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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Kent => Topic started by: LizzieL on Monday 08 June 20 16:39 BST (UK)
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Joseph Frank Naudi married Caroline Kennett in Q4 1881 in East Ashford District. The had a daughter Ginevra Marguerita in Q3 1882 in Peckham. Caroline is on 1891 census with Edward Warner as his wife with Ginevra (as Warner) and two sons registered as Warners with Kennett as mmn.
Ginevra married in 1905 to Geoffrey Gerald Hayes in Greenwich district, then as a widow to Thomas Francis Manderson on 19 May 1918 in Greenwich. Joseph Naudi was a tramway inspector deceased on her 2nd marriage record.
Can anyone find Joseph Naudi on any census and Ginevra in 1901, please?
I cannot find Edward Warner or Caroline in 1901 either (perhaps both had died, or Caroline had gone off and left Edward), their two sons are with their grandmother Fanny Warner in Tonbridge.
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Presumably the 1891 census has age and place of births?
What were they?
As an uncommon surname, did you chase this one back?
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XW6Z-L22
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I cannot find a census but there are some documents on FindMyPast about this man. He served as a Private with the 14 Hussars , date of discharge 15 April 1881 , aged 25 yrs 11 months. He had served for 5 yrs 171 days. There is a fold3 document on ancestry which I cannot access which says born about 1855 Matts ( I imagine this is Malta ) .
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1881 census has a John Naudi ( transcribed Nandi ) , a Private soldier born 1856 Malta ( British Subject ) in Barracks in Canterbury.
RG11/ 960/95 p 22
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Re 1901 entry - could she be Caroline Maude - Widow b 1865 Westwell Kent with 9yr old daughter Eva b Tonbridge. 1891 has her in Tonbridge
Eva Isalena Warner b Dec qtr 1891 Tunbridge
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1881 marriage is transcribed as Nandi but Ginevra's birth & marriage is Naudi
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This doesn't add to your search but I just found a transcript of the marriage :
Joseph Frank Naudi of Peckham married Caroline Kennett 4 Oct 1881 at St Mary's Kennington -
I was married at St Mary's Kennington in 1975 :)
I've now found the image which gives Joseph's father as Michael Naudi , auctioneer
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Marriage 04 Oct 1881 @ Kennington, St Mary
He is a "Collector", resident of Peckham , 27y, father Michael Naudi an auctioneer,
she 18y resident Kennington, father william (a Bailiff).
Winesses surname Kennett (william C & Frank/Jane/who-knows-what)
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Sorry Pauline - we crossed !
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Sorry Pauline - we crossed !
Naw, I'm just slow, The writing on the image is atrocious.
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Thank you all very much. I don't seem to be getting notifications of reply, unless their going in to a spam folder somewhere.
Malta for his birth is quite likely, I've found other Naudis born there. On both of Ginevra's marriage records (recently found the earlier one, Joseph is described as deceased - but that might be just what she was told, to explain why her mother was "married" to Edward Warner. If Joseph was a collector on his marriage record and tramway inspector on his daughter's maybe he collected tickets on the tramway and his occupation got bigged up to an inspector.
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Presumably the 1891 census has age and place of births?
What were they?
As an uncommon surname, did you chase this one back?
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XW6Z-L22
I've just found the sister (Jane Cooper) in 1901 with husband Charles Cooper, born in Westwell. I've checked mmn of two of their children and it is also Kennett. So it looks like Caroline has changed her name to Sarah Ann.
Now found marriage of Charles Cooper(indexed as Cowper) and Jane Kennett in E Ashford District 1887.
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Re 1901 entry - could she be Caroline Maude - Widow b 1865 Westwell Kent with 9yr old daughter Eva b Tonbridge. 1891 has her in Tonbridge
Eva Isalena Warner b Dec qtr 1891 Tunbridge
Thanks that looks like Caroline. I have just found Eva Selena Warner baptism 17 Jan 1892 in Tonbridge d/o Edward and Caroline. Edward is a postman.
This means Caroline has had 1 child with Joseph Naudi and three with Edward - doesn't match what Sarah Ann states in 1911 either as a total or with either marriage. ???
Also Sarah Ann has wrong birthplace in 1911.
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Geneva Margaret Naudi , aged 15 , servant, arrested 4 Feb 1898 and tried 6 April 1898 at the Town Hall Hythe , for several offences including stealing a bicycle and attempting to obtain someone else's property by fraud. Bound over in own recognizance in sum of £5 to come up for judgement if called.
Perhaps she kept a low profile for a while after that !