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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: nerak1010 on Saturday 16 May 20 04:07 BST (UK)
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I am wondering whether there might be any further information available regarding Peter Traynor?
Is there a death entry for him in the Tasmanian Federation Index? I'm particularly keen to learn who his parents were. Any help or suggestions would be much appreciated. So far I have found the following information -
Australian Death Index
Name: Peter Traynor
Death Date: 1919
Death Place: Tasmania
Registration Place: Launceston, Tasmania
Registration Number: 0175
Burial Record
First Names PETER
Middle Name
Last Name TRAYNOR
Age 84
Death Date
Service Date Jun 3 1919
Site Name Carr Villa Memorial Park
Area Monumental
Location Section A3
Number 488
Site
Newspaper Funeral Notice
Examiner (Launceston, Tas. : 1900 - 1954) Tue 3 Jun 1919 Page 1 Family Notices
"The friends of the late Mr. Peter Tray
nor are respectfully invited to follow his
remains to the place of internment, Carr
Villa Cemetery. The funeral is appointed
to leave the General Hospital this after
noon at 2.30.-DOOLAN Undertaker,
Wellington-Balfour Streets. Telephone 290."
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From electoral rolls
Peter TRAYNOR
1914 111 Bathurst st gardener; & 63 Elizabeth st gardener
1915 111 Bathurst st gardener
1917 85 Elizabeth st no occupation
1919 174 York st no occupation
There is nothing I can see for him on the Tas. Names Index, but there may be some hospital records for him that I will look in to.
M
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The cd's of the Tasmanian indexes are not widely held by individuals and are not shared online to my knowledge.
There were at one time a couple of rootschat members who had them, but these members are not so active in recent times.
https://librariestas.ent.sirsidynix.net.au/client/en_AU/all/search/results?qu=ask&qu=a&qu=librarian
Ask a librarian at Libraries Tasmania may be a solution for you if a record is not offered on this thread.
Sue
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Hi, the Federation Index only shows limited information eg: Peter Traynor died at the General Hospital, Launceston with ref: 869/1919.
After 1900 you have to apply for any certificates to the Justice Department and I can tell you they cost heaps!. Last year I paid around $50.00 for a marriage record (that I really, really needed to find the Groom's parents), the costs seem to go up yearly.
The Record of Death - usually show the Surname: Christian or other Names; Date of Death, Place of Death, Occupation, stated year of birth; Sex; Usual place of residence, reputed birthplace - plus Conjugal condition at death; If ever married (Name and surname of Spouse); Issue of all marriages (only how many children - not named).
If never married - name of parents; If born overseas - period of residency in Australia.
Cause of Death.
Prior to 1900 the Pioneer Index (1803-1899) shows more information, this is available online and free from the State Library.
Cheers
Webby
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There is nothing I can see for him on the Tas. Names Index, but there may be some hospital records for him that I will look in to.
I've submitted a question to the archives asking them to check the hospital admission register. I suspect that Peter Traynor had no family in Tasmania, but they may have recorded his country of birth.
M
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The Carr Villa records have that Peter was buried in the RC section. And there is no headstone.
You might be able to find something in the Undertakers book for his burial (Launceston area if someone has them or perhaps check with the Launceston Family History Society). I don't have them for Launceston only Hobart area unfortunately.
Cheers
Webby
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https://www.launceston.tas.gov.au/Carr-Villa-Memorial-Park
Contact the cemetery and ask if there are other burials in the same plot......section 83 number 488.
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I really appreciate the efforts of everyone who has tried to help. I am hoping to avoid having to purchase the death certificate as I'm not sure whether this person is the one I am looking for.
Webby - do you have access to the Tasmanian Federation Index? Was the information you provided in your earlier post all that it shows?
Regards
Karen
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Just the name, date of death, place of death and the registration numbers.
That's it....the registration numbers are what you need (if) you apply for the death certificate.
There are only 4 Traynors listed on the index and they are all from Launceston.
Regards
Webby
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Ancestry has some records from New South Wales, Australia, Unassisted Immigrant Passenger Lists, 1826-1922 for:
Peter Trainer, origin British or Manchester, born 1839-40 as crew on shipping between Launceston and Sydney in 1868 and in the 1880s
Also from Trove
'Peter Traynor, one of the crew, and an old shipman from 1868 to 1870...'
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article9015469
1886 'The Bella Beaton, in charge of Peter Traynor, arrived fron the Straits Islands...'
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article39519221
M
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Ancestry has some records from New South Wales, Australia, Unassisted Immigrant Passenger Lists, 1826-1922 for:
Peter Trainer, origin British or Manchester, born 1839-40 as crew on shipping between Launceston and Sydney in 1868 and in the 1880s
Also from Trove
'Peter Traynor, one of the crew, and an old shipman from 1868 to 1870...'
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article9015469
1886 'The Bella Beaton, in charge of Peter Traynor, arrived fron the Straits Islands...'
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article39519221
M
Thanks Matthew. Yes, I'm trying to figure out whether the sailor Peter mentioned in the crew lists is the same Peter who died in Tasmania in 1919. Also, whether he might be the brother of a Tasmanian convict Margaret (later known as Mary) Treanor (1827-1886) who married Thomas Trainer on 11 March 1847 recorded under the names Mary Treianor and Thomas Treainor. I suspect there may have been 2 Peter Traynors (sp???) in Manchester. It looks like her brother Peter was in Tasmania in 1889 as someone with the initials P.T. claiming Mary to be a sister placed an "In Memoriam" notice in a Tassie newspaper -
The Tasmanian (Launceston, Tas. : 1881 - 1895) Sat 6 Apr 1889 Page 15 Family Notices -
" In Memoriam
In loving remembrance of my dear sister,
Mary Trainer, who died on April 3, 1886 :—
Rest, dear sister, thy_trouble is o'er ;
Thy loving lips shall speak no more.
How I miss you every day,
None but my aching heart can say.
Soon, too soon, comes death to show
We love more deeply than we know;
And love in life should strive to see
Sometimes what love in death would be.
Three sad years have passed, my sister dear
'No more thy face I'll see,
But with a brother's fondest love
My memory clings to thee. P.T."
Regards
Karen
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How curious!
I see there's a Police Gazette entry for Peter Trainer
Tried in Hobart 16 Oct 1875 for 'Breach M.Seamen's Act' Native place Manchester, 39y, 5'6", Brown hair, Free to colony, Bracelet on left wrist. Sentenced to 6 weeks prison
'Desertion
Peter Trainer was charged with deserting from the Harriet McGregor on the 22nd August, and was remanded till the 14th, pending the vessel's arrival in port.'
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article200370045
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From electoral rolls
Peter TRAYNOR
1914 111 Bathurst st gardener; & 63 Elizabeth st gardener
1915 111 Bathurst st gardener
1917 85 Elizabeth st no occupation
1919 174 York st no occupation
There is nothing I can see for him on the Tas. Names Index, but there may be some hospital records for him that I will look in to.
M
I posted a question to the Tas Library & Archives and they found the following in the admission register for the Launceston General Hospital (TAHO AB596)
Summarised:
Peter Traynor aged 80y, old age pensioner, 44 Cimitiere st
Nationality - Eng.(unclear)
Admitted - May(?) 1919; Died June 1
I'll have another look at the register and any other associated items in person once the archives reopen.
M
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Hi, Whilst this does not fully answer the post the below MAY be of interest.
1841 UK census ref HO107 576 11 16 details a Peter TRAINER aged 4 born Manchester. Parents recorded as Thomas & Susan and siblings.
6th April 1862 marriage at Manchester Cathedral details a Peter Trainer aged 23 occ "Mariner" father Thomas Trainer. Spouse Sarah Cocker.--image on Anc*
First child I can find is a SUSAN Trainer baptised 18th May 1869-Parents Peter Trainer "sailor" and Sarah.
Cannot as yet find on 1871 uk census
The following children are Alice Morley TRAYNOR jq 1872 mmn Corker Manchester-appears 1881 uk census
Jane born Scarborough c 1874-- appears 1881 uk census
Annie born Scarborough c 1876--appears on 1881 census
Arthur Mackwood TRANNER dq 1878 Scarborough mmn "Corker"--appears on 1881 census.
On this census transcribed as "TRAINER" Sarah the mother is recorded as Unmarried?
Arthur Mackwood TRAYNOR marries Florence Kelly dq 1906-image on Anc* Does say father is John Traynor -deceased!!
Being a Mariner/Sailor find Peter on uk census is really difficult.
John
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From electoral rolls
Peter TRAYNOR
1914 111 Bathurst st gardener; & 63 Elizabeth st gardener
1915 111 Bathurst st gardener
1917 85 Elizabeth st no occupation
1919 174 York st no occupation
There is nothing I can see for him on the Tas. Names Index, but there may be some hospital records for him that I will look in to.
M
I posted a question to the Tas Library & Archives and they found the following in the admission register for the Launceston General Hospital (TAHO AB596)
Summarised:
Peter Traynor aged 80y, old age pensioner, 44 Cimitiere st
Nationality - Eng.(unclear)
Admitted - May(?) 1919; Died June 1
I'll have another look at the register and any other associated items in person once the archives reopen.
M
Thanks Matthew! I really appreciate your help.
Cheers
Karen