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General => Ancestral Family Tree DNA Testing => Topic started by: MJW on Thursday 28 May 20 20:31 BST (UK)
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Following an Ancestry DNA test, my closest DNA match (Henry Vila) is a mystery and I've been trying to work out for months how we are connected. Shared DNA is 116 cM across 7 segments. I've seen the various suggestions & probabilities on Ancestry & DNA Painter but nothing really stands out.
I've discovered that his daughter has also taken a test, shared DNA is only 8 cM across 3 segments.
Can I read anything into these 2 test results to help me work out my most likely relationship with Henry ?
Thanks …… Malcolm
N.B. There's some background in a previous post (on Ireland Tipperary board) if anyone is interested, although it's not strictly relevant to this post. https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=831192.0
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That doesn't help you very much. At 116 cM I might expect that you share great-grandparents or great-great-grandparents with the person.
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That doesn't help you very much. At 116 cM I might expect that you share great-grandparents or great-great-grandparents with the person.
From trying to see how Henry might be connected (and also based on his age) I thought that some form of 2nd or 3rd cousin is most likely, so sharing great or greatx2 grandparents. I've seen suggestions from Ancestry & DNA Painter for first cousins, 2 or 3 times removed, but these don't seem to fit our respective ages. Some of the suggestions/probabilities from these sites for his daughter just don't fit with what I think is feasible for Henry. Based on these, I think the most likely might be 3rd cousin for Henry & 3rd cousin once removed for his daughter. Does that seem reasonable?
Thanks ..... Malcolm
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I've been looking at mt matches for something similar to you ~
I have a 3rd cousin with whom I share 103 cm (Range - 0-234) and one of her grand daughters(3C2R) is 29 cM.
In your case, a 3C1R is possible for the daughter (range - 0-192) but are you sure that it's a daughter rather than granddaughter?
Gadget
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Have you tried using the matches you share with him to narrow down where in your tree he may connect?
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I've been looking at mt matches for something similar to you ~
I have a 3rd cousin with whom I share 103 cm (Range - 0-234) and one of her grand daughters(3C2R) is 29 cM.
In your case, a 3C1R is possible for the daughter (range - 0-192) but are you sure that it's a daughter rather than granddaughter?
Gadget
Thanks Gadget. I thought 8 cM for the daughter seemed low. It's definitely the daughter's DNA test (unless for some reason she has put her name to a test for someone else).
I'm being careful not to name people as, although Henry is deceased, his children are not. I have tried to contact the daughter through Ancestry but had no response.
Malcolm
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Have you tried using the matches you share with him to narrow down where in your tree he may connect?
Thanks Craclyn. Yes, I've checked all 8 shared matches (and also looked at their shared matches) and tried to contact them all. Some have trees (not all) but there's nothing in them that helps and certainly no mention of Henry or his surname. Unfortunately, most matches have not replied and some haven't been on Ancestry for many months.
Malcolm
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I've had another look through my matches.
I have a 120 cM shared match with a 3rd cousin who also shares 22cM with my great nephew. However, his sister (my great niece) must share less than 6cMs with her as she doesn't show up in her matches.
Note - that I have access to both of their DNA records and, in case anyone queries, they are definitely B & S, sharing over 2500 cMs across 73.
Gadget
PS - I think I'd investigate the info about the father/child link. Are you sure they say that? It could well be grandfather/granddaughter
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I've had another look through my matches.
I have a 120 cM shared match with a 3rd cousin who also shares 22cM with my great nephew. However, his sister (my great niece) must share less than 6cMs with her as she doesn't show up in her matches.
Note - that I have access to both of their DNA records and, in case anyone queries, they are definitely B & S, sharing over 2500 cMs across 73.
Gadget
PS - I think I'd investigate the info about the father/child link. Are you sure they say that? It could well be grandfather/granddaughter
That's an interesting set of cM numbers.
Everything I've seen points to them being father & daughter. If you've read my previous posts you'll see that I discovered that Henry died on the same day he'd sent me a message saying that he was born in New York City in 1930 and his birth mother was Nora Barrett. His obituary, which I found online, confirms this and names his daughter (also giving her married name), there's nobody else with that name. There is a granddaughter named but a different forename. His daughter has a small tree on Ancestry and although most people are shown as private, the numbers & genders match details from the obituary. I've also found other supporting information online naming Henry and his daughter, and their ages (Henry born 1930, died 2019 - daughter age 60+ from Ancestry profile).
All very confusing, a real mystery. It's because of the circumstances around how Henry contacted me on the day he died that I feel a real need to find how we are connected.
Looking at cM numbers, Henry was my highest DNA match (1 of 3 listed under the heading "3rd Cousin"). The next 2 were 114 cM & 100 cM, I've traced these and they are, respectively, 2nd cousin once removed & 3rd cousin.
Any further thoughts most welcome.
Thanks again …. Malcolm
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I haven't seen your other thread but I will have a look now.
One thought - you say you've done shared matches with Henry and their shared matches, have you done the same with the daughter? Although matches under 20cM don't always show, sometimes people with low shared cMs do have matches that show up if they share 30cM or more with the low match.
Gadget
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Is it this one:
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=825800.0
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I haven't seen your other thread but I will have a look now.
One thought - you say you've done shared matches with Henry and their shared matches, have you done the same with the daughter? Although matches under 20cM don't always show, sometimes people with low shared cMs do have matches that show up if they share 30cM or more with the low match.
Gadget
Yes, I've checked all the daughter's shared matches (there are 5) and all are also in my shared matches with Henry. I've also checked the shared matches of the shared matches etc. I've got them all in a colour coded group and regularly check for any changes.
Malcolm
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Is it this one:
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=825800.0
Hi Gadget
I've had 2 previous topics/threads relating to Henry Vila.
The previous one I referred to in this topic (see 1st post in this thread) was from Ireland Tipperary board asking about Henry's birth mother Nora Barrett.
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=831192.0
The one you highlight is an earlier topic post (on USA board) when I enquired about the possibility & usefulness of getting Henry's New York birth certificate.
Hope that makes sense.
Malcolm