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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Denbighshire => Topic started by: eveabrick on Wednesday 17 June 20 12:54 BST (UK)
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Looking for Francis William Ruddle Born 1868 LLanrwst Denbigshire can not find him in 1871 census
can you help
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He’s Francis Williams Ruddle on his birth registration, mother’s maiden name Jones.
Likely parents: William Ruddle & Catherine Jones marr Mar qtr 1866 Llanrwst.
Francis is with a Sarah Thomas in 1881 as “nephew”. Do you know what happened to his parents?
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sorry do no know what happend to his parents but will keep you in formed of any information i find
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Marriage???
12 April 1894 Francis William Ruddle age 26 Engineer to Mary Ellen Roberts at Dolgelly - Father listed as Francis Ruddle - Architect
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He’s Francis Williams Ruddle on his birth registration, mother’s maiden name Jones.
Likely parents: William Ruddle & Catherine Jones marr Mar qtr 1866 Llanrwst.
If it's of any help, the marriage took place on Feb 1st 1866 at Pentrefoelas.
Both were of full age.
William was an architect and his father is recorded as Francis Ruddle, a builder.
Catherine's father was Owen Jones, an Innkeeper.
Witnesses - Francis Ruddle and Edward Jones
Gadget
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thank you for all your help
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Could this be William Ruddle from the
18681866 marriage in 1881 with father Francis - Living in Peterbrough and all born there?? William wasn't with his father in 1871??
Francis Ruddle 82 Widower Builder
Mary Ruddle 56
William Ruddle 54 Widower Architects Clerk
Eliza Wigginton 18 Servant
Kay
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Eveabrick, is it just the 1871 census or are you after life events etc.
John
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Could this be William Ruddle from the 18681866 marriage in 1881 with father Francis - Living in Peterbrough and all born there?? William wasn't with his father in 1871??
Francis Ruddle 82 Widower Builder
Mary Ruddle 56
William Ruddle 54 Widower Architects Clerk
Eliza Wigginton 18 Servant
Kay
It looks very much like the family, Kay. I've not found Catherine with father, Owen, before the marriage so far.
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Could this be William Ruddle from the 18681866 marriage in 1881 with father Francis - Living in Peterbrough and all born there?? William wasn't with his father in 1871??
Francis Ruddle 82 Widower Builder
Mary Ruddle 56
William Ruddle 54 Widower Architects Clerk
Eliza Wigginton 18 Servant
Kay
It looks very much like the family, Kay. I've not found Catherine with father, Owen, before the marriage so far.
Likewise sadly
I think this might be Francis in 1871 - mistranscribed at Broad Street (Elephant Hotel), Newtown, Montgomeryshire I have not included all the servants
Elizabeth Lloyd Assistant 33 Montgomeryshire, Wales
Jane Jones Visitor 11 Merionethshire, Wales
Francis W Buddee Visitor 3 Pentrefoelas, Denbighshire,
Samuel Edwards 56 Carmarthenshire, Wales
Margaret Edwards Servant 22 Denbighshire, Wales
Jane Roberts Servant 26 Merionethshire, Wales
The Schoolkeeper/Innkeeper for the inn appears to be Richard Benbow on the previous page - on Anc Ruddle is transcribed as Buddle!
Kay
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thank you all for your help
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Burials;
Broadway Cemetery, Peterborough
13 Jul 1865 ANN Ruddle, wife of Francis age 71
14 Feb 1882 FRANCIS Ruddle age 84
(FreeREG)
Marriage;
1 July 1821 Peterborough, St John
Ann FARROW or FARRON to Francis RUDDLE
(Anc.)
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I wonder if Francis's mother Catherine died
Deaths Dec 1869
Ruddell Catharine Age 35 Newtown 11b 142
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My gut feeling is this may be Catherine;
1841 Census
Grace Jones 35 Innkeeper****
Jane Jones 8
Catherine Jones 6****
Owen Jones 4
Sarah Thomas 15
Gwen Thomas 20
Anne Thomas 25
Gwen Griffith 11
Robert Owen 65
Bapt on FreeREG 26 Jul 1835, CATHERINE, Daug of OWEN/GRACE Jones
+ JANE 12 May 1833
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Where were they living in 1841 Trish?
Ah - At the Vaelas Arms Inn, Pentrevoelas, Llanrwst - Looks good
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Gosh I'm glad you could read that ;D
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Gosh I'm glad you could read that ;D
It's the transcription on F M P ;D but seaching more likely to be Foelas Arms Inn
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Looks like the hotel is still in business :)
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https://britishlistedbuildings.co.uk/300020590-foelas-arms-hotel-pentrefoelas
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My gut feeling is this may be Catherine;
1841 Census
Grace Jones 35 Innkeeper****
Jane Jones 8
Catherine Jones 6****
Owen Jones 4
Sarah Thomas 15
Gwen Thomas 20
Anne Thomas 25
Gwen Griffith 11
Robert Owen 65
This Sarah Thomas I think is the Sarah Thomas that Frances W Ruddle was living with as nephew in 1881 in Dolgelly https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q2WS-62PG
Kay
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Owen, the husband of Grace, died before November 1837, admon dated 1 Nov
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01plv/
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marriage by licence 9 June 1832 in Llanfor, Merionethshire for Owen Jones of Pentrevoelas in the parish of Llanufydd, farmer, and Grace Hughes of Llanfor, witnesses Richard Jones & Jane Thomas, all signed.
Licence dated 11 May 1832 at NLW.
Jane, the eldest child, died in 1846
https://newspapers.library.wales/view/4519523/4519526/21/
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I wonder if Francis's mother Catherine died
Deaths Dec 1869
Ruddell Catharine Age 35 Newtown 11b 142
Looks like it - death notice for Kate Ruddle, wife of William.
https://newspapers.library.wales/view/3306032/3306036/41/
Added - more detail and funeral report
https://newspapers.library.wales/view/3287088/3287091/5/
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And the marriage
https://newspapers.library.wales/view/4579492/4579496/12/
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Marriage???
12 April 1894 Francis William Ruddle age 26 Engineer to Mary Ellen Roberts at Dolgelly - Father listed as Francis Ruddle - Architect
Report of the marriage
https://newspapers.library.wales/view/3313942/3313949/32/