on the l/h side.
Monica
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Have you get census info for the family? Any dates of events etc. Will help me at least (and others) get a handle on the family.
Your grandmother Catherine, she married when? Have you managed to find her birth cert?
Monica
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Sorry Monica, i have no census information and trying to get further information has been difficult, my Grand Mother Catherine Macdonald married My Grandfather Ronald Macmaster at Mingarry Church in 1939 and Had Six Children Alistair, Iain, Ewen, Ronald, Elisabeth and Margaret Macmaster. Kind Regards Alan.
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The marriage shows on www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk in 1939 in Acharacle as you mention for Catherine and Ronald McMaster. Outside of the period you can view online on SP (75yr access rule). I am guessing that Catherine may have been the daughter of Ann from her second marriage to Angus given the years we are seeing?
Monica
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Hi Monica, Yes Catherine, Clementina and Margaret Ann were from her second husband Angus Macdonald and Angus, Ena and John from her first Marriage to John Macdonald.
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Hi Monica, I'm trying to find out some information about my Grandfather's MacDonald, Moidart, line and saw that you have a death cert. listed for Jessie 85 in 1916, Glenuig. I'm trying to trace the Hugh/Euan MacDonald connections but am finding it tricky to get more information. If you have any information, tips or thoughts I'd appreciate it. Thanks.
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Welcome to RootsChat :)
Will need to dig out the details if you can bare with me.
Monica
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Me again :) Have got the cert now. Where have you to to on your searches so far? What is it you are trying to find in particular.
Had a little look around and see birth registrations post the start of official registrations in Scotland in 1855. Looks like Hugh and Jessie were married before this date. The birth cert for son Dugald in 1855 should include date and place of their marriage along with useful info. The first year of official registration, certs ran over two pages of the register. They had two sons called Dugald, the second born in 1857 and both alive and well in 1861...they look to like the name!
Janet/Jessie showed as widow to Hugh by 1916. Her son Dugald reported her death. Do you have this cert? If not, happy to send it to you. She may already have been a widow much earlier. From 1901:
Janet Mcdonald 73 Retired Crofter b. Ardnamurchan
Angus Mcdonald 35 son post master b. Moidart
Maggie Mcdonald 31daughter post master b. Moidart
Christina Kennedy 17 grandchild b. Moidart
Address: Glenuig Postoffice, Acharacle
I also look to have daughter Margaret's death reg:
1919 / Margaret / 49 / None / Glenuig / Hugh / Janet MacPhee
The Post Office in Glenuig in now a Catergory B Listed Building, https://britishlistedbuildings.co.uk/200330524-glenuig-post-office-fort-william-and-ardnamurchan-ward#.W_MlUTGYTIU
Monica
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A reference here to the MacDonald family and the Glenuig Post office:
Newspaper cutting
Glenuig Postman
28/9/00 1895 2000
Glenuig postman
Angus MacDonald postman from 1895 to 1934. Travelled Lochailort to Glenuig on pony, 'Johnny'. Photo taken at Glenshian bridge. MacDonald family ran Glenuig post office till death of Jean Kennedy, postmistress, about 1987.
Scots Magazine , ca 1989
www.moidart.org.uk/archives/landscapearchive.htm
Monica
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Hi Monica
I noticed the lists you had posted and my family are on there, I've been researching through Scotland people records, my Macdonald's are from Dorlin, gg parents, Michael and Ann, My granny was Isabella, with siblings Mary Ann, Donald, Angus, Charles, Archie & John, and then I see some half siblings also. I am stuck here! My granny married O'Gorman, and there isn't any trace of this name in this area that I can find. I was recently in Dorlin and ran into a gentleman who used the do the butcher van, and had many a tale to tell about my aunty Mary Ann, his name was Dougie Cameron, the croft cottage they lived in is named after my aunty (but now part of the Shiel estate. If you have any information, I would be grateful.
Thanks, Alison
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Hi Alison
Welcome to RootsChat :)
Is this your family in 1901:
Michael Mcdonald 45 labourer
Ann Mcdonald 44
John Mcdonald 17
Maryann Mcdonald 15
Bella Mcdonald 13
Donald Mcdonald 11
Charles Mcdonald 9
Ronald Mcdonald 7
Angus Mcdonald 5
Archibald Mcdonald 3
Address: Labourer's House, Acharacle
One more child from 1891 in Dorlin who doesn't show above looks to be Cristy aged 9 in 1891.
Why do you think that there were step siblings there to Isabella?
Monica
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Did Isabella and Edward O'Gorman actually marry? Can't easily see it so far.
Their son's Angus Edward O'Gorman's birth looks to be registered in both Kincardine (Perth) and Newington in 1921. Double entries like this occur where the birth of a child took place away from parents/mother's normal residence. Clerks were supposed to pass a note of the birth to the corresponding clerk in order that birth was also noted there.
If not married, Edward must have attendend the registration of Angus Edward's birth for the surname to be noted as O'Gorman.
Have you viewed a copy of the birth for Angus? Have you viewed his death cert? He died young in 1953 in Newington?
Monica
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Can I ask you how much work have you done up the line of Michael MacDonald and Ann MacDonald?
A few online trees (I think one is yours) give Ann MacDonald's parents as John MacIsaac or MacDonald and Mary MacDonald. The death cert I have listed for Ann does shows John and Mary as parents. Have you done further work on John, Ann's father?
It was the mention of MacIsaac that caught my eye!
1891 / John / 72 / Mary / Dalnabreck / Ronald / Ann MacVarish
1872 / Ranald / 93 / Ann MacVarish / Dalnabreck / John / Catherine MacPherson
If the correct John, he would be a brother to my 4g Angus MacIsaac or MacDonald, son of Ranald and Ann. The family all seemed to move to MacDonald by the mid 1800s. Earlier docs refer to them as MacIsaac or by both surnames.
Monica
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Re Edward O'Gorman ???
O'Gorman is certainly not a Scottish name. Irish for sure in origin.
The only death I can see in Scotland for an Edward O'Gorman is in 1920, which doesn't make sense if Angus Edward was born in 1921 and for him to show as O'Gorman. This is where detail from the birth, marriage and death for Angus Edward will be useful to you with any additional details to work from. For example, his birth should include date and place of parents' marriage, if married. An occupation for Edward will also help with searches for him hopefully. Did Edward show as alived or deceased when Angus married/died?
Monica
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Nothing showing for an Edward O'Gorman on the 1901 or 1911 censuses in Scotland.
There is one entry in the 1905 Valuation Rolls. Nothing on any other VRs:
Edward O'GORMAN
Tenant Occupier
HOUSE NO 219 WEST PRINCES STREET
GLASGOW
1905
VR010200571-
A further entry for this Edward I think in 1910 at the same address showing him as a Customs and Excise Officer.
A man of mystery at present....
Monica
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The only death I can see in Scotland for an Edward O'Gorman is in 1920, which doesn't make sense if Angus Edward was born in 1921 and for him to show as O'Gorman. This is where detail from the birth, marriage and death for Angus Edward will be useful to you with any additional details to work from. For example, his birth should include date and place of parents' marriage, if married. An occupation for Edward will also help with searches for him hopefully. Did Edward show as alived or deceased when Angus married/died?
Monica
Monica,
It's possible Edward may have died prior to the birth of Angus Edward (have an example myself sadly).
Agree, original birth cert. worth purchasing.
Annie
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Hi Monica
Thank you, and wow!, I've just started this, and mostly it's been done on ancestry, and so I am not 100% sure passed Michael and Ann, I got them from Scotland people, rather than ancestry. My dad's cousin has access to my tree and sometimes things arrive in there, as was the case for the step siblings of my granny. My dad's cousin told me a couple of weeks ago that Bella and Edward moved around the UK and perhaps married in Camberwell, London, I don't know where he found the information, certainly my dad never knew if they ever married or not. but this is possibly why I am having so much trouble with finding O'Gorman as there are so many of them listed in the south.
So it appears I have the wrong parents for Michael and Ann?
Edward was a butler and Bella was a chef/cook.
The marriage certificate for my Angus and my Gran O'G, shows Edward as deceased I believe this was in 1941, my dad was born in 43, so it would make sense. Thanks so much for your help :)
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Hi Alison
If you I would start with ordering Angus Edward's birth cert from 1921, as Annie also mentions. This will help you confirm marital status of parents and also addresses and occupations for parents, Edward and Bella.
There was a marriage in 1920, for similar names except bride was a Beatrice. Maybe a mistake was made on bride's name?:
Edward O'Gorman and Beatrice MacDonald, 1st Qrt. 1920, Hampstead, refs Vol 1a/ pg 1403
If this was the marriage, then details of this would normally show on Angus Edward's birth cert.
You mentioned that Edward showed as deceased when Angus married. What happened with Isabella? Have you managed to trace her to her death?
Monica :)
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www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk is the only main source for original Scottish BMD documents and census images.
Have you looked at Michael and wife Ann's marriage cert to confirm their parents' names?
Monica
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Hi Monica
Really, thanks so much for taking the time. I have ordered the birth certificate for Angus, my Grandad, who I had never even seen a photo of until about 3 months ago. My dad doesn't really ever talk about his family, but adored his dad, Angus and lost him aged 10, and had to become the head of the household very young, as my Gran O'G didn't cope to well as a result of his loss. my dad has scant memories only that he spent summers in Dorlin with Archie and Mary Ann, I think my Granny Bella was alive for my mum and dads wedding in 1965, but died just after. I'm not sure I have the correct Michael and Ann, the only Michael's birth cert I can find is born in Tyree, not a million miles away from Dorlin, but I'm not sure it's him. I guess I expected them all to be registered in Acharacle or Dorlin, because my aunty Mary Ann said the family had had the croft for about 400 years? which may be fanciful! but that's what my dad thought. It's possibly through Ann, but there are a lot of Ann Mac's listed. The full list of names you posted earlier are the correct family, Angus and John died in the first world war, I saw the plaque with their names on when we visited the Mingarry church in May. I think Charles also died then or as a result of it. I will have a look again about the certificates for the Michael and Ann I think it is tomorrow, and thanks again for all your responses. O'Gorman is most definitely Irish! but like south England it's like trying to find a needle in a haystack, so, hopefully Angus' birth cert might have some useful information
Alison
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The family was Roman Catholic I would guess, if it links to mine. If so, you will struggle finding records pre 1855 and the start of Scottish official registration. Scotland's People have now added online what RC records remain for this period. I found very little there on my lines.
I too visited Our Lady of the Angels in Mingarry https://rcdai.org.uk/mingarry-our-lady-of-the-angels/ some years ago. At the time there was a priest still living in the priest's house there. Not sure if that is still the case.
When I was there the priest kindly showed me the office which held of all the registers were kept amongst other things. Understandable how many registers have been lost or destroyed over the years really..
Monica
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This is a possible birth entry for Ann MacDonald, wife of Michael MacDonald www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XY5M-7MB
Alison, if I can give you any advice, it is to take your time now. Start with the birth cert of Angus in 1921, and start working back on records from that.
I saw a photo of Angus on one of the family trees. What a kind gentle face he had.
Re Isabella, I cannot see a death for her with the second surname of O'Gorman. Will make finding her death that much harder with just one surname....
Monica
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You can also view online on www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk the marriage register entry for Michael and Ann:
Michael MCDONALD and Ann MCDONALD
1879
Ref 505/1 2
Acharacle
This will include both sets of parents' names and addresses and witness names can also help.
Monica
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Hi Monica, this is way too addictive! I have downloaded the marriage cert for Ann and Michael. Ann is listed from Dalnabreac and Micheal Sheppard (or similar) Cliff, there are 2 witness' but no parents! Michael Mac D (also Dalnabreac) and Donald Mac D very hard to understand where he is listed as being from, it looks like Sangle, but it goes off the page, I think the Priest must have been having a bad day as his writing is pretty illegible! ;D anyway, just wanted to let you know I have looked at the marriage certificate, and yes all this side of the family were staunch Roman Catholics.
Thanks very much for all the info you have given me :)
Alison
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Alison, there is a Sango but that's Durness.
Skoosh.
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Alison, I have sent you a personal message with my own email to try and help with that marriage cert.
Monica :)
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Alison, the marriage entry you looked at in 1879 was it from the statutory registers or the RC registers? Marriage shows in both.
Monica
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Hi Monica ;D me again! I have got Ann' s birth certificate, and you were correct, Mary and John are her parents (dalnabreac) After John (on ancestry) I have Ranald MacD & Ann McVarish (I have no foundation for these folks at all!) just ancestry defaults
Michael seems to have a sister called Mary, listed as a ploughman, but I am struggling to find him past his dad(who I think is also Michael) I can't find his mother anywhere. Most of the certificates I got are from the church records, the only statutory one I could find is for my g uncle Archie, probably me looking in entirely in the wrong place of Scotland people. The records seem to be very sparse beyond Michael and Ann and I was wondering how far you had managed to go with Ann's line
All the best
Alison
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Alison, did I get back to you on these last questions ??? Just re-reading this post because of the other thread and don't think I saw this.
I have a death certificate for Ranald MacDonald. He lived to a good age as did a couple of his siblings. Enough to get into post 1855 and statutory registrations! Ann McVarish has been a problem. She died between 1851-54 so I have no detail on her parents. McVarish (like MacIsaac) morphed over time to MacDonald. Likely she had some siblings and extended family nearby but I haven't been able to identify them so far with any confidence.
Monica