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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Westmeath => Topic started by: ThumbelinaPM on Tuesday 26 May 20 19:11 BST (UK)
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I need to look for the 21 children of my 3xGt Grandparents - PETER ALLEN and ANN (nee COWEN) of which my Gt Grandmother was the eldest - Mary Ann Loran nee Allen b. 06.10.1872.
All from Mullingar.
What is the easiest way to find them? Are the only Irish census online for 1901 and 1911??
I know the parents, Peter and Ann married 21.08.1871 in Mullingar but don't have their births or deaths either! Where to start?!
Any advice gratefully received.
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It should be straightforward, if Mary Anne is the oldest.
Birth registrations start 1864.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/civil-search.jsp
You just have to prove that you are not a robot :)
Here is Mary Anne https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1872/03221/2180962.pdf
You can check the censuses - only 1901 and 1911 are available.
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See also this thread-
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=831679.0
KG
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Thanks I did try those links but in the 9 records for Mullingar when I enter Peter Allen, none of the records seem to relate to his birth or death or any of the children. I also can't find them on the census.
I must be doing something wrong.
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Did the family stay in Mullingar?
Do you know when Peter or Ann died?
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Catherine 1874
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1874/03124/2145763.pdf
Thomas 1876
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1876/03032/2111456.pdf
Jane 1877
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1877/02986/2094224.pdf
You would just have to keep going through to get all the children
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Birth of Teresa
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1899/02038/1780976.pdf
1901 Census Anne (widow) with children including young Teresa
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Westmeath/Mullingar_North_Urban/Church_Street/1783076/
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This is the only death I can see for Peter Allen, Mullingar
He is married and an Army Pensioner :-\
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1900/05769/4630618.pdf
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Thanks again. May i ask what you entered to get those children please?
They stayed in Mullingar though Mary Loran my Gt Grandmither went to Coatbridge in Scotland as did some of her siblings, some to England.
That's the only possible peter Allen death cert i could find though not his birth or either for his wife Anne Cowen.
Apols for typos, in my mobile!!
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Hello,
It is a bit laborious But you just have to go through births for Allen (no first name) and Mullingar.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/civil-search.jsp
Civil records
Last name
Registration district
You can choose birth/marriage/death and years if you want
Search
Solve captcha
Enter your name and tick the box
You can refine the search then if you want - not choosing gives me 460 names, so it would be best then to refine to births within a group of years etc. Then you just have to trawl through for those with the right parents.
When you have names, you can look for any marriages or deaths.
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Thanks so much, I will do that
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Good luck.
Just ask if you get stuck :)
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Look's a good bet for Anne's death 1917
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1917/05207/4439558.pdf
she was the informant on her father Thomas Cowan's death 1884,widower and Blacksmith age about 50
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1884/06323/4813452.pdf
possible marriages for Teresa and Maggie 1917 and 1918 to soldiers
David Coleman to Teresa with Maggie as witness
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1917/09754/5540156.pdf
Michael Dunne to Margaret
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1918/09712/5523734.pdf
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Thank you SO much!!! Lots to go on.
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I have now found 15 of the 21 children of Peter and Ann Allen; the remaining 6 elude me.
I have Ann's father, Thomas Cowen, Blacksmith in Mullingar and his death 13 April 1884. Yet I can't find his birth or marriage in order to find Ann's mother's name and hopefully then Ann's birth (around 1864 as she died 4 August 1917 age 53).
Finally I'd like to understand why Ann's husband, Peter was in the Mullingar Workhouse when he died age 65 on 10 March 1900 as the 1901 census shows her as Head of a Household and Washerwoman.
Any pointers greatfully received ;D
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............and hopefully then Ann's birth (around 1864 as she died 4 August 1917 age 53).
Marriage of PETER ALLEN and ANNE COWEN on 21 August 1871 so Anne would have been 7 when she married ???
KG
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I have Ann's father, Thomas Cowen, Blacksmith in Mullingar and his death 13 April 1884. Yet I can't find his birth or marriage in order to find Ann's mother's name and hopefully then Ann's birth (around 1864 as she died 4 August 1917 age 53).
Finally I'd like to understand why Ann's husband, Peter was in the Mullingar Workhouse when he died age 65 on 10 March 1900 as the 1901 census shows her as Head of a Household and Washerwoman.
Any pointers greatfully received ;D
There is a birth for Anne Cowan, 15th May 1853, Mullingar parish, with parents Thomas Cowan and Mary Masterson. The sponsors are Thomas Byrne and Mary Masterson.
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000635196#page/88/mode/1up
Also there is Mary baptised September 23rd 1855 to the same parents with sponsors Richard Cowan and Margaret Masterson.
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000635196#page/106/mode/1up
This may not be your family though.
There is a death in 1866 for Mary Cowan, 44 yrs, Mullingar but not yet online only in indexes.
Also Mary Cowen, 52 yrs in 1869.
With regard to Peter’s death in the workhouse, it might be that he was being nursed there rather than living there. :-\
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ah yes I hadn't thought of that, thanks very much Heywood. So I'm just missing Peter Allen's birth around 1835.
In my searches for the 21 children, I have two deaths which I think relate to their children however I can't find their births having scrolled through all of the records. Can you offer any suggestions as to where I can find them to prove they are part of the family?
Helena Allen died of convulsions age 1 and a half on 1st July 1880, daug of Ann Allen and a labourer (who I am hoping is Peter Allen but his name isn't stated).
Christopher Allen died 13 September 1878, (can't read cause - see snip attached), age 7, father present at death Peter Allen
Probably a stupid question but when a death cert starts N medical attendant, do they take cause of death from parent? No official involved?
Many thanks as ever
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With regard to Christopher, i think it says ......... years Exhaustion.
I suppose that if this was a longer illness, a doctor would have some knowledge of the child but I suppose, in general, if there are no obvious untoward signs, then the relative’s account was accepted.
There is an Ellen Allen with father Thomas born January 1879 so this might be Helena.
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Thanks for that. Is it common that some children aren't on the records such as Christopher b.1891, Margaret b. abt 1893 and Michael b. abt 1895? I've searched the irish genealogy website and the irish registers website.
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Have I done something wrong here?
I have birth of Thomas 13 May 1876, see attached.
However the Mullingar baptism registers show his baptism as 1875 which can't be correct?!
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Mullingar indexes have been typed up. The actual baptism record is very feint but does show as 1876.
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000635199#page/66/mode/1up
About 11th line down in page 66
As for missing birth entries it does happen and unfortunately the ones you have as missing are too late for parish records, I think.
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That's great, thanks for that