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Title: Samuel Eve
Post by: croisienne on Sunday 17 May 20 17:10 BST (UK)
Hi everyone
I am looking for information about Samuel Eve born in Bath 1727 died 1763. He was oboist for the music band in the pump room. I can't find his marriage or trace his father.
Thanks for your help. :)
Title: Re: Samuel Eve
Post by: trish1120 on Monday 18 May 20 14:23 BST (UK)
Bapt Bath, Father JOHN Eve
DENIS 1724 (Female)*
SAMUEL 31 Dec 1727
ELIZABETH 03 Jun 1729
ABRAHAM WRIGHT 03 Dec 1733

Possible Burial for JOHN Eve 30 Sep 1769 no age given.

Outside chance for the Marriage?
2 May 1721, St Peter, Ugley, Essex
John EVE to Martha WRIGHT


I see all the Bapt for children of Samuel/Mary Eve but cant see a Marriage either.

DENNISS Eve a Spinster was buried 09 Oct 1788 Bathwick age 64
Title: Re: Samuel Eve
Post by: Pennines on Monday 18 May 20 14:50 BST (UK)
The actual filmed record of Samuel Eve's baptism on 31 Dec 1727 at St Michael's in Bath is on Ancestry.

Interestingly this states Samuel to be the son of John Eve, a Stranger.

So you may need to look further afield for the marriage of his parents - Trish has already found one possibility.
Title: Re: Samuel Eve
Post by: Pennines on Monday 18 May 20 15:04 BST (UK)
You probably have these - but a Samuel Eve and Mary, his wife appear to have had at least the following children - most have 'given names with a 'foreign' influence;

1751 Gusatavas Adolpus   St Peter and St Paul, Bath
1752 Angelo Ferdinand      as above
1758 Eliza Serena             St Michaels, Bath         
1760 Betty                        as above
1762 Charlotte Sophia       as above
1763 Sophia Lucia             as above

All these baptisms were in Bath. I haven't checked for burials of any of them, hence I don't know if they all survived. There is a gap between 1752 and 1758 - so there may be more children.
Title: Re: Samuel Eve
Post by: croisienne on Monday 18 May 20 15:37 BST (UK)
Thank you for your help.
I have seen Samuel and Mary as his wife. Do you think   Martha could be Mary?
I am going to check.
I have also found a Samuel Eve married to Grace Wright and Father of John Eve.
Kind regards
Title: Re: Samuel Eve
Post by: garstonite on Monday 18 May 20 18:11 BST (UK)
don't understand this - but Geneanet has all those children born Bath Abbey , Bath - is that an area ?  or were they born in the ABBEY - ?
Title: Re: Samuel Eve
Post by: Pennines on Monday 18 May 20 18:26 BST (UK)
The later ones seem to be at St Michaels, Bath.

At the marriage of the child Gustavas Adolphus -- that takes place at Bath Abbey -- but he is described as of St Michael's Parish. This doesn't answer your question, Garstonite -- but I must confess to assuming it was the Abbey - and we should never assume should we!
Title: Re: Samuel Eve
Post by: garstonite on Monday 18 May 20 18:32 BST (UK)
that's why I asked - new one on me - a birth at an ABBEY ...lol
Title: Re: Samuel Eve
Post by: Pennines on Monday 18 May 20 18:58 BST (UK)
I have now added the baptism locations to my post. On Find My Past -- they are transcriptions - and state SS St Peter and St Paul.

 This does seem to be The Abbey -- but why would it be strange to have baptisms there - or is that one of my 'stupid' questions?
Title: Re: Samuel Eve
Post by: garstonite on Monday 18 May 20 19:06 BST (UK)
an Abbey is a Roman Catholic Monastery where Nuns or Priests lived - King Henry VIII had them all denounced - it may be my ignorance - but I was not aware that Baptisms were carried out at Abbeys any more - obviously I am wrong   :)
Title: Re: Samuel Eve
Post by: Pennines on Monday 18 May 20 19:25 BST (UK)
No you are not wrong - I have just looked up the definition -- but that goes on to say that some Abbeys are now used as churches.

I suppose Westminster Abbey is another example - although I never knew Westminster Abbey was a home for Monks.
Title: Re: Samuel Eve
Post by: trish1120 on Tuesday 19 May 20 12:08 BST (UK)
Quote;

I have seen Samuel and Mary as his wife. Do you think Martha could be Mary?

I may have confused you.

I had Martha Wright as the possible Wife of JOHN Eve ie Samuels Parents.

Samuel Wife was definitely a Mary from childrens Baptisms.


EDIT I picked the John Eve/Martha Wright marriage as a possible as they name a Son Abraham Wright Eve
Title: Re: Samuel Eve
Post by: Pennines on Tuesday 19 May 20 13:39 BST (UK)
As John Eve was shown as a 'stranger' at Samuel's baptism in Bath -- I did a 'blanket' search for John Eve marriages in the few years leading up to Samuel's birth.

Essex seemed to have at least 3 (it was yesterday and I've slept since then!) -- there were 2 Marys I think and a Martha. It's a difficult one - as 'stranger' may just mean from somewhere else in Somerset - or from further afield.

Several deaths are recorded in Essex for men named John Eve -- in the decades after the baptism of Samuel. Only one John Eve seems to be buried in Somerset (Bath) over the following decades. (1769).

I am just wondering if any Church Wardens records or something like that, exist for that period in the local archives. Just to see if this surname is mentioned during the time covering Samue's baptism. Otherwise we are just guessing.
Title: Re: Samuel Eve
Post by: croisienne on Tuesday 19 May 20 22:52 BST (UK)
Hi
I have found a marriage of Samuel Eva and Mary Gill in Cornwall in 1750. But why was he in Cornwall?
Title: Re: Samuel Eve
Post by: jonw65 on Tuesday 19 May 20 23:14 BST (UK)
Prerogative Court of Canterbury wills
 
John Eve, Gentleman of Bath, Somerset
Proved 19 January 1758
Wife Mary
https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D3364950

Mary Eve, Widow of Bath , Somerset
Proved 18 July 1766
Sons Samuel, John, Abraham Wright, daughters Dennis, Elizabeth
https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D3373895

Free on TNA website or available on ancestry.

Also
Will of Abraham Wright Eve, Vintner of Bath, Somerset
6 April 1770
https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D438967
Title: Re: Samuel Eve
Post by: jonw65 on Tuesday 19 May 20 23:24 BST (UK)
Property/land in Essex comes up in those wills (from the briefest of looks)
North Weald Bassett and Magdalen Laver in John's will, Shenfield in Abraham's.

Plus that son John about?
Title: Re: Samuel Eve
Post by: jonw65 on Tuesday 19 May 20 23:43 BST (UK)
I picked the John Eve/Martha Wright marriage as a possible as they name a Son Abraham Wright Eve

That marriage in Ugley was by licence
Certainly says Martha Wright
John a farmer of Elsenham?
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9Q97-YS2X-HRX?i=719&cat=321759

Will of a John Eve of Elsenham, 9 January 1723/24. Don't know if it's same man.
https://www.essexarchivesonline.co.uk/result_details.aspx?ThisRecordsOffSet=99&id=945348
Title: Re: Samuel Eve
Post by: jonw65 on Wednesday 20 May 20 00:05 BST (UK)
Eve Surname Pages...may have some answers?
Abraham Wright Eve/John Eve, Essex/Bath etc
http://www.evetree.co.uk/ock1.html
Title: Re: Samuel Eve
Post by: jonw65 on Wednesday 20 May 20 00:09 BST (UK)
Crikey, Trish, from 2016!
This one has been around a while.

Looking back at croisiens earlier posts he was interested in Samuel Eve born in Bath in 1727.

Looking at SAMUELS 31 Dec 1727 Baptism his Father was JOHN Eve, noted as a stranger (FreeREG)
Other Children with Father John were;
DENIS Eve 1724, Father John a stranger
ELIZABETH Eve, 3 June 1729
ABRAHAM WRIGHT Eve, 3 Dec 1733
Trish :)

Eve Surname Pages...may have some answers?
http://www.evetree.co.uk/ock1.html

Let's hope so! Abraham is a Wright? Too late to investigate further now.
Title: Re: Samuel Eve
Post by: Pennines on Wednesday 20 May 20 10:30 BST (UK)
JonW -- may I just say -- what amazing finds you have made (again!). I don't know how you do it -- you are clearly a 'useful finds' whizz!
Title: Re: Samuel Eve
Post by: trish1120 on Wednesday 20 May 20 13:42 BST (UK)
Gosh I can hardly remember yesterday let alone 4 years ago ;D
Title: Re: Samuel Eve
Post by: LizzieL on Wednesday 20 May 20 15:04 BST (UK)
Eve Surname Pages...may have some answers?
Abraham Wright Eve/John Eve, Essex/Bath etc
http://www.evetree.co.uk/ock1.html

The surname Wright seems to come from an earlier generation, so we're looking for a John Eve who married Mary something, around 1722 /3, in Essex or Bath or somewhere in between. The will of John's brother seems to mention all the property that John later mentions in his will. A pity, otherwise there might have been a piece of property that came in a marriage settlement and could be traced. Dennis seems an unusual name particularly for a female - was that Mary's maiden name?
Title: Re: Samuel Eve
Post by: jonw65 on Wednesday 20 May 20 15:14 BST (UK)
OK, so the Essex will is this one
Will of Abraham Wright of Shenfield, Essex
Date 30 July 1745
https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D608226

Thanks again, Pennines, for the kind words, occasionally I manage to stumble across something useful.
I find it hard work these days to even understand some of the queries!

Hopefully croisienne will now be getting somewhere with all this after their long search.
John
Title: Re: Samuel Eve
Post by: croisienne on Wednesday 20 May 20 15:55 BST (UK)
Thank you everyone for your help.   :)
Title: Re: Samuel Eve
Post by: Pennines on Wednesday 20 May 20 16:04 BST (UK)
Croisienne -- you mentioned before that you had found a Samuel EVA marrying a Mary in Cornwall and asked why he would go to Cornwall.

You don't know that this is your Samuel -- unless the actual filmed record states him to be from a Bath parish -- I have only seen a transcription - and of course that doesn't say.

However the surname 'EVA' seems to be quite common in Cornwall -- so you will need evidence to know that he is yours. Maybe check for a later burial in Cornwall for someone with that name to 'eliminate' that marriage from enquiries.
Title: Re: Samuel Eve
Post by: croisienne on Wednesday 20 May 20 16:30 BST (UK)
Croisienne -- you mentioned before that you had found a Samuel EVA marrying a Mary in Cornwall and asked why he would go to Cornwall.

You don't know that this is your Samuel -- unless the actual filmed record states him to be from a Bath parish -- I have only seen a transcription - and of course that doesn't say.

However the surname 'EVA' seems to be quite common in Cornwall -- so you will need evidence to know that he is yours. Maybe check for a later burial in Cornwall for someone with that name to 'eliminate' that marriage from enquiries.
I have checked : no death for Samuel Eva in Cornwall for that period.
Title: Re: Samuel Eve
Post by: croisienne on Wednesday 20 May 20 16:32 BST (UK)
Croisienne -- you mentioned before that you had found a Samuel EVA marrying a Mary in Cornwall and asked why he would go to Cornwall.

You don't know that this is your Samuel -- unless the actual filmed record states him to be from a Bath parish -- I have only seen a transcription - and of course that doesn't say.

However the surname 'EVA' seems to be quite common in Cornwall -- so you will need evidence to know that he is yours. Maybe check for a later burial in Cornwall for someone with that name to 'eliminate' that marriage from enquiries.
I have checked : no death for Samuel Eva in Cornwall for that period.
But lots of children: he's not my Samuel
Title: Re: Samuel Eve
Post by: LizzieL on Wednesday 20 May 20 16:41 BST (UK)
Samuel Eve of Bath had a daughter Maria Henrietta baptised there on 23 May 1749, so marriage likely to be 1748 - early 1749