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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: EBrand on Thursday 11 June 20 01:41 BST (UK)
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Good morning Rootschatters,
I am in search for an ancestor's parents, who I believe resided in Tasmania, but I am not having any luck!
I am unfamiliar with Tasmanian ancestry databases and from what I can see, there is not much to go on.
I am hoping someone may have a bit more knowledge on how to navigate these resources and point me in the right direction.
Ancestor: Maria KING nee EVERETT
Married James KING on the 8th of April 1839 in Hobart, Tasmania.
Had 4 children in Tasmania, Louisa (1842), William (1843), Emily and Henry John Richard (1845).
Arrived in Port Phillip, NSW in 1846, in which info states she was born in VDL (Van Diemen's Land- Tasmania).
She and her husband had quite a few more children in Victoria.
She died in Melbourne in 1879 aged 54, which gives an est. d.o.b of 1825. The death index on Ancestry lists her parents as a William EVERETT and Maria.
I would like to find out more about where her parents came from and how they arrived in Tasmania, but can't find anything conclusive.
Thanks for your time Rootschatters,
EB
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Good morning Rootschatters,
I am in search for an ancestor's parents, who I believe resided in Tasmania, but I am not having any luck!
I am unfamiliar with Tasmanian ancestry databases and from what I can see, there is not much to go on.
I am hoping someone may have a bit more knowledge on how to navigate these resources and point me in the right direction.
Ancestor: Maria KING nee EVERETT
Married James KING on the 8th of April 1839 in Hobart, Tasmania.
Had 4 children in Tasmania, Louisa (1842), William (1843), Emily and Henry John Richard (1845).
Arrived in Port Phillip, NSW in 1846, in which info states she was born in VDL (Van Diemen's Land- Tasmania).
She and her husband had quite a few more children in Victoria.
She died in Melbourne in 1879 aged 54, which gives an est. d.o.b of 1825. The death index on Ancestry lists her parents as a William EVERETT and Maria.
I would like to find out more about where her parents came from and how they arrived in Tasmania, but can't find anything conclusive.
Thanks for your time Rootschatters,
EB
Hi there, EB :)
Have you tried RChat's Tasmania Resources Board ?
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=369953.0
Yes, the Tasmanian BDM records can at times have scant info about the family history of the person of interest, but here is a live link to the marriage of Maria EVERETT in 1839. https://stors.tas.gov.au/RGD37-1-1p18j2k You will notice Maria was aged 16, when she married James KING, so born about 1823-4, which closely matches up to the 1854 death in Vic BDM that you mention. Do you have a copy of that death cert? If so, perhaps you can type up the info from it and share with the RChatters that are familiar with both Vic and Tas searchings.
JM
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Thanks JM!
Oh wow! I had no idea that resource existed, how wonderful!
Unfortunately no parents names though.
I don't have an actual copy of the death cert but from Ancestry's Death Index resource in which it lists her parents as William EVERETT and Maria.
According to this database portal.archives.tas.gov.au/menu.aspx?detail=1&type=P&id=119806 (http://portal.archives.tas.gov.au/menu.aspx?detail=1&type=P&id=119806) Maria was born in 1823 and according to FindAGrave, she died on the 23rd of June 1879 and was buried in Melbourne General Cemetery.
Wondering if she was born in Tassie, that there would be a baptism/birth register for the 1820s with parents names on it.
I'll have to try the Tassie Resources Board!
EB
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The free to search online index of Victoria's deaths has
Maria KING's death at age 54, and registration as ref 4679/1879
It includes 'Place of Birth" and lists that as Liverpool.
It has her parents as Maria (unknown maiden surname) and William EVERETT
Info on VIC BDMs is usually very detailed... See the following thread:
https://www.bdm.vic.gov.au/research-and-family-history/search-your-family-history
NB Liverpool may refer to Liverpool NSW or to the one in the UK....
JM Oops, add the thread now : http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,373754.0.html
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Trove The Age 24 June 1879 https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/199359979
KING
On the 22nd of June, at her residence, corner of Napier and Rose Streets, Mrs King, late wife of James King of dropsy. Home papers please copy.
JM
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Hmm, that's really interesting.
I think I've gotten myself a bit confused.
She married James KING and had children to him, but on this arrival sheet at Port Phillip she is the wife of William KING https://www.ancestry.com.au/imageviewer/collections/8821/images/41986_329567-00078?treeid=162685494&personid=262122878038&hintid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=hod900&_phstart=default&usePUBJs=true&pId=376&backurl=https%3A%2F%2Fsearch.ancestry.com.au%2Fcgi-bin%2Fsse.dll%3Findiv%3D1%26dbid%3D8821%26h%3D376%26tid%3D162685494%26pid%3D262122878038%26usePUB%3Dtrue%26_phsrc%3Dhod900%26_phstart%3Ddefault%26usePUBJs%3Dtrue (https://www.ancestry.com.au/imageviewer/collections/8821/images/41986_329567-00078?treeid=162685494&personid=262122878038&hintid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=hod900&_phstart=default&usePUBJs=true&pId=376&backurl=https%3A%2F%2Fsearch.ancestry.com.au%2Fcgi-bin%2Fsse.dll%3Findiv%3D1%26dbid%3D8821%26h%3D376%26tid%3D162685494%26pid%3D262122878038%26usePUB%3Dtrue%26_phsrc%3Dhod900%26_phstart%3Ddefault%26usePUBJs%3Dtrue)
Not sure if you can see that link above. ???
What is interesting is that although the husband's name is different, the children's names are the same, and husband's profession is same as on marriage cert. It says on this resource that Maria was born in VDL (Van Diemen's Land), which is why I assumed she was born in Tassie and looked for records of her birth there.
Maybe I've been barking up the wrong tree the whole time, and she came to Aus as a convict, or with her parents who were convicts.
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KING is one of the more popular surnames in the 19th century colonial era.... how certain are you that that voyage of the David is for your family?
JM
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The vessel is named David, the vessel's owner was in charge of the voyage...
67 tonnage departed Hobart Town 2 Feb 1846, arrived Port Phillip 15 Feb 1846, 13 days on the voyage, and 2 days from 8th Feb at Zeehan (?, I am guessing at that) Island. Among the passengers :
Wm King, of an unknown native county and country, a Gardener, intending to be a Settler in Victoria
Maria King, of V.D Land, wife,
Louisa King, 6, of V.D. Land, daughter
Wm King, 4, of VDL, son
Henry King, 9 months, of VDL, son
JM
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I guess I cannot ever be 100% sure.
This is Wm King's death index, place of birth missing. He would have been born in 1843.
Name: Wm King
Birth Year: abt 1845
Age: 52
Death Place: Frankston, Victoria
Father's name: King Jas
Mother's name: Maria Everett
Registration Year: 1897
Registration Place: Victoria
Registration Number: 1501
And Henry King's death index. Place of birth missing. Was born Tassie 1845 before they left.
Name: Hy King
Birth Year: abt 1847
Age: 58
Death Place: Collingwood, Victoria
Father's name: Jas King
Mother's name: Maria Everett
Registration Year: 1905
Registration Place: Victoria
Registration Number: 4974
I guess it's mainly the fact that the children's ages line up with the arrival sheet.
Eg. William b. 1843 is 4 on arrival in 1846 therefore (b.1842/1843)
Henry b. 23 Apr 1845 in 9mos on arrival in Feb 1846 therefore (b. 1845)
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:) Well I think you may need to obtain actual documents rather than just rely on indexes. Ancestry and other commercial websites have indexes which are compiled by mixing indexes from many sources all in together, so some 'data fields' are dropped or mangled or simply not displayed at all. And I suspect that some of those commercial websites have obtained some of their indexes without considering that some are not even based on 'official records'.
I added to an earlier post, so perhaps I should add it here again .... this is what you can find on official records from Vic BDM :) ...
The free to search online index of Victoria's deaths has
Maria KING's death at age 54, and registration as ref 4679/1879
It includes 'Place of Birth" and lists that as Liverpool.
It has her parents as Maria (unknown maiden surname) and William EVERETT
Info on VIC BDMs is usually very detailed... See the following thread:
https://www.bdm.vic.gov.au/research-and-family-history/search-your-family-history
NB Liverpool may refer to Liverpool NSW or to the one in the UK....
JM Oops, add the thread now : http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,373754.0.html
The Victorian system of registration is one of the best in the world, there is plenty of useful information on both the certificates and the indexes.
What you'll find on a Victorian certificate of birth, death or marriage:
Births
Date and place of birth;
name of child and whether present or not;
name of parents (including mother's maiden name);
occupation of parents;
ages and birthplace of parents;
date and place of marriage of parents;
previous children of their marriage noting living or deceased;
signature, description and address of the person who gave the information;
names of witnesses;
date and place of registation.
Deaths
Date and place of death;
name and surname;
occupation of the deceased;
sex and age;
cause of death,
duration of illness,
medical attendant by whom certified and when he last saw deceased;
name and surname of parents (if known) including mother's maiden surname signature, description and address of the person who gave the information; signature of deputy registrar, date and where registered,
when and where buried,
undertaker whom certified;
name and religion of Minister, or names of witnesses of burial;
place of birth of the deceased and how long he or she resided in theAustralian colonies or states (stating which),
name of spouse,
place of marriage,
age at marriage;
names and ages of children of the deceased.
Marriages
Date and place of marriage;
name and surnames;
conjugal condition, whether bachelor or spinster, widow or widower,
stating date of decease of former wife or husband;
children by each former marriage;
birthplace;
occupation;
age;
residence (present and usual);
parent's names of each party (including mother's maiden name) and occupation of father;
signatures of the parties and witnesses;
signature of Minister. Prior to 1963 the date of termination of previous marriages of the parties is also shown.
JM
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Alright I'll have a look at that!
Thanks for your help JM!
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May be of interest https://fretwelliana.files.wordpress.com/2019/03/profile-carter-maria-minimum.pdf
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Hey JM,
Just ordered Maria's death cert, here is all the info I can gather from it.
Death Date: 22nd June 1879, corner of Rose and Napier Streets, Fitzroy
Name: Maria King
Age: 54
Father's name: William Everett, labourer
Mother's name: Maria (m surname unknown)
Informant: William King, son, Fitzroy
Where Born: Liverpool, England
How long in Australian colonies: Tasmania (5 years), Victoria (34 years)
Married: Hobart Town, Tasmania, James King (16 years)
Children: Louisa (34), William (32), Henry (30), Thomas (27), Annie Maria (24), George (18), Morton (14), Albert (10).
So she was born in Liverpool in 1823, came over to Tassie when she was a young girl.
Could she have come out under wives and children of convicts to Tassie?
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May be of interest https://fretwelliana.files.wordpress.com/2019/03/profile-carter-maria-minimum.pdf
This has muddied the waters even more ;D
I am so confused!
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From scouring the convict registers I found information for a William EVERETT, originally from Manchester (quite close to Liverpool) who came out on the Red Rover in 1830. He was 22 at this time, giving a birth date of 1808. This means he would have been 15 at time of Maria EVERETT's birth (maybe his age was played down).
Perhaps after (if) he got his ticket of leave, he sent for his wife and young daughter to come to Tassie?
All of this is speculation but it's the only thing I've managed to come up with!
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Among those who came to VDL and settled there in the 1820s and 1830s were convicts. Not all convicts were male. And once they had served their time or received their Certificate of freedom they were no longer convicts...
For example ...
:) there were soldiers with and without family members ... garrison forces .... who chose to take up land and stay when their regiments tour of duty had finished and the regiment was next off the India...
:) 'came free' settlers moved between the colonies too, NSW to VDL ...
:) government administrative staff and their household including domestic help ... school teachers, etc
So you could likely look for Arrivals on that Tasmaniian Names index, and also look back into Lancashire for possible marriage for her parents....
JM
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Aghh.... she was 54 when she died. She was 39 years in the colony. She was aged 16 when she married. .... She may well have arrived unaccompanied, a single woman
JM
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I wonder what circumstances would lead a 15 year old girl to come out unaccompanied to VDL.
There are a few arrivals for a William EVERETT that I can see:
Name:Everett, William
Record Type:Arrivals
Arrival date:20 Oct 1831
Ship:Lotus
Record ID:NAME_INDEXES:440387
Resource:CUS30/1/1 P56
A death cert for one Wm Everett (d.1860 aged 55) but he was born in Norfolk.
A marriage for that same Wm Everett, widower, to Jane Holland, in 1844 aged 35. So previously married.
Nothing I can see that has a lead.. :(
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May be of interest https://fretwelliana.files.wordpress.com/2019/03/profile-carter-maria-minimum.pdf
This has muddied the waters even more ;D
I am so confused!
And according to the above
...”James King died on 20 August 1891 at the age of 82 at his home in Station Street, Carlton. According to his death certificate he had been a gardener by occupation, and had died of old age. His father was also named James King, but the details of his mother were unknown. James had been born in Essex, England, and had lived in Tasmania for ten years before moving to Victoria where he resided for forty years. The informant, his brother Henry King of Collingwood....”
According to the above his son James KING also died 1891, a few weeks before his father.
Also mentions Louisa King, eldest daughter of James and Maria, married a William Everett in 1888.
This 1891 death looks like the father James KING and mentions daughter Mrs Everret [sic]
Death 9575/1891 Jas KING; ; Father: unknown; Mother: unknown; Carl
Melbourne General Cemetery https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/190621227
This death 1891 must be the son James KING
Death 11983/1891 Jas KING; age 36; Father: James; Mother: Maria EVERITT; Prn Alf Hosp
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/190631092
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/197953727
Footscray Cemetery https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/190621253
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Yep, that seems to be the right ones there. Thanks for that, CupOfLife!
Just hoping for a shred of detail on their lives before coming to Aus!
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I may (or may not haha) be able to assist you with this, or we might be able to work this out between us.
I was born Everett. I have taken the Ancestry DNA test and my DNA is uploaded to most sites.
My most distant DNA confirmed Everett Ancestor is:
Francis William Everett (born 1865 Herefordshire - died 1926 Herefordshire)
Parents are Henry Everett and Elizabeth ???
(I've been attaching my DNA to various Henry and Elizabeth Everetts around the right age and have yet to confirm which Henry and Elizabeth).
I have a DNA match - TB - his most distant DNA confirmed Everett Ancestor is:
Maria Everett (born 1823 Liverpool - died 1879 Melborne)
Parents are William Everett and Maria ???
I have a DNA match - IanF - his most distant DNA confirmed Everett Ancestor is:
Elizabeth Everett (born abt 1807 Dover, Kent - died 1878 Norfolk)
Parents are unknown
We suspect that IanF (Elizabeth Everett 1807) and myself (Francis William Everett 1865) are both descended from:
William Everett (born 1722 Heytesbury, Wiltshire) and Merium Hill (born 1729 Wiltshire).
The problem is, we have no other DNA matches other than each other, and when you get that far back, it's unlikely that you only have 1 other DNA match. Having said that, this is an area where everyone has got stuck on in their trees.... because it seems to many of the children moved to other parts of the country or emigrated to the US, Canada or Australia.
If we can establish that Maria Everett (1823) is also descended from William Everett (born 1722 Heytesbury, Wiltshire) then we have confirmation both in documentation and by our DNA that the link is correct.
Janie x