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My 9 yr old Grandson...................... (is beautiful :) :) )
Had been going back to school as per being advised -- as his Mom is a 'key' worker...
However his 'bubble has burst' and now they have closed his class down..
One child in the group has symptoms..
Please Please can someone tell me what the heck they are playing at..
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xin
I didnt want him to go back at all .. but who am I :(
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Unfortunately many people are not keeping to the social distancing rules etc - we have seen prime examples in the news of beaches, demonstrations and just Monday gone - the opening of a trainer shop with a crowd surge like the New Year sales.
It is inevitable there are new cases (around 1,200 currently) now that people are travelling to and from other countries and other areas of this country to beaches etc. Face mask use can be enforced on buses as passengers are visible to the driver - but what about trains?
Public toilets remain shut - so how did all those crowds on the beaches relieve themselves??
My local garden centre (which is a national chain) has never applied any restrictions since reopening and when criticised said "people are sensible" !!
Sorry - but I feel we are in for a second wave as easements are too much & too soon and are being abused
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Public toilets remain shut - so how did all those crowds on the beaches relieve themselves??
Seriously, You don't want to Know!
But if you do, just look at the reports of all the litter picked up after all those people hit the beaches and the complaints from people living near the beaches.
I agree easement too much too soon. Not enough time in between each phase to assess what effect it had. It was ridiculous to allow people in England to travel as far as they wanted. Inevitable they would flock to beaches or set fire to beauty spots and SSSIs with their portable barbecues. In some cases they were three or four hours journey from home. Boris should have advised to stay local. Those people who have a beach or beauty spot close by are the winners but there's always winners and losers.
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As ever, the burning question is: when is too soon? At some point, we have to take those baby steps or we'll be locked down forever and a day.
I'd hoped we'd get a good Trace and Test system going before we let everyone loose but I think its now too late and we have to trust people to take responsibility for themselves. Its funny - I've just been on one of my (now) infrequent trips to the local shops. There were more people there and around than there usually is on a normal pre covid work day but everyone of them had a ready smile and observed the 'swerve' as I've come to call it, as people approach you and then swerve away. It could catch on as the latest dance craze - do the Swerve!
My theory is that people seem to be polite and do the swerve when on their 'home turf' but, put them in a 'holiday' habitat like the beach and they just go mad. I suspect that's also why its not well observed in big cities - as there's little time for normal niceties like a smile or a hearty 'good morning'.
Having done half an hour's swerve this morning and more gardening this afternoon, I'm now rewarding myself with a can of Scrumpy Jack.
Swerve over for the day. let drinking begin!! :P ;D
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Those people who have a beach or beauty spot close by are the winners but there's always winners and losers.
Unfortunately it's the permanent residents of those areas that could be the losers if the virus is brought in by a day tripper living many miles away. Blackpool was declared to be the 9th worst place for the virus but it didn't deter the idiots from out of town who flocked to the beaches.
Given the current risks and death toll etc I have to wonder at the mentality of people who are prepared to drive for several hours to another town just to lie on the beach for a few hours. Particularly knowing that there are no public toilets open.
I watched one person being interviewed who had travelled over 50 miles to Blackpool and when asked why - he shrugged and said they were "bored"
I'll take boredom over possible death any day!!
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Just about sums it up, doesn't it? Bored?
I don't understand how anyone can be bored. These are the people who - in normal times - will drive to Ikea at a weekend (other stores are available) and queue for hours rather than stay home and actually DO something during the 48 hours they have away from earning a crust.
I blame our education system - have done for years, so don't let me get started on that. Where are their imaginations; thirst for knowledge etc? Killed at school!!
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I'd hoped we'd get a good Trace and Test system going before we let everyone loose but I think its now too late and we have to trust people to take responsibility for themselves.
I'ts a "world beating" system - Boris said so. And some other politician said the App (which was supposed once to be the key part of it) is no just the cherry (or maybe icing) on the top.
I have only seen figures so far for the 28 May - 3rd June (7 days).
The contract tracers had 8,000 who had tested positive in that period to track / trace.
Of those people, 5407 gave details of their close contacts, 2710 did not - either because they could not be contacted or they declined to give contact details. That's about one third of the initial set of people whose contacts may be unaware that they have been in contact with a positive case.
The remaining 5407 people (between them) provided a list of over 31,000 people. That's an average of 5.7 contacts per infected person. I did hear that the definition of close contact in this context was someone that they had been less than 2 metres from for 15 minutes or more. That should be only members of their households if they are following social distancing rules - so why so many contacts? If the 2,710 people who did not provide details of their contacts, had a similar number of contacts per head, that would generate about 15,500 more "close contacts"
Of those 31,000 plus "close contacts", 26,985 were contacted and asked to self isolate. So 4,000 plus people could not be contacted for some reason. Added to the 15,500 from above gives about 16,000 people who are unaware they have been in close contact with a positive case.
If the infected person knows the identity of their close contacts, surely they would tell them of the possibility of infection straight away, rather than just pass the information to the professional contact tracers and let them relay the message. And if they knew they had been in close contact with several people in a crowded train or tube for example but didn't know them from Adam or Eve, then there is nothing they or a contact tracer could do about it.
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Those people who have a beach or beauty spot close by are the winners but there's always winners and losers.
Unfortunately it's the permanent residents of those areas that could be the losers if the virus is brought in by a day tripper living many miles away. Blackpool was declared to be the 9th worst place for the virus but it didn't deter the idiots from out of town who flocked to the beaches.
Given the current risks and death toll etc I have to wonder at the mentality of people who are prepared to drive for several hours to another town just to lie on the beach for a few hours. Particularly knowing that there are no public toilets open.
I watched one person being interviewed who had travelled over 50 miles to Blackpool and when asked why - he shrugged and said they were "bored"
I'll take boredom over possible death any day!!
Sadly yes, the local residents could be the losers with the current free for all. I meant they would be winners if people had to stay local.
I spent my childhood / teens near one of those beaches which was featured heavily on the news a couple of weeks ago. The one where you couldn't see the seaweed infested shingle for half naked bodies. Some of the people interviewed after the incident said they had come from London - that must have taken them a good three hours.
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My 9 yr old Grandson...................... (is beautiful :) :) )
Had been going back to school as per being advised -- as his Mom is a 'key' worker...
However his 'bubble has burst' and now they have closed his class down..
One child in the group has symptoms..
Please Please can someone tell me what the heck they are playing at..
:-X :-X :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
xin
I didnt want him to go back at all .. but who am I :(
Has the child been confirmed as having the virus?
It is perhaps just a precaution - hopefully it is.
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Those people who have a beach or beauty spot close by are the winners but there's always winners and losers.
Unfortunately it's the permanent residents of those areas that could be the losers if the virus is brought in by a day tripper living many miles away.
Couldn't agree more, I live a few minutes' drive from our local beaches but while it was hot I didn't dare go down there because of the throngs of people coming down. Many of those would have been from a nearby town that's been a hotspot. The toilets were closed at the time (opened since) and there were many people behaving in other ways they shouldn't, as well as leaving litter for other people to pick up. Respect seems to be an old fashioned concept with some of them.
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To me - the incubation period of this virus has always been the major worry factor. A socially active person showing no apparent symptoms themselves can infect so many people before they are taken ill.
It will be quite a while before I go out without my various sanitising sprays
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The most surprising thing to me has been the fact that our small corner shop in this satellite village has been allowed to stay open all through this pandemic. When questioned why, the answer was; because it's classed as a "supermarket". I haven't heard of anyone having the virus in this vicinity, although in our parliamentary ward, I see we have 157 cases.
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We have a small papershop that also sells a limited range of food and household items. They have remained open but only allow 2 people in at a time. Our local Bargain Booze is the same but also has a one counter mini post office and restriction has been 3 people
As long as your small shop has restricted the number of customers allowed at any one time and are selling food they are classed as an essential service
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xin you must be terribly worried about your grandson and I do hope he and his classmates will be virus free.
In my opinion schools have gone back far too soon.
I live in Scotland and we are coming out of lockdown differently from the rest of the UK as you will all probably know already. Our schools will not reopen until the 11th August.
Today in the Scottish Parliament our First Minister was given a hard time by the leader of the Scottish Conservatives -Jackson Carlow- as the plan is to have social distancing, limited class numbers and pupils not in school every day to begin with (brief outline of the plan). He went on about children having a fundamental right to education and the plan was not good enough and they should all be going back to school full time in August. Whilst I agree that education is important so is the life of a child. Education can be caught up with at some point but a live lost can never be replaced.
Sorry for my rant but that stupid attitude really wound me up.
Take care everyone,
Dorrie
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Yes -- I am and his brothers at home... my daughter and I have .......... disagreed over this situation... so the news is going to my OH not me..
:( oh dear ......
we will have to just wait and see
xin
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xin, I hope you and all are well.
The virus numbers were only suppressed by the efforts of the British public during UK Lockdown, to stop it going madly out of control.
There will likely be local Public Health closures responding to local outbreaks for months yet.
The CMO said this last week
8 days ago - The UK is nowhere near the end of the coronavirus epidemic despite cases continuing to fall, the Chief Medical Officer has said. Professor Chris Whitty issued the warning during the daily COVID-19 press briefings ...
Admissions to one Hospital suddenly went up 20 in one day (BBC Midlands Today 17th June 2020) to 50. https://m.facebook.com/MidlandsBBC/videos/620953491962501/
Mark
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Xin we all worry about our families during this horrible time. It makes it even more difficult when they do not agree on the situation. I am lucky as we are all singing from the same hymn sheet. Our family have agreed that we will take the easing of lockdown slowly irrespective of what the guidelines are.
Here in Scotland there will be an update at 12.30 today from our First Minister regarding this. Going into Phase 2 so will see what that brings.
Caution is the word as far as we are concerned. If we rush things too quickly it will only bring about a spike in the spreading of the virus as Bushinn1746 has pointed out.
Take care and chin up.
Dorrie
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Thank you xxx and bless you all and I hope that you and all the wonderful Roots chatters keep well xxx
We Mr D and me are as well as poss. in this time of so much stress and worry.....
so thank you for your thoughts and comments.
It is a scary scary time xxxx
Xin
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I agree with carole w about the non symptomatic and spreading but I think that is problem, people either don't care or may be have problems believing it.
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What I am finding particularly worrying is the number of young people who are subscribing to various conspiracy theories, one of which is that the virus doesn't exist, that the hospitals are all empty, and that we are being kept at home for some reason (they are not specific about that reason but it usually involves Bill Gates and vaccines). When you ask them why the government would cook up a dastardly plot to shut us in our homes, condemning us to watching hours of Prime and Netflix movies, and counting the days until the next supermarket delivery, they don't seem to be able to answer.
I agree with those of you who say it's too early to send children back to school. If I had school-age children now, if I could possibly keep them at home, I would.
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fascinating about the Conspiracy theories... as some are actually believed........................!!!
I was reading one the other day --- and could not take in the gullabillity of some people .. but its spreading all over...
some people actually seriously still believe the world is flat... now theres a thing... :) :) ( an attempt at lightening my post a little)
xin
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I either go to the wrong places (at the moment home, Tesco click and collect, local park or local walk) or meet the wrong people - as above plus family in zoom or Facebook, but I have never met anyone who thinks it’s all a conspiracy.
Neither have I read about it - hang on - I saw Jeremy Corbyn’s brother (certainly not young) and I think he was protesting against the lockdown.
I am glad to say that so far people seem to be trying to stick to the rules/guidance.
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Unfortunately many people are not keeping to the social distancing rules etc - we have seen prime examples in the news of beaches, demonstrations and just Monday gone - the opening of a trainer shop with a crowd surge like the New Year sales.
I agree with carole w about the non symptomatic and spreading but I think that is problem, people either don't care or may be have problems believing it.
Covid-19
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/slides-and-datasets-to-accompany-coronavirus-press-conference-18-june-2020
1218 actually Tested Positive 18th June 2020 (this obviously does not include people who are Positive and not took a Test).
Currently 4,500 Estimated new Positive cases on a Daily basis.
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I couldn't believe that scrum outside the shop on Monday!
Mark
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The demonstrations in both the USA & here were prime examples of not just peoples idiocy for their own health but their total disregard for the health of others they may subsequently infect. The sheer volume of people was incredible and made social distancing impossible.
Yes - Black Lives Matter - but so do everybody else’s irrespective of their ethnicity
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Up on yesterday - only 1115 cases, that's a 9.2% rise. If that % rate continued for a week, we're back over 2000
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The demonstrations in both the USA & here were prime examples of not just peoples idiocy for their own health but their total disregard for the health of others they may subsequently infect. The sheer volume of people was incredible and made social distancing impossible.
Yes - Black Lives Matter - but so do everybody else’s irrespective of their ethnicity
The demonstrations took place in many other countries in Europe also Australia and more.
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I work in a large secondary school of @1800 pupils on a normal day. Our year 10s returned on Monday. We had roughly 90-100 each of the last 4 days. We also have a group of key worker students in a bubble. This has been my first full week back and I've been with the bubble group. So far so good but keeping them apart is like juggling jelly you have to keep repeating.
I was nervous as I'm mildly asthmatic and now have also been added to the watch list. Being backup for the bubble group is considered safe and I am distanced from them. So far I've felt ok and comfortable. I cannot imagine even in September we will be as normal used to be as our school could not cope due to our dates buildings.
My 16 year old lost all his exams and he became a little insular. He has for the last week been biking everyday and he's now feeling better. He's unsure about 6th form and what will happen.
No students tomorrow cleaners in to deep clean year 12 on Monday for 4 days. Baby steps.
Tazzie