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I have access to the Lancashire 1851 Census but only have the Surname Index for the LIVERPOOL area.
Please post any requests in the following
Lancashire CENSUS and RESOURCE Lookup Requests
Lybis
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HI Lybis:
I was wondering if you could do a look up for me. I have the marriage certificate of my 2xgrgrandparents. I am trying to find the family of my 2xgrgrandmother. The information I have is as follows
Father's name is George Parkinson and he was a butcher. I know Ruth Parkinson was born in Liverpool. Could you look to see if there is any George Parkinson's listed.
Thank you very much
Regards
Anne
Canada
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Hello Anne
I have found the following George Parkinson Butcher aged 34 with family.
2189/1 42
George Parkinson 34 Butcher Liverpool
Ellen Parkinson 43 - Liverpool
James Parkinson 14 - Liverpool
Mary Parkinson 10 - Liverpool
Jane Parkinson 8 - Liverpool
George Parkinson 6 Lancs Everton
Would you be able to give me some more information. Was Ruth the wife or daughter of George Parkinson and what ages would they have been at 1851.
There isn't a Ruth Parkinson listed in the 1851 Surname Index. Iwill wait to hear more from you.
Lybis
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Hi Lybis:
Thank you for the information and the fast reply. Ruth Parkinson is the daughter of George Parkinkson (Butcher).
All I knew about Ruth Parkinson is as follows:
Born Liverpool ca. 1826-1827 according to the census information.
Ruth was married in Manchester in 1845 but the first two children were born in Liverpool according to census information. In the years 1846 and 1849.
Ruth was living in Manchester in the 1851 census.
I knew this is not a lot but this is all I have so far.
I will start working on the information you sent as there is a good chance it could be the right George Parkinson .
Thanks again
Regards
Anne
Regards
Anne
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Hello Anne
Afraid I can't help you with Manchester unless I have street names, no name index.
Let me know how you go with George Parkinson Butcher, and if you need any more help in that field.
Best wishes
Lybis
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Hi Lybis:
Thanks for the offer, I will let you know how I make out.
Thanks again
Anne
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Hi Lybis:
Thank you for this kind offer.
I am looking for Thomas Felton and wife Ann in Fazakerley.
Thomas was born c 1815 in Fazakerley. Ann born c 1820 Liverpool.
Their daughter Ann born 1842 Fazakerley.
son Charles born 1848 Fazakerley.
daughter Jane born 1851 Aughton.
I am hoping that they were still living in Fazakerley on the day of the 1851 census.
In the 1861 census Thomas was shown as a gardener
Many thanks
dinkey
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Hello Dinkey
Afraid I couldn't find a Thomas and Ann Felton as a family. There was, however, a Thomas Felton, Gardener, and on looking at the image it looked interesting. He could be a relative or even your Thomas's father ?? Maybe this Charles is Thomas's brother.
HO107/2179/1 Page 216
70 Johnson Street, Liverpool
Charles Felton Head Mar. 38 Boot maker born Bolton, Lancs
Ann Felton Wife 36 born Scotland
Charles Felton son 11 Scholar born Liverpool
Alice Felton dau. 5 Scholar born Liverpool
James Felton son 2 born Liverpool
Thomas Felton Father Widower 65 Gardener b.Crosby Lancs
Michael Grogan Lodger Mar. 50 Labourer b. Ireland
Ann Grogan Wife Mar. 46 Housekeeper b. Ireland.
Best of luck
Lybis
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Hi Lybis,
l was wondering if you could find any family with the surname Fulford. My grandmother was born in abt 1890 she was Lilian Fulford. All l have is my grandparents death certs. Lilian married a John Graham but l have been unable to find their marriage so l could get my ggrandparents names, l am hoping if l could find any Fulford's that it will enlighten me. Another spelling could be Fullford.
many thanks
Jean
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Hi Lybis,
Thank you for finding this Felton family. I agree it does look interesting with the occupation as gardener & naming patterns. Certainly worth investigating further.
Many thanks
dinkey
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Hello Jean
There are only two Fulfords in the Liverpool surname index as follows:
Fulford Elizabeth 52 - b. War. Knowle 1052A 2192/6
Fulford John 50 Master Joiner Emp. 6 men b. War. Rowington.1052A 2192/6
No Fullfords at all nor any other possible spelling. Sorry.
Kind regards
Lybis
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Hello,
Information I have is as follows; Henry French married Mary Ann Blackburn 1831 Eccles, Lancashire. I am looking to see if there were any family living with them in the 1851 Census.
Most grateful for your offer.
Kind regards,
Pam.....Sydney
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Hi Lybis,
Many thanks for looking up Fulford, very much appreciated.
kind regards,
Jean
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Hello Pam
I'm sorry I don't have a name index for the whole of Lancashire, only for the Liverpool area. I can only search the rest by street name.
Lybis
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Thank you Lybis, I appreciate the help.
Pam....Sydney :)
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Hy Lybis
Thanks very much for your offer. I am trying to find William Woodward and family in the Manchester 1851 census. His address in December 1849 was Union Street, Ardwick on his marriage certificate and his wife at 21 Chancery Lane, Ardwick,although they were married at Cathedral & Parish Church, Manchester.
Regards
Kadear
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Hello Kadear
I'm sorry but I cannot find either of those street names in the Manchester Street Index. It does state that a part is missing due to the bad condition of the originals.
I don't have a Surname index for Manchester, only for Liverpool, so haven't been able to help.
Best wishes
Lybis
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Hi Lybis
Thanks anyway for trying.
Regards
Kadear
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Hi Lybis
Please will you try to trace Thomas Bolton Howard and any family on the 1851 Liverpool census. Thomas would be aged about 28 and was born Ince Blundell.
Many thanks in advance
Rosemarie.
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Hello Rosemarie
I have had another look for your Thomas Bolton Howard. I'm afraid there are quite a few Thomas Howards but none that fit your description. Are you sure he was born in Ince Blundell, there were none born in that area at all.
I couldn't find a William to match either. One way would be to send you all the Thomas Howards and William Howards in the index and see if you can pick one or two out that seem possibilities and I could go into the images and check. The only problem is that there are many without ages, just occupations and where born.
I would have to send it to you directly, so have a think about it and let me know.
Kind regards
Lybis
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Hi
Would appreciate your help with a look up in Liverpool.
Richard Boardman and wife Martha Boardman son Richard Thomas Boardman b 1830 (21yrs)
Not much to go on but its worth a try I guess.
True
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Hi Lybis,
Many thanks for your offer.
I am trying to find the family of James NORRIS, born in Bolton in 1849-50. His father may be named Thomas, and he may have a sister Mary; is this too vague to be feasible? Family are likely to be involved in mining or weaving (or both).
Many thanks for any help.
Best wishes,
Roz
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Hello Lybis, I'd love it if you could unearth any information in regards to my GGGrandFather Robert Beesley who was born in Widnes in 1831 and became a watch movement maker. He married a woman called Ann who appears to have been born around 1837 in Tarbock Lancashire.
Thank you.
Sean Beesley
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Hi Lybis...would you be able to see if you have a Thomas McNab ( B. approx 1840 Scotland) or Robert McNab ( father b. Scotland) in the census for the Liverpool area.
Thanking you
Andrea
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Thanks Lybis
Big help in putting the pieces together. There appears to be a few Beesley families all in the profession of Watch Making and living in Lancashire around the Prescot area. This family group is directly related to me; and contains new information. Thank you once more.
Sean
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Could you please look up Edward Attwood LLOYD who was born at Holyhead, Wales about 1818 and lived at 4 yates Drive, Toxteth Lancashire in the 1881 Census. I'm trying to establish when he moved from Wales., also the name of his wife who may be Patience or Margaret. may have also had a son also Edward by this time.
Many thanks,
Marie in Sydney
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Lloyd family,1861, 4 Yates Street, Toxteth
Edwd Atwood Lloyd,44,Shipwright,B Holyhead
Patience,44,B Holywell
Ann Amelia,12,Scholar,B LIverpool
Edwd Atwood,10,Sholar,B Liverpool
John,9,Scholar,B Liverpool
William,7,Scholar,B Liverpool
James,5,Scholar,B Liverpool
Alfred,3,B Liverpool.
Cheers
Marie.
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Hi Marie in Sydney
Here is your Lloyd family in 1851:
20 St John PLace, Court 6, Toxteth Park
Edward Atwood,33,Shipwright, B Holyhead
Patience,33,Dreassmaker,B Holywell
Robert,8SCholar,B Liverpool
Ann,2,B Liverpool
Edward Atwood,6mo,B Liverpool
Robert had a second name which I can't read clearly, Looks as tghough first letter is B - may be Beevin, Bevin.
Cheers
Marie in Worcestershire.
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Hi Marie in Worcestersire,
Many thanks for your quick response. It is much appreciated.
Isn't technology wonderful!!
Marie in Sydney
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Yes, I think that when I have video chats with my grandchildren in Melbourne.
Is there anything more you want for your Lloyds?
Marie.
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Thanks for the offer.
Are they on the 1891 census ? By 1901 Edward is in the workhouse in Toxteth Park so margaret must have died.
In appreciation,
Marie
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Hi Marie
Here is Edward in 1891 at 289 Beaufort Street, Toxteth with 'extended family':
Owen P Thomas, Head, Widower, 36, Licensed Mashing Machine Hooper, Born Toxteth
Thomas P Thomas, Son, 8, Born Toxteth
John P Thomas, Son, 5, Born Toxteth
Miriam P Thomas, Daughter, 2, Born Toxteth
Frances P THomas, Daughter, 4 mths, Born Toxteth
Miriam P Thomas, Mother, Widow, 61, Living on own means, Born Holywell
Edward A Lloyd, Uncle, Widower, 74, Shipwright, Born Holywell!
Anne Tattersall, Visitor, Widow, 60 Dressmaker, Born Liverpool
Frances Ellen Byram, Adopted daughter, 16, Dressmaker, Born Liverpool
Best wishes
Marie.
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Thanks for this. Funny, that having had 7 kids he is living with his wife's sister's son and ended up in 1901 in the Toxteth Workhouse!
Actually, someone else sent me a very abbreviated version of this census but they though Owen's occupation was Licenced weighing? machine keeper. Guess the original must be pretty hard to read!!
Once again, thanks for your effort. It is much appreciated.
Marie
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Hi
I couldn't understand why a hooper/cooper of any description may need to be licensed and intended to check 1901 before I sent my reply yesterday but I was interrupted and forgot! Today I've checked 1901 and see that Owen's occ is indeed 'Weighing Machine Keeper'
I was quite shocked to find that one 'couple' of my gggrandparents had died in the Whiston/Prescot Workhouse about 1900. They lived with my great-grandmother (who was their only surviving child) and great-grandfather until ggg could no longer work when they were sent to the workhouse.
Marie
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Hi
I am wondering if you could look up
John Macauley/Mcauley/Mccauley please.
I think he may have been born 24 SEP 1843 Saint Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England but I have nothing to verify this. So I guess that he may be about 7-8 yo at the time of the 1851 census. He married and had a son (1865) and died (1868) in the 1860's so I am reasonably sure that he would have been in Liverpool for this census.
I am also trying to find out about Charles Parkinson
who is said to be born in Liverpool circa 1841-44 according to the 1871 and 1881 Censuses. So I am guessing that by 1851 Census he would also be about 6-10.
I believe one of Charles' sisters married John Macauley/Mccauley/Mcauley. John's son John James Macaley (typo in the 1871 Census) was living with Charles and Louisa Parkinson at 60 Presston Lane Farnworth St Catherine.
Any help with this would be very gratefully received!
regards
tanya
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Hi Tanya
I'm afraid the only possibility I've found for John Mac* is John McAlley, but he's aged aged 11 in 1851. His parents are Peter and Catherine, both born Ireland, with siblings Patrick aged 3, and Catherine aged 1 week. All three children were born in Liverpool. You mentioned the1871 census but not 1861 - do you have any positive info on him or his family which would help?
There are rather more possibilities for John Parkinson - do you have any further details for him to help narrow the search?
Marie.
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Hi Marie
I have a huge lack of information as men from my maternal grandfather's line dont appear to have had many children nor lived very long.
John James Mc Cauley (JR) (named after paternal father and maternal grandfather)
born Oswaldtwistle 8 Jan 1890
(only child)
at birth address - 10 Swainson Street Oswaldtwistle
to John James Mc Cauley (SNR) and Mary Bradshaw
John James Mc Cauley (SNR)
born 1866-67 Liverpool from age on marriage certificate
(only child?)
aged 5 - 1871 Census lived at Farnworth with Charles and Louisa Parkinson - listed as NEPHEW
aged 15 - 1881 Census lived 28 Garden St Oswaldtwistle as border
married Oswaldtwistle 15 June 1889
at St Pauls Parish Church (C or E) aged 22
he lived at 13 Wosley street at marriage time
father John Macauley deceased at time of marriage
aged 25 - 1891 Census -10 Swainson Street Oswaldtwistle with Wife Mary Bradshaw and son John James Jnr
aged 35 - 1901 Census - not living with wife at the time
died Jan-March 1905 Haslingden
John Macauley
born 1833? Liverpool
married before or in 1866?
died Jan-March 1868 aged 35 Liverpool (8b p228).
Interestingly I have a bet with my mum that they are from Ireland and not Scotland!
Charles and Louisa Parkinson
born 1844 Liverpool
marriage unknown
1871 Census living at 60 Presston Lane Farnworth St Catherine
no children listed
1881 Census living at 22 Cochrane St Everton
no children listed
perhaps John James is a Nephew from Louisa Parkinson's side. She was born 1852 in ireland
Many thanks for looking!
Tanya
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Hi Tanya
Unless I'm missing something here your original post said John Macauley, B C1843, Liverpool and aged 8 -10 in 1851 but your more detailed response seems to say he was born 1833?. Which is likely to be most accurate?
There's a song and although I'm not sure what it's called it goes 'There's a little bit of Irish in all of us' and I'm sure it's true. I was born and grew up in Lancashire (in a bit that's now Cheshire!) and although my maternal grandmother died before I was born I always assumed her family was local but of Irish descent. However, when I started researching my family a few years ago I was surprised to find that she had indeed been born in Lancashire but to Scottish parents. Some of her siblings were born in Lancashire but some in Scotland before the family moved. And I'd always wondered why my father put salt on his porridge! I was able to trace the family to Scotland (largely through the children born there) and so I went from being about 75% Irish/25% English to 50% Irish/25%/English and 25% Scottish.
My family name is Connolly (which can be spelled in almost as many different ways as Macauley) and I spent a very long time finding them on the 1891 census as HUNLEY!
Marie.
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Hi Tanya
Prepare to be amazed! I'm no nearer solving the conundrum of John MacCauley but I've sorted Louisa Parkinson, or at least I think I have. And, what's more the 1891 shows she was born in Antrim and not just Ireland so that may help if you think she may be connected to the MacCauley family. I've never found any lead to my Irish connections because on the censuses the only place of birth given is usually just Ireland.
First of all, Charles Parkinson married Louisa Harris, Dec Quarter 1868, West Derby. Wasn't sure about this until I came across Louisa on the 1891 Census below.
1851 Census - Charles was living in Scotland Road with his mother, Sarah,Widow, 35, Seamstress, Born Liverpool, and sister, Martha, aged 5 and also born Liverpool.
1861 Census - unable to trace Louisa but Charles, 19, was working as a commercial clerk and living with his mother, Sarah, a widow aged 44 whose occupation was dressmaker. Sarah was born in Liverpoool. No sign of Martha with family and the only one possibility I could find was Martha Parkinson, aged 14 who was a Scholar at the Blue Coat School, Liverpool.
1871 Census
Charles and Louisa were living at 60 Prenton Lane, St Catherines, Tranmere, Cheshire and not Lancashire as you believed.
Charles Parkinson, 29, Commercial Clerk, Born LIverpool
Louisa Harris, 20, Born Ireland
John Macauley,Nephew, 5, Born Liverpool
Elizabeth Haran, Visitor, 30, Married, Born Liverpool
Elizabeth Anne Haran, 1, Born Liverpool
(Included the visitors in case the surname had any relevance for you)
1881 Census details you have are correct.
1891 Census
York Villa, Fort Street, Liscard, Wallasey
Charles Parkinson, 47, Mercantile Clerk, Born LIverpool
Louisa Parkinson, 37, Born Antrim, Ireland
John Harris, Nephew, 18, Mercantile Clerk, Born Liverpool
Joseph Harris, Nephew, 16, Mercantile Clerk, Born Liverpool
(Nephews' surname seems to confirm that Louisa'a surname was Harris)
1901 Census
Charles, 58, and Louisa, 48, were still living in Fort Street, Wallasey and Charles was still occupied as a commercial clerk.
Hope this helps - if I find anything else that seems relevant I'll get back to you.
Good luck
Marie.
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Oh Marie!
What fabulous information!
I suppose I can either guess that John Macauley (the missing father) married either a Parkinson or Harris for his son to be classified as NEPHEW.
This is somewhere to look!
As for John Macauley I really dont know about a birth year. Initially I had found someone with that name born in 1843 in Liverpool but if the death of someone else also of the name is around 1868 in that time probably fits better. This is why I havent purchased a birth certificate for John James SNR as I am just not sure!
Hunley instead of Connelly.... now that is a stretch! ha
Many many thanks!!
Tanya
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Hi again Marie
In 1881
William A Harris(37 Dublin)
Elizabeth Harris (46 Liverpool)
Elizabeth A (11 Liverpool)
Charles (9 Liverpool)
Maria (7 Liverpool)
and stepson Peter Woodward (17 Liverpool)
were living at 4 Spurgeon St Everton.
at the same time
Charles Parkinson (37 Liverpool)
Louisa (29 Ireland)
were living at 22 Cochrane St Everton.
If Louisa (29) and William (37) are brother and sister, how would I go about looking at shipping records given that they probably arrived in Liverpool after the 1861 Census but before the December quarter of 1868 (louisa's marriage in West Derby)?
Is Dublin in Antrim?
and is West Derby near the port of Liverpool?
Cheers
Tanya ;)
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Hi Tanya
I was in the middle of typing a reply and juggling between screens when I had a message from Roootschat 'slapping my wrist' for not acknowledging copyright of census material. I dealt with that and somehow lost my reply and have had to start again, so here goes.
The only link between William Harris and Louisa seems to be that they're both from Ireland but Antrim is in the north East of the island of Ireland and some way from Dublin. I've never come across any info on passengers sailing to and fro in the 19C when the whole of Ireland was still part of GB. It's something I've wondered about because many branches of my family lead back to Ireland. West Derby has been part of Liverpool for a very long time but in the 19C it was a separate Registration District.
I searched to see if I could find John and Joseph Harris in 1881 but the only ones I could find, were John, 8 and Joseph, 6 in the Boys' and Girls' Infant Orphanage Asylum in Myrtle Street and both were born in Liverpool. It's possible they were Louisa'a brothers, born after the family came to Liverpool but a request on the Lancashire board may provide information about records for this establishment and its inmates.
Hope I've got the dates right and if I have any further inspiration which may help I'll get back in touch. Let me know if there's anything else you think I can help with.
Regards
Marie.
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Hi Tanya
I worried away at the problem of John Mac* and in the end went back to the Oswaldtwistle census because that appreared to be the only concrete evidence of him before he married.
I wondered why the four young boarders, all employed as coal miners, were all in Oswaldtwistle together in 1881 and so I went back to the previous census where I found four boys all with the same names among the scholars/inmates of the Liverpool Industrial school at Kirkdale, Liverpool.
John Mac* in the Oswaldtwistle Household was actually shown as Maculey, aged 13 and not 15 as in the transcription you will have seen, and in Liverpool ten years earlier he was shown as John McCauley, aged 4, place of birth unknown.
I'm afraid it's beginning to look very much as though you may never trace John's parents and I wondered why you thought the boy living with Louisa was the John you were looking for.
Let me know what you think
Marie.
PS
I feel really disappointed for you if this is correct. I had a similar problem with my grandfather who was illegitimate. I think I'd always known at the back of my mind that he was illegitimate because of things my mother said but I always thought we'd find out who he was because I'm certain my mother knew but so many secrets have gone to the grave. I thought I had the correct BC but I knew right away that his father's details on his MC were a fiction and then I started to doubt I had the correct BC. I felt almost as though I'd been orphaned but I can't understand why I felt so badly about it when I had to give up the search!
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Look-up please...being in the US it is very hard to gather any information...if you could please look up these names and see if you can find them living in the area I would appreciate it very much.
Thank you.
Cathy Lee
I am searching for my ggg grandfather Edward Hilton and his brother Joseph Hilton who migrated to US in 1868.
Joseph Hilton born in 1842
Edward Hilton born in 1847
I am also trying to find my ggg grandparents who came to US in 1868
William Foster b. 1838
Mary M. Foster b. 1840
George Walden b. 1811
Elizabeth Walden b. 1812
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Hi Cathy
I've assumed, as you sent your message via the Lancashire board, that the six people listed are all from Lancashire. I've had a look through 1851/61 in Lancashire for a combination of brothers Joseph/Edward Hilton (with +/- two years on year of birth given for Joseph) but without any success.
I've searched for William/Mary Foster in 1861 but again no joy - any idea where/when they married?
George and Elizabeth Walden are similarly elusive - I searched on +/- five years of 1811 because Walden is quite an unusual name, or it was back then, and there were only 6/12 right across England for the 1841 to 1861 censuses and none at all living/born in Lancashire.
Have you any idea where any of your GGGs were born or where they may be living in 1861? I'm happy to have another stab at this if you can provide any more detail.
Best wishes
Marie.
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Rosemarie,
I was always told that the family was from the Liverpool area...at least that is the way the "legend" went... that is the only information I have in regards to a specific area...but of course that could have been since that was where the ship left from...and my parents thought that is where their relatives were from...I really don't know...is there a central census for all of England or does one have to look up district by district?
Thanks for all your help.
Cathy Lee
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Hi Cathy
Yes it's possible to search right across England and Wales on each census which was why I did that for Walden as it is quite an unusual name. On the subject of the Waldens, they were apparently in their fifties when they emigrated and presumably had children or they wouldn't have been your gggs. The children would have been born before they emigrated - do you know names or ages of any of their children?
There were 24 Joseph Hiltons across the country in 1861 whose year of birth was +/- 2 years 1842 and a similar number of William Fosters in his respective age range which does make it difficult to identify the correct families without knowing from whence they hailed. Most of the Joseph Hiltons were in Lancashire with a handful from other counties but none from Liverpool.
I think the main ports for emigration to the US were London and Liverpool so the port of embarkation wouldn't have been too significant. There was some from Scotland and Ireland but I think most Irish emigrants travelled to Liverpool and sailed form there and presumably the Scots did too. I've had no cause to investigate the shipping records but if we don't have any success here you may get further with shipping records as you have the year of emigration.
Sorry I've been unable to turn up anything so far but they're all there somewhere.
Marie.
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Marie,
The Walden's were the parents I believe of Mary M. Foster (b.1840) the wife of William...they(the Walden's) did not come over to the states until after their daughter was here...Mary and William and several of the children i.e. their first chiod a girl Thirza b. 1861 in England, their first son, Joseph b. in England they migrated in 1868 and they are on the New Jersey 1870 census...The Walden's don't show up until 1880 and at that time they are living with the Foster's!!! It states on the census that everyone was born in England!
Hilton Family
In regards to Joseph and Edward Hilton...I believe they arrived in New York City in March of 1868...but I have not been able to find the ship they came on as of yet>
Any help or direction I would greatly appreciate it.
Thank you.
Cathy
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Hi Cathy
I was going to email the info on all eight of the George Waldens I found on the 1861 census but I'll have another look in light of the additional info before I do that. None had a wife named Elizabeth though.
Have had another look at the Hiltons in 1851 because Joseph and Edward would have been quite young then and still at home. I did a search right across the country again and as I said most were in Lancashire anyway and the nearest I could come up with was Joseph T(?) aged 8, so born 1842/3, and Edmund aged 5, so born 1845/6. They were born and lived in Rochdale. The problem with looking at the 1861 census is that they would be old enough to work and poss no longer living at home. Is Edmund a possibility?
Marie.