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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Kirkcudbrightshire => Topic started by: Hendo on Saturday 16 May 20 07:14 BST (UK)
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Hi fellow researchers
According to an OPR Births from 1752, the birth place is listed as Upper Auchenvey in the parish of Parton. I have perused many maps trying to locate upper Auchenvey but can only locateAuchenvey Plantation, a farm called Auchenvey, Auchenvey Hill & Auchenvey Burn. However, despite spending hours scouring numerous maps with various publication dates, I have been so far unsuccessful. This is the link to one map that I viewed (https://maps.nls.uk/view/74427638#zoom=6&lat=6911&lon=2941&layers=BT). Am I missing the obvious? Please help.
Best regards
Hendo
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Scotlands Places lists Upper Auchenvey but doesn't give a description of what it was and groups it with Auchenvey
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01pgw/
Could it have disappeared by the time the map was published 100 years after the baptism?? I note there is the ruins of Nether Auchenvey to the north east
Kay
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So if there was a Nether at some time, it's been large enough to split, the present Auchinvey will have been Upper Auchinvey. Saved lawyers from being confused! & Rootschatters? ;D
Skoosh.
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It looks to me as if Upper Auchenveney might have been consumed by the forestry - a plantation to the W of Auchenvey itself is shown on the OS map.
My ancestors came from that area and some of their earlier farms do not show.
Gadget
Add - Try looking at the 25 ins to mile maps
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Could Upper Auchenvey have just lost the 'Upper' when Nether Auchenvey became a ruin?
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It might well have. I've driven along that road a few times - beware of partridges n the autumn !
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There's this ref:
https://scotlandsplaces.gov.uk/digital-volumes/ordnance-survey-name-books/kirkcudbrightshire-os-name-books-1848-1851/kirkcudbrightshire-volume-61/46
It refers to being on Ainsley's map.
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... a bit more
It's listed between Auchenvey and Auchenvey Burn , so it would be to the South of Auchenvey, I think
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Description - can't make it out as my eyes are playing up
?' a Rocky heathery pasture .....'
Add - Other Google refs refer to the 'Wilson's farm'
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Rocky heathy pasture I think Gadget?
Skoosh.
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Other refs suggest that it was there in 1851, so it must be on one of the maps.
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There's a wee track that meanders from Auchenvey to the Auchenvey burn, It runs between White Hill and Auchenvey Hill. I'm wondering if it's around there. The map is 1895 so maybe too recent.
It's on the 25 ins map
https://maps.nls.uk/view/82889286#zoom=3&lat=6467&lon=8269&layers=BT
Added tongue in cheek - I wonder if the Wilsons were related to my Wilsons who frequented Glenlaggan and Dullarg ;D
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Reading the full description I think Auchenvey is the farm house and Upper A is the farm land attached:
'Auchenvey and Upper A - A farm house and offices all of which is in bad repair with a farm of land attached . Most of which is Rocky heathy pasture in the occupation of Wm Wilson and property of Major Fletcher of Casock(?Cassock) '
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Looks as if the description, albeit opposite Upper Auchenvey, is part of the description for Auchenvey.
Proprietor is Fletcher of Corsock.
I take no credit for deciphering it - on the Scotland's Places web site, if you scroll down below the page images there is a transcription of the information on the page.
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Thanks so much for you very prompt replies & suggestions Kay 99, Skoosh, Gadget & Forfarian. I will follow all your advice & the links provided. Pleased to see that some names are familiar from the last time I logged, on a few years ago. Thanks again for the advice.
Best regards
Hendo
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Looks as if the description, albeit opposite Upper Auchenvey, is part of the description for Auchenvey.
Proprietor is Fletcher of Corsock.
I take no credit for deciphering it - on the Scotland's Places web site, if you scroll down below the page images there is a transcription of the information on the page.
I gave the transcription just before your reply, Forfarian. I think you might have missed it. I'm so glad we agree ;D
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Hendo- I remember you from ages ago. We had discussions about Parton records then ;D
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Just found a mention of Auchinvey on an early Land Tax Roll
The lands of Auchinvey is worth to him yearly Fifty five pounds (my translation/transcription ;D )
https://scotlandsplaces.gov.uk/digital-volumes/historical-tax-rolls/land-tax-rolls-1645-1831/land-tax-rolls-kirkcudbrightshire-volume-01/14
Also James Robison in the Farm Horse Tax Rolls:
https://scotlandsplaces.gov.uk/digital-volumes/historical-tax-rolls/farm-horse-tax-rolls-1797-1798/farm-horse-tax-1797-1798-volume-03/224
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https://maps.nls.uk/view/74400122
At the top of the Parish they are both there.
Don
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There might be something in here:
http://mckeefamilyfromdonegal.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/History-Galloway_MKerlie_Vol_5.pdf
Go to page 49 (and onwards) for Parton
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https://maps.nls.uk/view/74400122
At the top of the Parish they are both there.
Don
Missed your post
To save anyone else scrolling ;D
https://maps.nls.uk/view/74400122#zoom=5&lat=1226&lon=7067&layers=BT
Well found.
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Well done!
Skoosh.
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Hi to all & a hearty thankyou, especially to Gadget for your great demonstration of research skills & lateral thinking. Yes, we did discuss Parton & the Cunningham & Henderson connections. Great memory. Also, a big thankyou to Don for the link to the 1832 map & ultimately solving the mystery. So it was in Parton all along.
Best regards
Hendo