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I have looked in free AND but can't find page/ref for sending for birth certificate of Annie Nattrass , Dishforth, Yorkshire (correct spelling) I have her marriage certificate and her Daughters certificate and I'm trying to prove Annie's mothers full name.
Can anyone advise please. Thanks in advance
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What year was Annie born?
Who did she marry? Her fathers name and occupation?
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Annie Natrass - Registration Year 1887 - Registration Quarter Oct-Nov-Dec - Registration district Ripon.
NATRASS, ANNIE mothers maiden name - BLAND
GRO Reference: 1887 D Quarter in RIPON Volume 09A Page 85
Sandra
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1891 Dishforth Yorkshire
Class RG12 Piece 3514 Folio 8 Page 10
William Nattrass 27
Jane Nattrass 21
Ethel Nattrass 11
Donnie Nattrass 3 (This is Annie)
Sandra
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1901 Dishforth Yorkshire
RG13 Piece 4045 Folio 7 Page 5
William Nattrass 40 Jane Nattrass 40
Annie Nattrass 13 Alice Nattrass 7
Ada Nattrass 3 Amy Nattrass 2
William Nattrass 5 months.
Sandra
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Possible marriage entry
Dec 1886
Bland Jane
NATTERISS William Gt Ouseburn 9a 145
NICHOLSON John
Sampson Elizabeth
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Beechbaby - can you confirm Annie’s fathers name?
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Ladyhawk it was William Nattras s I think "Sandra" on an earlier reply may have it😀 . It's the mother Jane her surname that I am trying to prove as when I had Ancestry few months ago there seemed to be more than one with marriage to William and a daughter Annie so I wasent sure which way to proceed with my tree.
Thank you for your help.
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Family on 1911 census William born Pickhill c1864
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWNJ-QDL
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There’s a Jane Bland 18 & Ethel Bland age 1 on 1881 census
Thirsk Union Workhouse, Sutton Road, Thirsk, Yorkshire & Yorkshire
reference RG11nPiece 4820 Folio 5 Page 1
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FreeBMD
BLAND Ethel Thirsk 9d 417
GRO indexes no mother’s maiden name
BLAND, ESTHEL -
1881 M Quarter in THIRSK Volume 09D Page 417
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Possible burial for William
William Nattrass Age 86
Burial date 13 Jan 1950
Church Christ Church
Denomination Anglican
Place Dishforth Yorkshire (North Riding)
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Possibility Jane Bland on 1871 census
1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census
St James Green, Thirsk, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (North Riding
William Blakelock Head 1792 - Yorkshire
Ann Blakelock Wife 1798 - Yorkshire
Mary A Bland Granddaughter unmarried 1842 - Thirsk Yorkshire
Jane Bland Ditto 1863 - Yorkshire
Margaret Bland Ditto 1866 - Yorkshire
Anne Bland Ditto 1867 - Yorkshire
Possible baptism
Jane Bland illegimate
Baptism 26 Jan 1863 Place Thirsk
Mother Mary Ann Bland
edited to add
This could be Mary Ann's baptism from 1871 census and her other children
Mary Ann Bland
Baptism 28 Oct 1842 place Thirsk
Father William, Soldier Mother Elizabeth
Margaret Bland
Baptism 26 Dec 1869 place Thirsk
Denomination Anglican
Mother Mary Ann
Annie Bland
Baptism 16 Sep 1866 place Thirsk
Denomination Anglican
Mother Mary Ann
William Bland
Baptism date 27 Jul 1871 place Thirsk (Union)
Denomination Anglican
Mother Mary Ann
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Thank you for all that info 😁
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Just found this
Jane Bland Full Age servant
Residence Kirby on the Moor
Marriage date 23 Nov 1886 Kirby on the Moor
Spouse William Natteress Full Age labourer
Spouse's residence Kirby On The Moor
Father William Bland Labourer
Spouse's father's Henry Natteress, labourer
William made his mark (x) Jane signed
Witnesses Benjamin Waller Elizabeth Ann Inman
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Thank you . First time I've seen that spelling of Nattras s !!!! William I have was down as farm labourer or farmer !!
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For you to look at as a possibility
William Natteras age 7 father Henry mother Sarah on 1871 census
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VBZV-69C
Henry Natras
Banns date 02 Nov 1862 Place Pickhill
Residence Pickhill
Spouse Sarah Swainson Spouse's residence Pickhill
Henry Nattrass Age 23, Labourer Father Thomas, labourer
Residence Pickhill
Marriage 22 Nov 1862 Pickhill
Spouse Sarah Swainson age 19 Servant father Robert, labourer
Spouse's residence Pickhill
Witness 1 John Routledge
Witness 2 Elizabeth Spence
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Ladyhawk and "Sandra" thank you both for all info .
. Just got both my trees out that I did .....one for Jane Bland b1861 Thursk (also in workhouse before she married William Nattras s b1861 Pickhill.
And one for Jane Annie Fawcett b 1861 Thirsk both had daughter called Annie plus others. Both Williams were agricultural labourers. !!!!!!!!!!!!!
So .........I think Annie s birth certificate is needed do you agree..But again how do I get the right one ?this is my dilemma .
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Just got both my trees out that I did .....one for
Jane Bland b1861 Thursk (also in workhouse before she married William Nattras s b1861 Pickhill.
And one for
Jane Annie Fawcett b 1861 Thirsk
both had daughter called Annie plus others. Both Williams were agricultural labourers. !!!!!!!!!!!!!
So .........I think Annie s birth certificate is needed do you agree..But again how do I get the right one ?this is my dilemma .
Ok lets see if this helps by comparing the two Jane's
Jane Anne Fawcett
Baptism 11 Jan 1861 Knaresborough, St John the Baptist
Denomination Anglican
Father Simon occ butcher Mother Ellen, abode High St
22 Dec 1887 Knaresborough, St John the Baptist
Jane Annie FAWCETT age 27 father Simon, Butcher
Residence Knaresborough
William Nattress age 21 , Farmer father George, Farmer
residence Dalton
Witnesses Thomas Nattress & Sarah J Nattress, All signed their names
Jane Bland father named as William on m/c ??? but I think this is the correct baptism
Jane Bland illegitimate
Baptism 26 Jan 1863 Place Thirsk
Mother Mary Ann Bland
23 Nov 1886 Kirby on the Moor
Jane BLAND Full Age servant father William Bland, Labourer
Residence Kirby on the Moor
William Natteress Full Age, labourer father Henry, labourer
residence Kirby On The Moor
William made his mark (x) Jane signed
Witnesses Benjamin Wall(k)er & Elizabeth Ann Inman
1891 Angleham, Great Fencote, Kirkby Fleetham, Bedale, Yorkshire
William Nattrass Head Married 1867 Thirsk, Yorkshire, farm labourer
Jane Annie Nattrass Wife Married 1861 Knaresborough, Yorkshire
Frances May Nattrass daughter 1889 Thirsk, Yorkshire
Florence Ethel Nattrass Daughter 1890 Thirsk, Yorkshire
Sarah Ann Nattrass Sister Single 1874 Farmers Daughter Pateley Bridge, Yorkshire
Frances May NATTRESS mmn FAWCETT
1888 D Quarter in THIRSK Volume 09D Page 415
Florence Ethel NATTRESS mmn FAWCETT
1890 M Quarter in THIRSK Volume 09D Page 403
1891 Dishforth Yorkshire (details posted by Sandra)
Class RG12 Piece 3514 Folio 8 Page 10
William Nattrass 27 Agricultural Labourer Pickhill, Yorkshire
Jane Nattrass 21 Thirsk
Ethel Nattrass 11
Donnie Nattrass 3 (This is Annie)
Annie NATRASS mothers maiden name - BLAND (details posted. by Sandra reply 2)
1887 D Quarter in RIPON Volume 09A Page 85
It looks as if Jane A Nattress (nee Fawcett) & children left for New York in 1893
Departure year 25 1 1893
Departure port Liverpool
Destination NEW YORK
Ship name Teutonic
Mrs Jane A Nattress wife age 25
Miss S J ditto spinster age 20
Francis child age 4
Florence child age 2 1/2
George child age 1 1/2
Louisa Inft. age 1
possible birth entries for George & Louisa
George Fawcett NATTRESS mmn FAWCETT
1891 J Quarter in BEDALE Volume 09D Page 677
Louisa Annie NATTRESS mmn FAWCETT
1892 S Quarter in THIRSK Volume 09D Page 444
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Annie Nattrass , Dishforth, Yorkshire (correct spelling)
I have her marriage certificate and her Daughters certificate
Who did Annie marry and when?
Who were the witnesses?
Can you give details of the censuses you have Annie on?
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Just got both my trees out that I did .....one for
Jane Bland b1861 Thursk (also in workhouse before she married William Nattras s b1861 Pickhill.
And one for
Jane Annie Fawcett b 1861 Thirsk
both had daughter called Annie plus others. Both Williams were agricultural labourers. !!!!!!!!!!!!!
So .........I think Annie s birth certificate is needed do you agree..But again how do I get the right one ?this is my dilemma .
It looks as if Jane A Nattress (nee Fawcett) & children left for New York in 1893
Departure year 25 1 1893
Departure port Liverpool
Destination NEW YORK
Ship name Teutonic
Mrs Jane A Nattress wife age 25
Miss S J ditto spinster age 20
Francis child age 4
Florence child age 2 1/2
George child age 1 1/2
Louisa Inft. age 1
Passenger ship record has destination as Vermont.
Passenger ship: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:J6TK-JM3
There is a Jane Fawcett Nattress who died in 1898 Vermont.
Vermont Vitals: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QPQL-J2CL
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QPQL-GDR1
There is a Sarah Jane Nattress (Miss S J) who married a Chas Eugene Percivial in 1986 Vermont.
Marriage: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QPQ2-B5KT
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RJ137 - thank you for posting the extra info. that seems to confirm that Jane Annie Nattress (nee Fawcett) departed the UK in 1893
Beechbaby - hope the information posted has been helpful in clarifying which birth certificate you need
Just got both my trees out that I did .....one for
Jane Bland b1861 Thursk (also in workhouse before she married William Nattras s b1861 Pickhill.
And one for
Jane Annie Fawcett b 1861 Thirsk
both had daughter called Annie plus others. Both Williams were agricultural labourers. !!!!!!!!!!!!!
So .........I think Annie s birth certificate is needed do you agree..But again how do I get the right one ?this is my dilemma .
Sandra added this census entry
1901 Dishforth Yorkshire
RG13 Piece 4045 Folio 7 Page 5
William Nattrass 40 Pickhill occ Ordinary Agricultural Labouer
Jane Nattrass 40 Thirsk
Annie Nattrass 13 Dishforth, Yorkshire
Alice Nattrass 7
Ada Nattrass 3
Amy Nattrass 2
William Nattrass 5 months
Annie NATRASS mothers maiden name BLAND (details posted. by Sandra reply 2)
1887 D Quarter in RIPON Volume 09A Page 85
Alice NATRASS mmn BLAND
1894 S Quarter in RIPON Volume 09A Page 81
Amy NATTRASS mmn BLAND
1898 D Quarter in RIPON Volume 09A Page 80
William NATTRASS mmn BLAND
1900 D Quarter in RIPON Volume 09A Page 75
1911 census from family search
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWNJ-QDL
William Nattrass Head 47 Pickhill, Yorkshire, Farm Labourer
Jane Nattrass Wife 50 Thirsk, Yorkshire
Amy Nattrass Daughter 12 Dishforth, Yorkshire
Willam Nattrass Son 10 Dishforth, Yorkshire
Wilfred Nattrass Son 6 Dishforth, Yorkshire
Hilda Nattrass Daughter 3 Dishforth, Yorkshire
Harry Nattrass Grandchild 3 Dishforth, Yorkshire
Dorris Nattrass Grandchild 1 Dishforth, Yorkshire
Wilfred NATTRASS mmn BLAND
1904 S Quarter in RIPON Volume 09A Page 74
Hilda NATTRASS mmn BLAND
1907 J Quarter in RIPON Volume 09A Page 77
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Doris Nattrass is my birth mother (she gave myself and sisters up for adoption when I was 1yr old)
Harry Nattrass is my Uncle ( iv e never met him that I can remember)
Jane is my Great Grandmother.
So is it Jane Bland that's my gut feeling.
Thank you so much for ALL your hard work you have no idea how much it is appreciated.😀
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Doris Nattrass is my birth mother (she gave myself and sisters up for adoption when I was 1yr old)
Harry Nattrass is my Uncle ( iv e never met him that I can remember)
Jane is my Great Grandmother.
So is it Jane Bland that's my gut feeling.
Thank you so much for ALL your hard work you have no idea how much it is appreciated.😀
You are welcome :)
Witnesses to Annie's marriage were they members of the family - a sibling perhaps that might link back to Jane Bland
Both Doris (1909) & Harry (1907) birth registrations are in Ripon and the mother's maiden name is left blank
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Witnesses to Annie s first marriage to Claude A .Heaton marriage are John Heaton & Mary Sarah Mitchell at the Parish church ,Colne.
I don't have a copy I get 2nd marriage to Thomas Dalby.
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I have Birth mothers Doris birth cert d.o.b. 7/9/1909 no father. Mother. Annie Nattrass domestic servant of Dishforth registration Ripon.
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Witnesses to Annie s first marriage to Claude A .Heaton marriage are John Heaton & Mary Sarah Mitchell at the Parish church ,Colne.
don't have a copy 2nd marriage to Thomas Dalby
Ok so not Annie's family :-\
HEATON Edward Arthur Claude
NATTRASS Annie
1912 Colne, St Bartholomew
DALBY Thomas
HEATON Annie
NATTRASS Annie
1921 Colne, St Bartholomew
Have you found Annie on the 1939 Register confirming her dob?
I have Birth mothers Doris birth cert d.o.b. 7/9/1909 no father. Mother. Annie Nattrass domestic servant of Dishforth registration Ripon.
Is this Annie in 1911?
1911c https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X4ML-KDK - Lancashire
Annie NATTRASS age 24 Thirsk occ General Domestic Servant
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There’s DALBY couple on 1939 register which is free to search in Colne,
Annie's year of birth is 1884
Do you know of any Dalby children's names - do not mention names if they are still living
Colne M.B. Lancashire
Thomas 1871
Annie 1884
C 1925 - C Dably (Male) death 2004 dob 5 3 1925
J Starkie (Dalby) (female)1928 - J Starkie death 2004 dob 2 11 1930
EditEd to remove full Christian names just in case they are wrong death entries
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Yes Dalbys still alive (decendants). That's why I didn't put any on as I'm not sure who is and who isen't.
Thank you
I've just been thinking there's a post with William's death info I wonder when were back to normal if I rang named Authorities if I could find out if Jane is burried with William 😯😯😯 !!!!?????
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I've just been thinking there's a post with William's death info I wonder when were back to normal if I rang named Authorities if I could find out if Jane is burried with William 😯😯😯 !!!!?????
Edited my previous post just in case I’ve got wrong death entries
Can you give the details as to where and when he died just in case there’s any info. online that might help
Edited forgot I posted this on the thread ::)
Possible burial for William
William Nattrass Age 86
Burial date 13 Jan 1950
Church Christ Church
Denomination Anglican
Place Dishforth Yorkshire (North Riding)
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Could this be a possibility for Jane?
Jane Nattrass Age 74
Birth year 1863
Burial date 26 Jul 1937
Burial place Dishforth
Residence Dishforth
County Yorkshire (North Riding)
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Dear Ladyhawk I must apologise profusely as this (today) is the first time I have seen this info that is why I did not reply to it. I have been having trouble logging onto Rootschat and quite honestly gave up quite a few times so this could well be why I missed it. I am sorry, as I value your info .
To reply to your info yes I think it could be correct . I have recently asked for help with Jane's mother Mary Ann as I seem to in the past have conflicting info from a friend who was helping me but who has sadley passed away (not rootschat member) so I'm just trying to clarify that info.
Once again "sorry" and hope it has not jeopardized any help you may offer..
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Dear Ladyhawk
I must apologise profusely as this (today) is the first time I have seen this info that is why I did not reply to it.
I have been having trouble logging onto Rootschat and quite honestly gave up quite a few times so this could well be why I missed it.
I am sorry, as I value your info .
To reply to your info yes I think it could be correct .
Once again "sorry" and hope it has not jeopardized any help you may offer..
No problem and no it's not 'jeopardized' any help I may offer :)