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Title: agnes potter wilkinson
Post by: bilboe baggins on Saturday 13 June 20 19:47 BST (UK)
Agnes was born 1895, possible in  portrack lane, stockton on tees her mother Mary may have died giving birth to agnes. Her father was Thomas Wilkinson, and she had one brother Robert H wilkinson just trying to find her as i have no record of her after she was 6 thanks for any help
Title: Re: agnes potter wilkinson
Post by: groom on Saturday 13 June 20 21:50 BST (UK)
Her birth was actually the September quarter 1894.

Agnes Potter S Wilkinson
Registration Year:   1894
Registration Quarter:   Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration district:   Stockton
Volume:   10a
Page:   57

I see she was with an aunt and uncle in 1901, have you found them in 1911 incase she took their name?
Title: Re: agnes potter wilkinson
Post by: groom on Saturday 13 June 20 21:59 BST (UK)
Have you seen her baptism - no father given?

   
Agnes Potter Smiles Wilkinson
Baptism date   04 Dec 1894
Baptism place   Middlesbrough, St Peter
Denomination   Anglican
Father's first name(s)   -
Father's last name   -
Mother's first name(s)   Mary Jane

No mother's maiden name on her birth on the GRO either suggesting she was illegitimate.
Title: Re: agnes potter wilkinson
Post by: suzard on Saturday 13 June 20 22:01 BST (UK)
Baptism Parish register
4 Dec 1894 Middlesborough Yorkshire
Agnes Potter Smiles Wilkinson
daughter of Mary Jane Wilkinson
17 Lower Gosport Street
baptised by John Moorhouse, Vicar

so what was her father's name??

You have Thomas as her father but it looks like Agnes was illegitimate
Could her father or stepfather be Thomas Fletcher??

Suz
Title: Re: agnes potter wilkinson
Post by: CaroleW on Saturday 13 June 20 22:11 BST (UK)
In 1901 both children are living with George & Margaret Newlove as niece & nephew

Robert Henry Wilkinson  b Sept qtr 1889 Stockton - mmn was Dawson
Robert Henry Wilkinson b March qtr 1890 Teesdale - mmn was Linton

George Newlove married Margaret Dawson 1877 so Robert was not Agnes's brother

Thomas Wilkinson married either Mary or Margaret Jane Dawson in 1888

Title: Re: agnes potter wilkinson
Post by: Mabel Bagshawe on Saturday 13 June 20 22:15 BST (UK)
THomas Fletcher married Margaret Wilkinson in 1894, before Agnes was born

Think we're after the Dawsons. The aunt with who Robert & Agnes are living in 1901 has maiden name Dawson
Title: Re: agnes potter wilkinson
Post by: Mabel Bagshawe on Saturday 13 June 20 22:18 BST (UK)
And here they all are in 1891

George Newlove     35
Margaret Newlove    32
Thomas Wilkenson    25
Mary Wilkenson    20
Robert Wilkenson    2
Stephen Dawson    26
James Dawson    18
John Wilmsen    35


Q4 1888  Stockton    10a   94   
BORROW    Tom       
DAWSON    Margaret Jane        
DAWSON    Mary Jane        <<<
LAW    Jane Ann        
WILKINSON    Thomas         <<<
Title: Re: agnes potter wilkinson
Post by: CaroleW on Saturday 13 June 20 22:21 BST (UK)
Thomas Wilkinson aged 30 died Dec qtr 1892 Stockton
Title: Re: agnes potter wilkinson
Post by: suzard on Saturday 13 June 20 22:50 BST (UK)
so it looks like Mary Jane Dawson married Thomas Wilkinson 1888
They had a son Robet Henry Wilkinson 1889
Thomas Wilkinson died 1892
So Mary Jane was a widow
Agnes was b 1894 and would be illegitimate
Robert Henry continues living with his aunt and uncle Newlove after 1901 but Agnes doesnt

Suz
Title: Re: agnes potter wilkinson
Post by: bilboe baggins on Saturday 13 June 20 23:02 BST (UK)
so it looks like Mary Jane Dawson married Thomas Wilkinson 1888
They had a son Robet Henry Wilkinson 1889
Thomas Wilkinson died 1892
So Mary Jane was a widow
Agnes was b 1894 and would be illegitimate
Robert Henry continues living with his aunt and uncle Newlove after 1901 but Agnes doesnt

Suz Hi Suz Thankyou for your effort lot l clearer now

In 1901 both children are living with George & Margaret Newlove as niece & nephew

Robert Henry Wilkinson  b Sept qtr 1889 Stockton - mmn was Dawson
Robert Henry Wilkinson b March qtr 1890 Teesdale - mmn was Linton

George Newlove married Margaret Dawson 1877 so Robert was not Agnes's brother

Thomas Wilkinson married either Mary or Margaret Jane Dawson in 1888 Hi carole mary jane married thomas wilkinson they had Robert H Wilkinson i have Agnes potter s wilkinson as his sister 6 years younger than him however some info just received tells me she was illigitamate i have no info on where mary jane her mother  went poss died in child birth and also thomas disapeared as i have robert H. and agnes living with the newloves but no parents


Baptism Parish register
4 Dec 1894 Middlesborough Yorkshire
Agnes Potter Smiles Wilkinson
daughter of Mary Jane Wilkinson
17 Lower Gosport Street
baptised by John Moorhouse, Vicar

so what was her father's name??

You have Thomas as her father but it looks like Agnes was illegitimate
Could her father or stepfather be Thomas Fletcher??

Suz Hi Suz Agnes had a brother,, my grandfather about 6 years older than her His father and mother were Mary and thomas Wilkinson however there is some confusion around  thomas i am still trying to sort out why do you mention Fletcher ?
Title: Re: agnes potter wilkinson
Post by: suzard on Saturday 13 June 20 23:53 BST (UK)
1891 census
George Newlove 35 Blacksmith Yorks
Margaret wife 32 Middlesborough Yorks
Thomas Wilkinson Boarder M 25 Ironworks lab
Mary Wilkinson Boarder M 20 Middlesboro
Robert Wilkinson boarder 2 Durham
Stephen Dawson Brother in law S 26 Hartlepool
James Boarder 18 Leeds Yorks
at Portrack farm Stockton

it seems Margaret Newlove and Mary Wilkinson were sisters (as both had the maiden name Dawson)and Stephen Dawson their brother

and Robert (henry) Wilkinson was the child of Thomas Wilkinson and Mary Jane Dawson

1901 Robert henry Wilkinson and Agnes Potter Smile(or Smith) Wilkinson were living with their Aunt and Uncle -the Newloves

It seems from baptism and Birth reg Agnes was illegitimate -and so half sister to Robert

1901 it looks like their mother Mary Jane had remarried to Thomas Fletcher (who may or may not be Agnes' father)
Thomas Fletcher Head M 43 Coalminer hewer new Durham
Mary Jane wife 31 Middlesborough Yks
James son 19 coal miner Fatfield Durham
Elizabeth daughter 16 Domestic servant New Herrington Durham
Thomas son 11 New Herrington
Marggie 3 Fence Houses Durham
Stephen son 2 Fence Houses
George son 5mths Fence Houses

all at Chilton Moor Durham
the older children's mother's maiden name was White
younger children mother's maiden name was Dawson

in later census there are more children with mother's maiden name Dawson

so it seems Thomas Fletcher (possibly a widower) married Mary Jane Wilkinson (nee Dawson) and they had more children
Robert Henry Wilkinson stayed with his aunt and uncle but Agnes went to live with Thomas Fletcher and (her mother) Mary Jane -and agnes is listed as daughter

I'll try to look up some references

I'm just roughtly piecing this together

Suz
Title: Re: agnes potter wilkinson
Post by: CaroleW on Sunday 14 June 20 00:12 BST (UK)
Margaret Fletcher b 1897 mmn Dawson
Isabella Fletcher b 1902 mmn Dawson
David & William Fletcher 1904 mmn Dawson.  William died 1905 David died 1906
Ernest Fletcher b 1906 mmn Dawson
Title: Re: agnes potter wilkinson
Post by: suzard on Sunday 14 June 20 00:31 BST (UK)
there is a marriage of Thomas Fletcher (as previously posted) in Mar qtr 1894 to possible Margaret or Mary Wilkinson
Agnes birth was registered Oct/Nov/Dec qtr 1894 and her baptism was 4 Dec

it would be interesting to see the actual date of the marriage and the date of birth of Agnes -
Suz
Title: Re: agnes potter wilkinson
Post by: Annette7 on Sunday 14 June 20 01:30 BST (UK)
In 1911 (per free index) Agnes is with mother Mary Jane and husband Thomas Fletcher. 

As plain Agnes Wilkinson she married a John W. Defty in Dec.qtr.1919 Houghton le Spring R.D.

Her death entry in June qtr.1969 Durham Eastern has her name as Agnes Smiles P. Defty born 15/9/1894.

Annette

Title: Re: agnes potter wilkinson
Post by: Mabel Bagshawe on Sunday 14 June 20 11:59 BST (UK)
A few things aren't quite adding up

what I find odd is that Agnes is a Wilkinson, although born in Sept 1894, after the Fletcher/Wilkinson marriage found in Jan-March 1894

Also - the age of the Thomas Wilkinson death found for 1892 doesn't fit the age on the 1891 census.

The 1894 marriage entry is very definitely for a Margaret Wilkinson - Durham online register shows the spouse has alternative name Margaret Willey. So this is not our marriage (and explains Agnes' surname).

This is an interesting marriage!

Q4 1924  Stockton    10a   179   
Fletcher    Thomas     spouse Wilkinson      
Wilkinson    Mary   spouse  Fletcher


Title: Re: agnes potter wilkinson
Post by: bilboe baggins on Sunday 14 June 20 13:02 BST (UK)
Very interesting now because info  I have received, places Agnes as illegitimate my head is done in now Mabel lol
Title: Re: agnes potter wilkinson
Post by: Millmoor on Sunday 14 June 20 13:06 BST (UK)
You might it of value  to find Agnes Defty in the 1939 register and see who else is in the household. I suspect there is a death for her mother Mary J Fletcher Jan - Mar 1940 in Durham Eastern RD.

The electoral rolls for co. Durham are also of interest. Looking at Newbottle  for 1925 Thomas Fletcher, Mary Jane Fletcher and Stephen Todd Fletcher are all recorded at 6 Sunniside North but in 1926 Mary Jane Fletcher and Stephen Todd Fletcher are living at 2 Gertrude Street. This leads me to suggest that given when information for electoral rolls is collected there is a lilkely death for Thomas Fletcher Jan- Mar 1925 Houghton le Spring RD.

This death would not contradict the marriage found by Mabel Bagshawe in the above post.

William
Title: Re: agnes potter wilkinson
Post by: bilboe baggins on Sunday 14 June 20 15:19 BST (UK)
Thanks William
Title: Re: agnes potter wilkinson
Post by: bilboe baggins on Sunday 14 June 20 15:54 BST (UK)
Thank you to all who have helped with this topic will try do a bit on my own now but really appreciated the help folks its particularly confusing this one as is my grandfather Robert H Wilkinson Agnes brother /half brother he is a total mystery during 1914-18 war  Bb
Title: Re: agnes potter wilkinson
Post by: groom on Sunday 14 June 20 19:56 BST (UK)
Thank you to all who have helped with this topic will try do a bit on my own now but really appreciated the help folks its particularly confusing this one as is my grandfather Robert H Wilkinson Agnes brother /half brother he is a total mystery during 1914-18 war  Bb

Don't forget that over 60% of the records from WW1 were destroyed in September 1940, as the result of a fire caused by an incendiary bomb that fell on the War Office Record Store. So if his was amongst those you may never find out anything about his service. 
Title: Re: agnes potter wilkinson
Post by: bilboe baggins on Sunday 14 June 20 20:07 BST (UK)
Thanks for info