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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Galway => Topic started by: RSGrosse on Tuesday 26 May 20 11:33 BST (UK)
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Hello. I recently found information about my 3rd great grandmother who came to the US from Liverpool in 1834. According to the ship's record she arrived at Ellis Island alone. Now I am searching for her parents. It appears that she born in County Galway. One map on Ancestry shows that she was born close to Banagher; however, I don't see any indication that Banagher is in Galway.
Here is the information I have about my 3rd great grandmother. Any help is greatly appreciate. I realize that her surname is not unique, so this could be a challenge.
Rosanna MacCormick
1818–1880
BIRTH 1818 • Ireland
DEATH AFT. 1880 • Louisville, Jefferson, Kentucky, USA
3rd great-grandmother
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https://www.townlands.ie/galway/dunmore/addergoole/doonbally/banagher/
There is a townland in Co. Galway called Banagher. It is located northwest of Tuam.
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Thanks. Now I'll see if I can find anything via that town.
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https://milltown.galwaycommunityheritage.org/content/townlands/townlands-townlands/civil-parishes/parish-of-liskeevy/banagher
Some info about Banagher Co. Galway on this link.
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Thanks. Now I'll search the appropriate censuses.
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I suggest you look for a baptism on https://www.rootsireland.ie/ - you'll have to register & pay a subs [you can get one for a day] to see details. Does her marriage certificate state her father's name/occupation?
You could also browse the parish registers on https://registers.nli.ie/ They are not indexed, so you need to browse the register for the year(s) of interest. You know the likely parish.
There are no full Ireland census till 1901 & 1911 http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/ although fragments survive for some areas in previous years.
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I've never seen her marriage certificate; however, I do know that she was a spinster when she came to the US from Liverpool in 1834.
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If you can locate the marriage record/certificate it'll be a very important document to further your research.
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I've never seen her marriage certificate; however, I do know that she was a spinster when she came to the US from Liverpool in 1834.
Do you know if she travelled alone?
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According to the ship's record she arrived at Ellis Island alone.
I haven't looked for the ship's record myself - she may have been a servsnt with a family or come with relatives of a different surname. But 1834 is very early to have very informative ship's records.
Where did you find the ship's records, RSGrosse? And is MacCormick her birth or married name?
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According to the passenger list, she traveled alone from Liverpool to the US.
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Where did she settle?
Which is the earliest census you have for her?
Who did she marry?
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I have her in the 1870 Census in Louisville, Kentucky. This is her husband. John owned a grocery store on West Broadway in Louisville and Rosanna was a midwife. These are my mother's immigrant ancestors:
John Tate
1816–1870
BIRTH 26 MAR 1816 • Selby, Yorkshire, England
DEATH AFT. 1870 • Louisville, Jefferson, Kentucky, USA
3rd great-grandfather
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Josey, the passenger list was found by a relative via Ancestry (I don't have a paid account). MacCormick is her maiden name, she married John Tate (1816-aft. 1870) in the US.
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Great, thank you for the info. Something more to work on, I have a world ancestry subs but not one for rootsireland.ie. It would be good to find that marriage record - when was John & Rosanna's first child born?
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Here is their oldest child. He married a woman named Emma:
William Tate Sr.
1839–1881
BIRTH 1839 • New York, USA
DEATH AFT. 1881 • Cincinnati, Hamilton, Ohio, USA
2nd great-grandfather
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According to the passenger list, she traveled alone from Liverpool to the US.
A teenage girl might have been in different accommodation onboard to her parents or other relative. Young children with parents in family accommodation; adolescent girls & women in female berths; adolescent boys & lone men at opposite end to single women. A sister and brother who were teenage or older might have been in separate parts of the ship and not together on passenger list. I don't know if emigrant ships in 1830s organised passengers that way.
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She was the only person named MacCormick on that passenger list. I thought about the possibility that she might have been seperated from her parents.
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Looks like the marriage would have been between 1834 & 1839, and in New York as that is where Rosanna arrived and where William 1839 was born. It is however, unlikely, that a marriage record of that date will name the fathers of the two parties although it is still worth trying to track the record down. What religion was William baptised in?
ADDED: Just looking at the history of Ellis Island, which states that it was used as an immigration station from 1892 - yet your relative states Rosanna came through there in 1834.....
I found one immigration on the Romnius Romulus for a Rosey Maccormick spinster aged 18 in 1834.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVPX-P1NR
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In 1850, William Tate shows as born in Illinois
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M65H-CZF
There is also quite a gap between him born 1839 and Josephine born 1849.
There may have been children born who died or a second marriage for John Tate.
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Yet the 1860 [family transcribed as Fate, old-fashioned capital T used] & 1870 have William born NY, obviously this is only what enumerator was told. Would be useful to find his baptism, that should tell if John [a butcher] married Rosanna as second wife.
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John came to the US with one of his brothers, who was also a butcher. I have a copy of William's first US passport (handwritten); however, I will work to find his BC. John ended up owning a grocery store in Louisville, KY since his name and store are shown in the Louisville City Directory in 1870.
These are my birth mother's ancestors. She died before I found my birth family and no one else in the Tate family cares about their ancestry. It would have been great to find out something about my ancestors from them; however, I've done everything alone.
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You're never alone with rootschat ;).
A baptism for William is the only available record rather than a birth certificate as state registration was not introduced in some states till the 1900s.
From https://www.familysearch.org/wiki/en/United_States_Birth_Records
Introduction to Birth Records
Birth records might seem like the first place to start your search, but experts recommend looking into death records first and marriage records second, followed by birth records (because they are usually the most difficult to find).
It is very common to find birth information in other sources. For example, New England town records may contain some of the earliest birth records, but mandatory birth record were not kept by all of the states until well into the 1900s. Some early records of births and christenings or baptism dates were kept in local church records. But, it is not unusual for birth records to be entirely missing.
State and county jurisdictions began keeping birth and death records at different times as required in each state, so you must check with the local state laws to determine when the earliest state or county birth records are available. In some states, birth records are confidential for a period of up to 100 years or more, and access to more recent records may require proof that you are a direct descendant of the person whose record you seek. To write for vital records see the following:
Where to Write for Vital Records
Eichholz, Alice. Red Book: American State, County and Town Sources. Provo, Utah: Ancestry, 2004. WorldCat 55947869
The Handybook for Genealogists: United States of America. Logan, Utah: Everton Publishers, 2006. WorldCat 62744825
Some birth records are filmed and/or digitized and part of the Family History Library collection. To check the availability of birth records in a particular state, go the vital records wiki pages for that state. In addition you may browse or search FamilySearch Historical Record Collections. You may also search either by topic or geographic location in the FamilySearch Catalog.
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There is a tree on ancestry [https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/tree/161321284] with this family. The owner [initials LW] may be the relative who informed you of the 1834 arrival, RSGrosse.
If you could find Rose Ann or Rosanna's death certificate, it may name her parents [as may William 1839's]. I know little about US records, maybe post a thread on the US board here on RC & link it to this one?
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I see that New York birth records start around 1890 and are available via Ancestry for a fee. Without knowing what denomination William for baptized in, finding church records in NYC could be daunting.
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finding church records in NYC could be daunting.
Indeed and that's why I suggest looking initially for the death records of Rosanna/Rose Ann & William & maybe appealing to the expertise of RC members on the US board who will have tips as to how to find them.
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Have you added the names to Surname Interests? Under Your Tools on brown section at foot of page.
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Thanks. I will certainly add those surnames to the list.