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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Essex => Topic started by: Teshhi on Wednesday 13 May 20 18:33 BST (UK)
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Good afternoon,
I have previously visited RootsChat to search for information on my great grandfather John Anderson* and am now searching for another family member. I am now looking for my grandfather either known as Liu H Kven or Hing K Liu. Liu married my grandmother Doreen Anderson in East Ham in 1964, in the same year my mother was born.
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Doreen Anderson
Apr 1964
Apr-May-Jun
East Ham
Essex
Liu H Kven
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Doreen Anderson
Apr 1964
Apr-May-Jun
East Ham
Essex
Hing K Liu
Any advice welcome!
Kind regards
Terri
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* I have been unsuccessfully in obtaining information on John's birth and death as well as his service records, if you think you might be able to help me please take a look at my previous post:
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=766404.0
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Is there reason to think he is deceased? We can’t post identifying information about living people on here, under Rootchat’s rules.
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Is there reason to think he is deceased? We can’t post identifying information about living people on here, under Rootchat’s rules.
Hi AVM,
Doreen passed away when my mother was still young and by this point Liu had already left the family home. My mum entered the care system rather than being placed with her father Liu which would fit in with this. Doreen did tell my mum Liu had passed away but we've never been able to confirm or disprove this. Liu would have been around 21 in 1964 so he'd be in his late seventies were he to be alive today. I'm not really sure how to proceed with this one. Unfortunately, there are very few surviving records from my mother's time in the care system and having never met my grandmother or grandfather it's incredibly difficult to find any information.
Kind regards
Terri
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Ah I see. Have you obtained the 1964 marriage certificate to give you something to go on?
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There were several subsequent children born to the marriage - is that right? Not to be named here given the recent dates.
Death of Doreen Liu (b 1944) in Stoke Newington, 1977 - is that the one?
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There were several subsequent children born to the marriage- is that right? Not to be named here given the recent dates.
Death of Doreen Liu (b 1944) in Stoke Newington, 1977 - is that the one?
That's correct. Although the number of children is unclear. I have already obtained a copy of their marriage certificate. I have also reviewed Doreen's coroner report given to me by my mother and can confirm we're referring to the same person.
The report states "As far as it can be ascertained she was a divorced woman whose ex husband has since died".
Many thanks
Terri
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What does the marriage certificate say about the bridegroom’s occupation and paternal details? Does it give his age, or does it just say “full age”?
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Good morning,
The bridegroom's occupation is Restaurant Waiter, his father's name is given and this appears exactly the same as his name. His father's occupation also states waiter. His age is given as a number, there is no full date of birth.
Thanks,
Terri
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So his age was said to be 21, was it? You’ve said “around 21” upthread.
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That's correct :) In 1964 he was said to be 21 years old.
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Apologies for the late reply I missed the notification on this one. His age is 21 on that record.
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Hello,
I am looking for information on my deceased grandfather and have posted a thread on here before;-
His name is Hing K Liu (may also be known as Hing Kven Liu or Hing Kuen Liu) and supposedly went by the nickname Ricky.
Unfortunately, we do not have the death certificate for Hing but his death was referenced on Doreen's coroners report and police report in 1977, where he was suggested to have died prior to 1977. "As far as it can be ascertained she was a divorced woman whose ex husband has since died".
Hing married Doreen Anderson in 1964 when he would have been 21. Hing's estimated birth year is therefore around 1943.
He has been linked to the residence of 299 Barking Road, Eastham and he was said to be a restaurant waiter at the time. His father was also a Hing Kuen Liu and a waiter.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Kind regards,
Terri
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I really can't see that there is anything to be done;
Is the divorce record available? What was his address at that point in time (and WHEN was it even?)
(You have given a "he was linked to address" in east ham, yet didn't say when that was!)
Pauline
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Was Hing's mother a Dorothy May Liu nee Smith?
There is a Dorothy M Smith living in East Ham in the 1939 Register. The name Li? is also included by her surname.
I think this is her birth going by one of the other family members.
SMITH, DOROTHY MAY WHITE
GRO Reference: 1918 M Quarter in WEST HAM Volume 04A Page 414
I cannot seem to find any marriage for Dorothy to a Liu. Did she marry Liu in the UK or elsewhere? Her death is equally hard to find.
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I really can't see that there is anything to be done;
Is the divorce record available? What was his address at that point in time (and WHEN was it even?)
(You have given a "he was linked to address" in east ham, yet didn't say when that was!)
Pauline
Hello,
We do not have a divorce record. We're not even sure if the marriage ended by divorce or purely Hing's death. Nor have we been able to locate Hing's death certificate.
Hing was linked to the address of 299 Barking Road in 1964. It was on his marriage certificate for his marriage to Doreen.
Thanks,
Terri
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Was Hing's mother a Dorothy May Liu nee Smith?
There is a Dorothy M Smith living in East Ham in the 1939 Register. The name Li? is also included by her surname.
I think this is her birth going by one of the other family members.
SMITH, DOROTHY MAY WHITE
GRO Reference: 1918 M Quarter in WEST HAM Volume 04A Page 414
I cannot seem to find any marriage for Dorothy to a Liu. Did she marry Liu in the UK or elsewhere? Her death is equally hard to find.
Hello,
Unfortunately we do not know the name of Hing's mother. Only that his father's name was also a variant of H K Liu. This was found on his marriage certificate to Doreen.
Thanks,
Terri
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What age was given for Hing on the marriage certificate when Hing married Doreen? Who were the witnesses?
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What age was given for Hing on the marriage certificate when Hing married Doreen? Who were the witnesses?
Hi,
Hing was 21 on said marriage certificate. The witnesses were S N H Anderson (who I believe to be Sarah Nimmo Hood Anderson - Doreen's mother) and J P Biggs who is unknown to us. Although it was suggested that when Doreen moved from Glasgow to London she came with her friend Joan.
Kind regards,
Terri
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What I find strange is that I cannot find any birth record for Hing at all. There appears to be only one Liu/Smith birth and that is in 1951.
This is assuming that Dorothy Smith was Hing's mother. As I said previously I cannot find any marriage for a liu to a Smith.
Do you know anything about Hing's mother?
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What I find strange is that I cannot find any birth record for Hing at all. There appears to be only one Liu/Smith birth and that is in 1951.
This is assuming that Dorothy Smith was Hing's mother. As I said previously I cannot find any marriage for a liu to a Smith.
Do you know anything about Hing's mother?
Hi,
This has been our difficulty too and sadly we know nothing about Hing's mother or of any surviving relatives.
It's possible that Hing was not born in the UK, in which case, I'm not really sure where we ought to go next.
Kind regards
Terri
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A lot of groping around in the dark with this one. Any possibility that Hing abandoned Doreen and 'married' someone else? There is this marriage:-
Marriages Sep 1975
LIU HING K TAM WESTMINSTER 15 1853
TAM SUK Y LIU WESTMINSTER 15 1853
It may not be your Hing but I thought I would flag it up.
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A lot of groping around in the dark with this one. Any possibility that Hing abandoned Doreen and 'married' someone else? There is this marriage:-
Marriages Sep 1975
LIU HING K TAM WESTMINSTER 15 1853
TAM SUK Y LIU WESTMINSTER 15 1853
It may not be your Hing but I thought I would flag it up.
It is possible. Doreen died in 1977, which is when H K Liu was described as her deceased ex-husband, so it could simply be that Hing was "dead to" Doreen. The only way I assume this could be confirmed would be to purchase a copy of the marriage certificate between Hing K Liu and Suk Y Tam, then check who Hing's father is listed as?
Kind regards
Terri
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Yes, if you wish to confirm who the father of Hing is, then getting the marriage certificate is the only way. Up to you to decide if you wish to spend £11 on it.
You will have to take pot luck on whether Hing's father is also Hing K.