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Research in Other Countries => United States of America => Topic started by: Deirdre784 on Friday 29 May 20 21:25 BST (UK)
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Is it possible to find any info online re a death in Colorado in 1915, probably a mining accident. Any suggestions re websites for a death record, obituary or newspaper welcome.
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https://www.deathindexes.com/colorado/index.html.
a lot of the cemeteries on his indexes might be covered at findagrave.com
ancestry.com seems to have Presbyterian burial records from that era.
A few of the people who post here subscribe to newspapers.com. They would know better than I what is available there.
I don't see the death records for the state itself at familysearch.org:
https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/location/30?region=Colorado
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If you post the name and location, someone might be able to find something for you. Include the approx date of birth and parents' names if you know that. Siblings might help also.
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Cheers oldohiohome, i’ll check those in the morning. Looking for Henry Martin, born Pembrokeshire, Wales in 1873, married in 1905 and is understood to have gone to Colorado - maybe 1907 - to set up home for his family. Believed to have died around 1915 and there is a tree on ancestry with a date of 9 Aug 1915 but no source.
Son of William Martin and Martha Phillips. Wife was Rose Griffiths but not known if she moved to Colorado.
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Harry Martin - Welshman - Timberman - aged 41 years - single - Carbon Coal and Coke - Cokedale Number 2 - County LAS - Fall of Rock - 9 August 1915
https://history.denverlibrary.org/sites/history/files/COindexMine1_0.pdf
Sandra
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Sandra, that’s fantastic thank you. Mmm says he was single 🙄 must be him though.
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Ordway New Era
August 20, 1915
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Chronicle-News
August 12, 1915
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That’s fantastic, thanks RJ137.
His father had died but he had more than 2 brothers, and also a son living with his (Henry / Harry’s) mother. Age is right though and fits with what had been passed down through the family.
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That’s fantastic, thanks RJ137.
His father had died but he had more than 2 brothers, and also a son living with his (Henry / Harry’s) mother. Age is right though and fits with what had been passed down through the family.
The obituary information might have come from co-workers or people living at the same address. So all they knew about him was what he told them and what they remembered. If he was in the US by himself, there was no next of kin to know the whole story.
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Of course, would just like to find something which ties him to the Henry i was looking for before telling the friend i’m helping. Will see if i can find immigration records or census for Harry not Henry).
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Obits removed:
Sorry, looks like the obit have already been posted.
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Can anyone find Henry / Harry on the 1910 census for me please as i’ve had no luck. He doesn’t appear to be still in Wales on the 1911 census so assuming he had already emigrated.
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I didn't find him in 1910 either.
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I didn't find him in 1910 either.
Thanks for looking, it’s all very mysterious, his wife can’t be found here in Wales either.
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Inquest does not really give much more info, but does mention a gold watch among his possessions
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QHV-N3CB-C6V1?i=47&cat=471101
A reference to Harry Martin's death in Welsh newspapers (seeking his mother) says that he was from Swansea, had worked in the Pembroke docks, and that his mother (sadly not named other than as Mrs Martin) was in Swansea. This information was according to a friend of his from Colorado, also originally form Wales
https://newspapers.library.wales/view/4100067/4100071/78/
What do you know about Rose Martin nee Griffiths? We might fill in some gaps in the history of Henry by figuring out where she ended up.
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Hi jorose, that is really interesting. I had searched both family search and Welsh newspapers and found nothing.
Sadly i’m not sure that this is the right man though the basic details fit with what the family believe. It is actually his wife Rose we are looking for as she cannot be found after the marriage in 1905 and birth of their son in 1906.
Henry - as known - was born in Hook in Pembrokeshire in 1873. He was living at home and a coal miner in 1891, and in 1901 he is in Ebbw Vale with relatives, again a coal miner, possibly having moved there for work. Still in Ebbw Vale and a coal miner on his marriage in 1905.
In 1911 his son is with his grandmother in Hook - about 65 miles away from Swansea. No sign of Rose. Family story is that the grandmother wouldn’t let Rose see the child, though she is known to have ‘walked many miles’ on several occasions to try and see him. A neighbour recalls Rose as looking ‘very young’.
Henry’s death is apparently included on a memorial tombstone in Hook, but given what has been found in the last few days i am reluctant to believe this is the right man, though i have no idea how the family knew he had died.
‘Our’ Henry was married with a wife and son (not single) always a coal miner, one of 10 surviving children (not 2 brothers), and from a village 65 miles from Swansea (no known connection).
Hard to believe there could be another Henry / Harry Martin, aged 41 from Wales though, who died in a mining accident in Colorado.
I’ll pass this info on to the family and see what they think.
Many thanks.
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All that was known about Rose was from her marriage certificate - Chepstow register office in 1905 - where she said she was 26, a spinster, father James, a labourer. One of the witnesses was Fanny Griffiths.
Through this info, i have found a very promising looking family from Marloes in Pembrokeshire, about 15 miles from Hook, though this Rose is a good few years younger than declared on her marriage. Though as Henry was 31 she could be making herself older.
Sadly Rose doesn’t appear to be with her widowed father or any of her siblings on the 1911 census.
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Is it possible to send for / buy death certificates for colorado?
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from https://www.colorado.gov/pacific/archives/death-records
Death Certificates issued after 1908 are not held by the Archives. Please contact Certificates and Vital Records for these records.
which takes you to:
https://www.colorado.gov/pacific/cdphe/searching-vital-records
which says:
Vital records, including birth, death, adoption, marriage and divorce, are confidential per Colorado state statute (C.R.S. 25-2-117). As a result, Colorado vital records are not public records and therefore not searchable online. Vital records can only be released to those who are eligible. See eligibility and identification criteria.
which takes you to:
https://www.colorado.gov/pacific/cdphe/vital-records-identification-and-eligibility-documentation-and-requirements
and you want "Eligibility for receipt of death certificates" which is this Google Drive link:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ruhYI8VxffdGjCGP-GAWHGdKFhOhIQrL/view?usp=sharing
and somewhere along the way there are probably instructions on how to obtain it, if you qualify.
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Fantastic thanks oldohiohome; the family are his direct descendants (if the right man), so hopefully they will qualify. Might rule him out one way or the other.
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Fantastic thanks oldohiohome; the family are his direct descendants (if the right man), so hopefully they will qualify. Might rule him out one way or the other.
More than I hoped for, I thought you'd be a second cousin by marriage, etc :).
Glad to know.
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No only helping a recent friend!
He and his cousin are going to get the birth certificates they need and hopefully then apply. But if the friend was the informant - and knew little about the family - i guess they may not release the death certificate.
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I think I have found the connection. This settlement with the mining company mentions that Harry Martin had a minor son William James Martin in Wales.
Denver Labor Bulletin
March 18, 1916
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I think I have found the connection. This settlement with the mining company mentions that Harry Martin had a minor son William James Martin in Wales.
Denver Labor Bulletin
March 18, 1916
Wow, that’s brilliant thanks. It did seem too coincidental not to be the same man, but that was the son’s name, so now we know.
You are all amazing, thanks for the help.
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Just to update, we have now found Henry / Harry’s wife, Rose. We can only assume they separated, willingly or otherwise (family pressures) as she married again 7 years later in her maiden name. Struggling to find out if she had any further children but she lived to be 70. A fascinating puzzle but many loose ends tied up.
Thanks for all the help.