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Title: Florence Bruce -Mezzo Soprano
Post by: Robert Fletcher on Tuesday 09 June 20 12:42 BST (UK)
I follow some classic 78 recordings on the "OldiesAl" channel on youtube.  The latest is a treasure that has defied any research. Looking for any information on Florence Bruce, Mezzo-Soprano. She is singing Loch Lomond "https://youtu.be/bOo1UmOCo3g (https://youtu.be/bOo1UmOCo3g)" from a 1911 recording.
Sometimes you have to broader a search, hence asking here. Any help appreciated.

Thanks...
Title: Re: Florence Bruce -Mezzo Soprano
Post by: Girl Guide on Tuesday 09 June 20 17:05 BST (UK)
Could this be Florence?

From SF Gate Thursday, March 6, 1997 (I assume this is San Fancisco.)

Florence Welch Bruce, a supporter of the San Francisco Opera since the 1930s and the creator of the Florence Bruce scholarship for promising musicians, died February 24 in her Hillsborough home after a brief illness. She was 90.

A native of San Francisco and a graduate of the Katherine Burke and Hamlin schools in San Francisco, Mrs. Burke was active in the Red Cross during World War II.

She was a past president of the San Francisco Opera Guild and helped develop the opera's Merola Fund.

She was a supporter and volunteer at the San Francisco and San Mateo arboretums and was a former member of the board of Mills Hospital.

Her husband of 45 years, Starr Bruce, died in 1969.

There is a marriage of a Starr Bruce to a Florence Elaine Welch on 11 November 1926 in San Francisco, California.  Her parents are given as Andrew Welch and Julia De Laveaga.

It doesn't state that she was a mezzo soprano but it could be her.  But it may not as she was 90 in 1997 so born 1907.  If she was recording in 1911 then I think four years old would be too young!!  ::)

I assume you have no idea where she could have been born.  Of course Florence Bruce may have been a stage name and not her real name!  Interesting that nothing seems to come up on Google that is of any significance.
Title: Re: Florence Bruce -Mezzo Soprano
Post by: Spidermonkey on Tuesday 09 June 20 17:09 BST (UK)
Looking at the newspaper archive on FindMyPast, there are mentions of Florence Bruce performing in Yorkshire in March 1894
Title: Re: Florence Bruce -Mezzo Soprano
Post by: Spidermonkey on Tuesday 09 June 20 17:12 BST (UK)
From the Yorkshire Evening Press 22 March 1894
Title: Re: Florence Bruce -Mezzo Soprano
Post by: Girl Guide on Tuesday 09 June 20 17:13 BST (UK)
That's more likely Spider Monkey, so suggests she was British perhaps?
Title: Re: Florence Bruce -Mezzo Soprano
Post by: Spidermonkey on Tuesday 09 June 20 17:19 BST (UK)
Looks like it - going into 1895, Miss Bruce is still performing with Madame Marie Levante's Bohemian Band of Ladies and Concert Party.  I've found reference to her in Penrith and Todmorden  - so perhaps 'northern' (wide geographical area!) based?

In Todmorden, she is also listed as a Banjoist as well as soprano.
Title: Re: Florence Bruce -Mezzo Soprano
Post by: Spidermonkey on Tuesday 09 June 20 17:24 BST (UK)
August 1895 - The Empire, Blackpool

Winter 1895 - still with Madame Marie Levante, based in Yorkshire and the north
Title: Re: Florence Bruce -Mezzo Soprano
Post by: Spidermonkey on Tuesday 09 June 20 17:26 BST (UK)
June 1896 - part of Mr Louis Tussaud's exhibition in the Agricultural Hall, Norwich.  Still part of the Bohemian Band of Ladies.
Title: Re: Florence Bruce -Mezzo Soprano
Post by: Spidermonkey on Tuesday 09 June 20 17:30 BST (UK)
Potentially by January of 1897, Miss Bruce has departed from Bohemian Band of Ladies.  She is listed in The Stage (28 Jan 1897) as being part of the cast of Aladdin being performed at The Royal, Blackburn.
Title: Re: Florence Bruce -Mezzo Soprano
Post by: Spidermonkey on Tuesday 09 June 20 17:32 BST (UK)
That is the last reference I can find of Florence Bruce AND soprano in the newspaper archive.  I'll see if there are any leads to grab from elsewhere.
Title: Re: Florence Bruce -Mezzo Soprano
Post by: Girl Guide on Tuesday 09 June 20 17:34 BST (UK)
There is a possible Florence birth here:

BRUCE, FLORENCE  WAIND     WAIND 
GRO Reference: 1876  M Quarter in YORK  Volume 09D  Page 47

In 1901 she is living here 10, Priory Street, York, Yorkshire & Yorkshire.  Her occupation is given as Assistant School Mistress, so may be did singing on the side?

Registration district   York
Archive reference   RG13
Piece number   4440
Folio   32
Page   14

I haven't found her in 1911 yet nor any possible marriage.
Title: Re: Florence Bruce -Mezzo Soprano
Post by: Girl Guide on Tuesday 09 June 20 17:40 BST (UK)
Found her in 1911 with a completely mangled second christian name.  Living at 27 Havelock Road Hastings, Hastings, Sussex with her sister and mother.  Mother now a widow.

Occupation is teacher so could still be doing singing on the side  ;D
Title: Re: Florence Bruce -Mezzo Soprano
Post by: Girl Guide on Tuesday 09 June 20 17:43 BST (UK)
This could well be her marriage:-

Marriages Sep 1915   

Bruce    Florence W    Harman    Hastings    2b   53   
Harman    Frederick G    Bruce    Hastings    2b   53

It is in Hastings where she is living in 1911.

This is all speculation of course, she may not be the mezzo-soprano one at all.
Title: Re: Florence Bruce -Mezzo Soprano
Post by: Spidermonkey on Tuesday 09 June 20 17:45 BST (UK)
That's a possibility, GG.

In January 1898, Miss Florence Bruce is still performing in Aladdin, but this time in Ashton Under Lyne.

Found a mention of Miss Bruce in 1913 (see attached clipping).  Lillian Oates is mentioned again - they seem to have been linked for some years, so I wonder if they lodge together?

Possibly same Lillian Oates as found here https://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/50fd682c1c3d4ad0a1e9d311b69e0856
Title: Re: Florence Bruce -Mezzo Soprano
Post by: Girl Guide on Tuesday 09 June 20 17:47 BST (UK)
Florence is a widow in 1939, retired school mistress.  Couldn't see any children from that marriage.
Title: Re: Florence Bruce -Mezzo Soprano
Post by: Girl Guide on Tuesday 09 June 20 17:52 BST (UK)
Just found a death for her:-


Deaths Sep 1973 
HARMAN    FLORENCE WAIND    19JA1876    HASTINGS    5H   1112
Title: Re: Florence Bruce -Mezzo Soprano
Post by: Girl Guide on Tuesday 09 June 20 17:58 BST (UK)
Seems her husband died in 1926 so the marriage didn't last long.  He may have been in the first world war and suffered badly in it.
Title: Re: Florence Bruce -Mezzo Soprano
Post by: Robert Fletcher on Tuesday 09 June 20 18:04 BST (UK)
I must thank you all for doing so well. The performance in Yorkshire where it actually lists Florence Bruce -Mezzo-Soprano looks very promising. The record label the "Bel Canto" record label was short-lived. From my understanding, Florence does not appear on any other recordings.
Title: Re: Florence Bruce -Mezzo Soprano
Post by: Spidermonkey on Tuesday 09 June 20 18:41 BST (UK)
According to here http://www.mgthomas.co.uk/Records/LabelPages/Pickofall.htm Florence Bruce was on 3 other recordings (catalogue number 950, 951, 952), and it was Eleanor Bruce who recorded Loch Lomond.

So, ultimate question - were Florence and Eleanor related????????