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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Berwickshire => Topic started by: BillyF on Monday 25 May 20 18:47 BST (UK)
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James Johnston, son of Andrew Johnston, a weaver and Sarah Mitchell was born 14th October 1798.
No marriage at Greenlaw for the parents, but I`ve found a marriage of an Andrew Johnston and Sara Mitchell at Canongate 8th March 1793.
Is this likely ?
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Yes, why not?
The original marriage record from www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk might shed some more light on why they married in Edinburgh.
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I`ll do that tomorrow. I`ve been days on this ! I`ve got lists, spreadsheets,etc -losing the plot a bit !
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Cannon Gate is in Berwick
Berwick is not far from Duns
Elizabeth
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Cannon Gate is in Berwick
Quite possibly, but the marriage record is from the register of marriages in the parish of Canongate, which is in Edinburgh.
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Sorry about that I didn’t know of the Edinburgh one Elizabeth
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It's actually quite interesting.
Berwick is a fortified town, and I speculate that the origin of the name Cannon Gate has to do with cannons, as in large guns.
The Edinburgh Canongate, however, refers to canons, as in clergymen.
Also 'gate' in this case isn't from gate as in entrance to something, but an alternative spelling of 'gait', which is the same usage as 'gata' in Scandinavia, where it means a street.
Sorry, that's a bit off topic.
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Thanks for all of that!
I`m doing a narrative version of all my families and for this particular one I decided just to check a bit further. For ages I had stopped at this baptism, no marriage in Greenlaw for Andrew and Sarah, but doesn`t mean there wasn`t one ! There is baptism for an Andrew Johnston at Fogo in 1758,a possibility.
I`ve got a list of Johnstons/Johnstouns in Greenlaw going back to 1723 for baptisms, obviously a family there years before James 1798.
(I need to bring my debit card to my pc to buy more credits for SP, my pc is upstairs and I don`t remember until I sit down !)
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More credits !!
From SP:
8th March 1793
Andrew Johnston, weaver, Canongate and Sara Mitchell, daughter of Robert Mitchell, labourer in Pleasance gave up their names to be proclaimed for marriage.
The only things I know for sure is "my" Andrew Johnston was a weaver, and an Andrew Johnston and Sarah Mitchell were parents of James Johnston.
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I Live in Greenlaw. Fogo is not far, few miles so a possibility Andrew Johnston was born in Fogo.
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Thank you, I had seen "that" Andrew and was going to think about it !! You`ve just reminded me.
I came through Greenlaw last year when we visited the Borders, I should have taken Fogo in as well.
Andrew Johnston son James left Greenlaw and settled in Galashiels, I say settled, but the family had several addresses. Andrew`s grandson also James moved about a lot but returned to Greenlaw and is on the 1871 census living at Mill Wynd, Greenlaw.
Andrew, James, and James are my gt grandfathers.
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James Johnston, son of Andrew Johnston, a weaver and Sarah Mitchell was born 14th October 1798.
No marriage at Greenlaw for the parents, but I`ve found a marriage of an Andrew Johnston and Sara Mitchell at Canongate 8th March 1793.
Is this likely ?
"Yes" many a Johnston went to Edinburgh to marry then return home, this is due to the Johnstons roots in Edinburgh itself . . .
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It`s hard to make a decision sometimes, all "common" forenames !!!
Plus, I`ve got several who just seem to have disappeared !
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It`s hard to make a decision sometimes, all "common" forenames !!!
Plus, I`ve got several who just seem to have disappeared !
I DON'T KNOW WHAT HELPS AND WHAT DOESN'T . . .
ANDREW JOHNSTON + SARAH MITCHELL
Marriage: 8th March 1793, Canongate, Midlothian, Scotland
BIRTHS:
Parents: Andrew Johnston + Sarah Mitchell
Child: Elspith Johnston b: 08/06/1793, St Cuthbert's
Parents: Andrew Johnston + Sarah Mitchell
Child: Janet Johnston b: 23/01/1796, St Cuthbert's
Not sure if the 2 younger children are related, but, it would seem strange to marry in 1793 and not have a child until 1798, it's worth a follow up just in case, and whether also there may have been a second marriage . . .
Andrew Johnstone + Sarah Mitchell
Child: James Johnstone b: 14/10/1798, Greenlaw
1841 CENSUS
Name: James Johnston
Age: 45
Estimated Birth: abt 1796
Where born: Berwickshire, Scotland
Civil parish: Greenlaw
County: Berwickshire
Address: Westerraw Part of Town Of Greenlaw
Occupation: Weaver
James Johnston 45
Agnes Johnston 45 B: Berwickshire, Scotland
1851 CENSUS
Name: James Johnston
Age: 51
Estimated Birth: abt 1800
Relationship: Brother
Where born: Greenlaw, Berwickshire
Civil Parish: Melrose
Town: Galashiels
County: Roxburghshire
Address: Island St
Occupation: Hand Loom Weaver, (Woolen)
Alison Johnston 49 Head: B: Greenlaw, Berwickshire, (Woolen Yarn Windler)
James Johnston 51 B: Greenlaw, Berwickshire
Christian Johnston 9 B: Galashiels, Roxburghshire (Niece)
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Thanks for this, but I have it!!
James Johnston b 1798 is my 3x gt grandfather, the one in the 1841 census. He`s the son of Andrew and Sarah.
James Johnston b 1796, a weaver on the 1841 census is the son of Robert Johnston and Isabel Black.
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Ive just looked up my book "An Old Berwickshire Town" and your ancestor James Johnstone is mentioned in it. " the last of the handloom weaving industry in Greenlaw was represented by James Johnston and Robert Hume. The former died in 1855, the latter in 1860"
1855 is the best year for Certificates. lots of information on it.
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Thanks for the information.
I think this James Johnston may be the cousin of "my" James Johnston; he died in 1866 at Galashiels.