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I am new to this. I cannot find two sisters. I have lots of info but they seem to draw a blank. Can anyone help please?
Beatrice Digby b 1906 to Walter Digby and Helen Pidgeon Howlett in Hanover gardens district of London.
Mabel Digby b 1908. Same parents. She apparently married twice, the second time to a rich American called Jack (surname maybe Garrett) and went to live in Texas, by the 1950s.
I’ve found the rest of the ten siblings including Alice who shares a middle name with one of these sisters. But Mabel and Beatrice .....they disappear. Can anyone help me please? It’s so frustrating!
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Welcome to rootschat
Baptisms give dates of birth
Beatrice 27 July 1906
Mabel 6 March 1908
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If this is Alice?
Alice Ellen Digby
Birth 10/1901 St George Hanover Square London
I wonder if this is Beatrice?
Beatrice Eleanor Digby
Birth 26/07/1906
Death 07/1982 Colchester Essex
Colin
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There is a death for Beatrice Eleanor Digby in Colchester, Essex in 1982. Her birthdate is given as 26th July 1906.
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There is a death for Beatrice Eleanor Digby in Colchester, Essex in 1982. Her birthdate is given as 26th July 1906.
Could she be Beatrice Eleanor Tucker though date of birth slightly out pre war
Marriage June qtr 1930
Digby Leslie C T (Tucker)
Tucker Beatrice E (Digby)
Romford 4a 1368
Births Sep qtr 1906
Tucker Beatrice Eleanor
W. Ham 4a 218
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A Mabel Alice Digby married John Patrick Hartigan Q3/1933 Islington 1b/481
In 1939 they are on the Electoral Register in Liverpool Rd Islington but you will need to see the 1939 register to check the DOB.
Colin
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There is a death for Beatrice Eleanor Digby in Colchester, Essex in 1982. Her birthdate is given as 26th July 1906.
Could she be Beatrice Eleanor Tucker though date of birth slightly out pre war
Marriage June qtr 1930
Digby Leslie C T (Tucker)
Tucker Beatrice E (Digby)
Romford 4a 1368
Births Sep qtr 1906
Tucker Beatrice Eleanor
W. Ham 4a 218
She could yes. I just posted because the birthday was only a day out :)
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It is always worth posting it gives us something to investigate ;D.
Colin have you found the couple who married in Islington on the 1939 register as I can't see them at that address. I think they are listed at separate addresses
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Hi Rosie, I hoped someone else might find them I had no success.
I note that the 1939 register does not seem to list the borough of Islington but my knowledge of the Boroughs in 1939 is limited?
Colin
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John P is easy to find but he is not with his wife. There is a Mabel A Hartigan who is married but husbandless with a 1910 birth date in Rugby RD. It looks as though she dies in Gloucester in 1996.
Neither of these girls have middle names on their birth registrations or baptisms
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Mabel A Hartigan b 1910 fits Mabel Alice Digby , daughter of Walter Charles and Emily Elizabeth Digby,
who was born 6 Sep 1910 and baptised at St Stephen Islington
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Thanks for that, it confirms my thoughts ;D
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Some of the family appear to be at 16a Peabody Buildings. Peabody Avenue, Westminster in 1932
Digby,Beatrice, Harold, Helen, Mabel,Sidney James and Walter.
Some later appear to have moved to 6.Killarmey Road.
Can t see Beatrice Digby on electoral roles after 1932 but could have missed her.
Cathy
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That is good as it confirms that Mabel and Beatrice were not married at that time. ;D
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I wonder if this is Mabel :
Mabel Garrett
going to 6345 Malvey , Fort Worth , Texas
age 43 ( b 1909 ) , married
nationality : Britain
arrived New York on the Queen Mary from Southampton 20 Jan 1952
The same person appears to have left New York on the Queen Elizabeth 27 Nov 1951. The Incoming Passenger List says she was going to 130 Cardinal Ave, Kingston Surrey.
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Death, January 1989, Barking + Dagenham
Beatrice Lacey
d-o-b 27 July 1906
In Ilford in 1939
Son P may have been born in 1936, rather than 1935, indexed West Ham under both Digby and Lacey.
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Probate for Beatrice Lacey, died 8.1.89
https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/Calendar?surname=lacey&yearOfDeath=1989&page=2#calendar
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I wonder if this is Mabel :
Mabel Garrett
going to 6345 Malvey , Fort Worth , Texas
age 43 ( b 1909 ) , married
nationality : Britain
arrived New York on the Queen Mary from Southampton 20 Jan 1952
The same person appears to have left New York on the Queen Elizabeth 27 Nov 1951. The Incoming Passenger List says she was going to 130 Cardinal Ave, Kingston Surrey.
I think this IS Mabel.
Alice Ellen Acland ( nee Digby ) of 130 Cardinal Avenue Kingston upon Thames d 31 Dec 1985 , probate Winchester 6 March.
( Alice Ellen Digby married Arthur D Acland 1928 St George Hanover Square . )
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Well done both of you. Brilliant finds ;D
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I wonder if this is Mabel :
Mabel Garrett
going to 6345 Malvey , Fort Worth , Texas
age 43 ( b 1909 ) , married
nationality : Britain
arrived New York on the Queen Mary from Southampton 20 Jan 1952
The same person appears to have left New York on the Queen Elizabeth 27 Nov 1951. The Incoming Passenger List says she was going to 130 Cardinal Ave, Kingston Surrey.
This is definitely her! Yes the 130 cardinal avenue Kingston is the address of her sister, as a later poster mentions. I am so pleased, and so is my mum, thank you!
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Some of the family appear to be at 16a Peabody Buildings. Peabody Avenue, Westminster in 1932
Digby,Beatrice, Harold, Helen, Mabel,Sidney James and Walter.
Some later appear to have moved to 6.Killarmey Road.
Can t see Beatrice Digby on electoral roles after 1932 but could have missed her.
Cathy
Yes that’s her.
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If this is Alice?
Alice Ellen Digby
Birth 10/1901 St George Hanover Square London
I wonder if this is Beatrice?
Beatrice Eleanor Digby
Birth 26/07/1906
Death 07/1982 Colchester Essex
Colin
That’s the info I had got as well, I had her birth in 1906, her 1911 census and then the death in 1982 BUT the death is in the name of Digby so this would mean she never married. And my aunt insists she married a man called Stan and had three children.
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There is a death for Beatrice Eleanor Digby in Colchester, Essex in 1982. Her birthdate is given as 26th July 1906.
Could she be Beatrice Eleanor Tucker though date of birth slightly out pre war
Marriage June qtr 1930
Digby Leslie C T (Tucker)
Tucker Beatrice E (Digby)
Romford 4a 1368
Births Sep qtr 1906
Tucker Beatrice Eleanor
W. Ham 4a 218
She could yes. I just posted because the birthday was only a day out :)
This definitely isn’t her. She wasn’t born in West Ham, she had nine siblings who are all listed as being born in Hanover gardens, Pimlico.
My aunt has now recalled Beatrice married Stan Lacy and they had three boys, Peter, Colin and John. Does this help to find her? She can’t be the West Ham Beatrice and I don’t think she can be the Beatrice who died in Colchester in 1982 unless she changed her name back to her maiden name as she is listed as Digby in the death records.
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Mabel A Hartigan b 1910 fits Mabel Alice Digby , daughter of Walter Charles and Emily Elizabeth Digby,
who was born 6 Sep 1910 and baptised at St Stephen Islington
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Welcome to rootschat
Baptisms give dates of birth
Beatrice 27 July 1906
Mabel 6 March 1908
Can you please tell me where you found this info? I know it's basic info but not coming up on Ancestry for me - where did you get the baptism records? I could only find the data entry version which narorws it down to three months.
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I have now found Mabel's gravestone in Texas, thanks to you. She is there as Maybell "May" (she was born Mabel but never used it and was known as Auntie May); she is buried with John "Jack" Garrett which fits.
I would love to find her marriage records. My aunt says there were two marriages, one to a rich jewish man in London and then another to Jack Garrett. I can't find either.
I would love some tips as to what I am doing wrong please!
She didn't have a middle name and the Hartingan a PP has suggested above has the wrong parents and birth location.
Ancestry is coming up with a marriage record of a Mabel Digby in April 1939 to an Ernest L Hunter in Aldershot. The location doesn't fit at all; it was her first marriage so would expected her to marry near her hometown. Is there a way of seeing her actual marriage certificate for that one WITHOUT PURCHASING IT?!! Many thanks
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FindMyPast has the baptism images which also contain their birthdates. They took place at St Gabriel, Warwick Square, Pimlico, Middlesex.
The Aldershot marriage is not your Mabel, you can see her record on the 1939 register.
The Hartigan marriage has also been discounted.
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Thank you Rosie. Do you tend to use Find My Past or Ancestry - do you have a preference? Does FindMyPast have a subscription as well?
I wonder how I am going to find either of Mabel's marriage records. :(
Mabel and Jack died within three days of one another, the gravestone says. Can you advise what is the best way to find out if they died in an accident etc? The gravestone is in Texas.
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I have access to both Ancestry & FindMyPast, they are both subscription sites. It really depends where your research is as to which is best for you.
To find Mabels or Beatrices marriage if they were in England then they should show on the GRO index/freebmd. It is doubtful that if found the image would appear on any of the subscription sites as they would have been after 1930 when they appear on electoral registers as Digby.
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My aunt has now recalled Beatrice married Stan Lacy and they had three boys, Peter, Colin and John. Does this help to find her? She can’t be the West Ham Beatrice and I don’t think she can be the Beatrice who died in Colchester in 1982 unless she changed her name back to her maiden name as she is listed as Digby in the death records.
Details found of children which fit names and location - won;t put too much as they may still be alive but births are between 1936 & 1946, which may narrow down marriage windows
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Thank you, that’s been helpful, just found them
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Could you not have looked at Reply #15 ?
Then you would have had the death of Beatrice Lacey, plus a note about the birth of her son in 1936 being indexed under both Digby and Lacey?
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sorry - sometimes when you are reading through four pages of posts you don;t notice or retain every detail
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Hi Mabel
Please don't worry about it.
I was just wondering if nic had missed the post? I kept it deliberately brief, perhaps too much so!
But never mind, the missing ladies are sorted now :)
John
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Could you not have looked at Reply #15 ?
Then you would have had the death of Beatrice Lacey, plus a note about the birth of her son in 1936 being indexed under both Digby and Lacey?
Thank you, yes I did very much look at reply 15 and used that info in my own attempts. Bear with me please, I am new to this.
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I still cannot find either of Mabel's marriage records which I would love to do. Can anyone help? She was born Mabel Digby dob 26 July 1906 (although some records show it on another day close to that). She was at Peasbody buildings in 1911. Her father was Walter Digby b 1870 and her mother Helen Pidgeon Howlett.
I don't know much about husband number one other than he was Jewish, rich and lived in London.
Husband number two was John "Jack" Garrett, a Texan. They were married by Nov 1951 as she travelled alone under Mabel Garrett to New York and back (prior to emigrating to Fort Worth, Texas).] On her gravestone they spell her name Maybell and she always went by "Auntie May" to the family.
I'd also love to know what caused her and Jack to die only three days apart, in July 1988.
Can anyone help, and also let me know how to do it so that I learn!
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This looks very promising for Mabel.
Mabel White, age 38, born London. Occupation Sales Lady. Divorced.
Southampton to New York 15 July 1947 on the Queen Elizabeth.
5ft 3in tall, complexion fair, hair fair, eyes blue.
Final destination: Fort Worth, Texas.
Name of friend/relative going to join: Friends Mr & Mrs Slough, 5062 Barbara Road, Fort Worth, Texas.
The interesting bit....
Name and address of nearest relative in UK: Mr. S. Digby, brother, 6 Killarney Road, Wandsworth.
Mabel had a brother Sidney - he can be found on the 1939 register at the above address.
Now to find out which Mr. White she married and divorced.
Possible first marriage
Marriages Sep 1940 Marylebone 1a 1887
Mabel R Digby (not sure where the R fits)
Samuel White or Weitz/Wettz - possibly a Jewish name (nic mentioned in post #35 he may have been Jewish)
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This looks very promising for Mabel.
Mabel White, age 38, born London. Occupation Sales Lady. Divorced.
Southampton to New York 15 July 1947 on the Queen Elizabeth.
5ft 3in tall, complexion fair, hair fair, eyes blue.
Final destination: Fort Worth, Texas.
Name of friend/relative going to join: Friends Mr & Mrs Slough, 5062 Barbara Road, Fort Worth, Texas.
The interesting bit....
Name and address of nearest relative in UK: Mr. S. Digby, brother, 6 Killarney Road, Wandsworth.
Mabel had a brother Sidney - he can be found on the 1939 register at the above address.
Now to find out which Mr. White she married and divorced.
Possible first marriage
Marriages Sep 1940 Marylebone 1a 1887
Mabel R Digby (not sure where the R fits)
Samuel White or Weitz/Wettz - possibly a Jewish name (nic mentioned in post #35 he may have been Jewish)
Wow! This is amazing! Thank you so much. That marriage to Samuel weitz or white looks good as it’s one of the only ones listed to a Mabel without a middle name, like my Mabel.
The description of her matches her sisters and their daughters; short and fair.
And yes its Sydney her brother at Killarney Road.
Thank you!!
1) how would I clarify if it was Samuel white or Wietz?
2) how do I find her second marriage to jack Garrett? Looks like she got married in the USA.
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Just saw she’s listed as Mabel R Digby in some of those records. I don’t think she had a middle name but perhaps she made it up or changed it or perhaps if she married into a Jewish family she added a Jewish middle name?!
She changed her name in the States to Maybell....my mum says she was always Auntie May, my mum never knew she was christened Mabel.
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To be sure if the marriage to Samuel White/Weitz is the correct one you would need to buy the marriage cert. I have looked in the newspapers on Findmypast for any announcement of the marriage or divorce but haven't found anything.
There is an unmarried Samuel Weitz who is a tailor in Stepney in 1939 (the year before the marriage). I wonder if Mabel worked for him as her occupation on the 1947 passenger list was Sales Lady.
I have been looking for her marriage to John "Jack" Garrett on the USA records on Ancestry and Findmypast, I've not found anything but I haven't given up yet ;D. I've also looked in the American newspapers on Findmypast for their deaths in 1988 but sadly nothing.
There is a tree on Ancestry "J. Reese Family Tree" which has John "Jack" Herbert Garrett (1913-1988). His spouse is private on the tree so no details of the marriage showing. You cound send a message to the tree owner and ask if they have any more information they could share with you. Hopefully this link to the tree will work
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/family-tree/person/tree/106011290/person/142089087595/facts
You could try newspapers.com, they do a free 7 day trial https://www.newspapers.com/
I'm still looking but hopefully someone else will find something I have missed.
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This looks very promising for Mabel.
Mabel White, age 38, born London. Occupation Sales Lady. Divorced.
Southampton to New York 15 July 1947 on the Queen Elizabeth.
5ft 3in tall, complexion fair, hair fair, eyes blue.
Final destination: Fort Worth, Texas.
Name of friend/relative going to join: Friends Mr & Mrs Slough, 5062 Barbara Road, Fort Worth, Texas.
The interesting bit....
Name and address of nearest relative in UK: Mr. S. Digby, brother, 6 Killarney Road, Wandsworth.
Mabel had a brother Sidney - he can be found on the 1939 register at the above address.
Now to find out which Mr. White she married and divorced.
Possible first marriage
Marriages Sep 1940 Marylebone 1a 1887
Mabel R Digby (not sure where the R fits)
Samuel White or Weitz/Wettz - possibly a Jewish name (nic mentioned in post #35 he may have been Jewish)
Where did you find this information please @jool ??
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To be sure if the marriage to Samuel White/Weitz is the correct one you would need to buy the marriage cert. I have looked in the newspapers on Findmypast for any announcement of the marriage or divorce but haven't found anything.
There is an unmarried Samuel Weitz who is a tailor in Stepney in 1939 (the year before the marriage). I wonder if Mabel worked for him as her occupation on the 1947 passenger list was Sales Lady.
I have been looking for her marriage to John "Jack" Garrett on the USA records on Ancestry and Findmypast, I've not found anything but I haven't given up yet ;D. I've also looked in the American newspapers on Findmypast for their deaths in 1988 but sadly nothing.
There is a tree on Ancestry "J. Reese Family Tree" which has John "Jack" Herbert Garrett (1913-1988). His spouse is private on the tree so no details of the marriage showing. You cound send a message to the tree owner and ask if they have any more information they could share with you. Hopefully this link to the tree will work
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/family-tree/person/tree/106011290/person/142089087595/facts
You could try newspapers.com, they do a free 7 day trial https://www.newspapers.com/
I'm still looking but hopefully someone else will find something I have missed.
Thank you so much for this. It would be great to find the 2nd marriage location. She sailed the Atlantic as Mabel White so looks like she got divorced from Samuel White, or he died, and she sailed off and then married him over there because in 1951 and 1952 the ship records show her name as Garrett. Or she came back home with Jack Garrett via plane and got married over here?
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The 1947 passenger list is on Ancestry "New York, Passenger and Crew Lists (including Castle Garden and Ellis Island), 1820-1957". I think you have to have a worldwide sub to view it though. Here's the link http://www.rootschat.com/links/01pm9/
Love your bunny by the way ;D
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Thank you!
I've just looked at Mabel's second husband John "Jack" H Garrett. It looks like he enlisted in April 1941 as a warrant officer. The record gives his civil occupation as a lawyer or judge. My aunt says he was minted so that fits, along with the multiple trips back to the UK on Pan Am in the 1950s which would have been expensive. He is listed as single in 1941. Mabel first sails in the record you found in 1947 and she is Mabel Garrett by 1951. Not sure if that helps someone to find their marriage; it is proving beyond my abilities!
Mabel and Jack died within three days of one another in Texas in July 1988 so I am wondering if there was an accident?
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I have looked for an accident in the Findmypast newspapers in 1988 but no luck. Maybe newspapers.com have different newspapers which may have a report. I don't have a sub.
If the link to the 1947 passenger list on Ancestry doesn't work you can view it on Familysearch. It's a free site but you have to register. Lots of other useful info on there if you haven't used it before.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:24P5-KHZ
This record is across 2 pages so you have to click the arrow right to see page 2 (she's on line 22)
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I've just looked at Mabel's second husband John "Jack" H Garrett. It looks like he enlisted in April 1941 as a warrant officer. The record gives his civil occupation as a lawyer or judge.
John Garrett and his father Herbert are both listed as an Attorney, Private Practice on the 1940 US census.
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I've just looked at Mabel's second husband John "Jack" H Garrett. It looks like he enlisted in April 1941 as a warrant officer. The record gives his civil occupation as a lawyer or judge.
John Garrett and his father Herbert are both listed as an Attorney, Private Practice on the 1940 US census.
Brillliant! Thank you. I have found the 1947 sailing records, thank you. Just the marriage and the reason for death to find now :)
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By the way, are there any Jewish records that might help me with her first marriage? My aunt says Mabel married a wealthy man in Knightsbridge and it looks like his name was Samuel Wjhite / Weitz/ Wettz and that marriage was 1940. I wonder if he Anglicised it due to not wanting a German name during or because of the war?
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I googled "Jewish genealogy UK" and a couple of sites popped up but they are subscription sites. Someone else may know more about UK Jewish records.
It crossed my mind that he may have anglicized his name because of the war, it wasn't uncommon at the time.
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There’s a Samuel Weitz living in London in the 1939 National Identity Register with a date of birth 1910. He appears in the electoral rolls in Stepney in the 1930s.
A Samuel Weitz and his twin David were born in 1910 registered in St George and the East. Their mother’s maiden name was listed as Fishbane. David died in 1911.
Do you have Mabel’s marriage certificate to Samuel? If yes what was Samuel’s father’s name?
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Thank you, I'm literally just looking at the same Samuel Weitz right now. I have just ordered the Mabel Digby-Samuel Weitz marriage certificate from GRO which will take a few days to arrive as there is no digital option.
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No death record for him but it looks like he changed his name to White.
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Looking to see if there are family you could contact, Jack had two sisters, one of whom, Ruth, appears to have died in 1999:
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/103685633/ruth-garrett
The other sister Frances, had a daughter Ann who passed away about five years ago:
https://www.legacy.com/obituaries/washingtonpost/obituary.aspx?n=ann-h-hargrove&pid=173234763
You might want to try to contact some of Ann's descendants - maybe they have some stories about Uncle Jack's mysterious English bride! ;)
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I wanted to update you on this as I now have some marriage certs and photos:
BEATRICE FIRST:
Marriage certificate states:
20 Nov 1970. Stanley James LACEY age 71 widower of Romford, Essex (father Henry Robert Lacey, deceased, boot repairer). Marries Beatrice LACEY ("name changed by deed poll) age 64 yrs, spinster, of the same address, father Walter Digby deceased, Brewer's draughtman (father name, deceased status and profession are all correct).
So they moved in together in the early 1930s, when he was still married to his first wife. They had three sons together but couldn't marry as first wife still alive and well. She died in October 1970 and they married six weeks later at the age of 71 and 64!
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MABEL:
marriage cert: 7th July 1940
Samuel Weitz, otherwise White, 29, bachelor, of Stepney, London. Married Mabel Ruth Digby age 32, spinster, father's name Walter Digby (deceased), cooper. Which all fits. They married at the West London Synagogue. (all parties now deceased).
Would LOVE to find Mabel's second marriage - to John "Jack" Garrett. Maybe in London, maybe in Fort Worth Texas. Married by the early 1950s apparently.
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Would love to find Mabel's second marriage to John "Jack" Garrett born 3 Jul 1913 in Texas. Died Jul 1988, as did she, within three days of each other.
Cannot find a marriage anywhere on Ancestry, FindMyPast or Family Search. I wonder if they never married? Although she is down on the gravestone as May"belle" (she hated Mabel and was always known as May) GARRETT
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Have now found Mabel’s second marriage, 2 May 1948 in Texas.