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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Wicklow => Topic started by: AlanR83 on Monday 22 June 20 07:08 BST (UK)
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I'm trying to find a record of my Great Grandfather's sister on the 1901 census, I only know her name used after she arrived in America around 1900 was Delia Doyle, but I know Irish people sometimes changed their name to sound more American - like Bridget became Bertha (etc), any idea what Delia could have been when she was living in Ireland. She was born in Wicklow sometime between 1873 - 1890.
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Women called Bridget were also called Delia - these names were used in my wife's family.
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Thanks John
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Delia possibly from Delilah
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It could have been short for Cordelia, but these days it is just a name in itself.
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That's a wide date range for her birth, I'm guessing you don't know where she came in the family, do you have the parents names, it would be better to find her birth cert first.
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Bridget is most likely, unless she came from a somewhat wealthy family.
Bedelia, Delia are other forms of Bridget (I've no idea how), according to Patrick Woulfe "Irish names for children" (1923).
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I Googled Delia. 12 plus pages of them. USA and other countries.
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The 1901 Irish census has 6277 people named Delia. 11 in Co. Wicklow. So the name is pretty common in Ireland. Have you searched for her birth in Ireland under Delia?
Another possibility is that her birth was registered without a forename (common practice at the time). There’s a female Doyle registered in Baltinglass registration district in 1874 and another in Rathdrum in 1881, for example. (Both births were in Wicklow). You would need to check the local baptism records to see if either was named Delia.
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Delia is commonly used in Ireland as a pet name for Bridget. I read somewhere that Bedelia was used as the Latin for Bridget in Baptisms but I can't vouch for this.
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I'm trying to find a record of my Great Grandfather's sister on the 1901 census, I only know her name used after she arrived in America around 1900 was Delia Doyle, but I know Irish people sometimes changed their name to sound more American - like Bridget became Bertha (etc), any idea what Delia could have been when she was living in Ireland. She was born in Wicklow sometime between 1873 - 1890.
If she arrived in America around 1900, you won’t find her on the 1901 census :-\
What was your Gt Grandfather's name and when and where was he born?
Do you have her in U S? Did she go to your Great Grandfather or arrive with him?
Where did she/ they settle?
I agree with others - the Delias I know were baptised Bridget.
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You started a thread here and mention a Great Grandparents Wood and Doyle but it is a female Ellen Doyle.
Is that a different family?
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=778718.0
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Hello, so my Great Great Grandparents (Delia Parents) were Christopher Doyle & Maria Flynn. I know they lived in Bray until late 1890's and then moved to Charlemont Street in Dublin by 1901 & 1911 census. I never knew of Delia's existence until last week when US relations made contact. Up until last week I thought I had found the baptism & birth records of all their children, I believe 8 of these were still living by 1911 - Mary, Denis, Henry, Ellen, Elizabeth, Thomas, John (Jack) & Anna Doyle. However I have just reviewed the 1911 census and Maria does state on it that she has 9 children still living - so this must include Delia. They married in 1873 in Bray and she's not on the census with either parent in 1901 or 1911 so she must have either emigrated or being working as a servant by 1901 census - so that would mean she was born sometime between 1873 & about 1885 - but I checked on Ireland Genealogy and can find no Bridget Doyle birth cert with mother's name as Flynn.
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Thanks.
Do the US relatives mention where Delia settled? How are they related to her?
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Below is the link to Christopher & Maria Doyle on the 1911 census:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Rathmines___Rathgar_East/Charlemont_Villas/51497/
FYI - The US relations are direct descendants of the eldest brother Denis Doyle, they know nothing about Delia, except that their Great Grandfather Denis had a sister called Delia who was in America (New York) with him.
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Hi thanks. Yes I saw that earlier.
I would look at the births of the children you have - presumably you have the eight you name and those who died and look for any gaps where there could be another birth.
I appreciate it is difficult with the surname but it might work.
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Do you have more details re Denis in America - wife, children etc.
Do you have him in the census?
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Denis was born in 1875, I just know he had a son Christopher Doyle and Christopher was orphaned young. Denis wife name was Sarah, her surname I don't know. That's all I have.
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So who's this ?
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2438-4XK
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This would be Denis and Delia in 1920 - no son Christopher
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MJYN-NBQ
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Thanks very much for this, so it looks like the US relations got it wrong and Delia was their Grandfather's mother or Stepmother.
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would it say on a US marriage cert, whether Denis was married before?
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The US relations did say that Denis son Christopher was orphaned, I believe this is the death record for Denis Doyle: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QGKK-K91K
Anyone know where I could get the full death cert online for the cause of death?
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Is that where your US relative have the family?
There is a Dennis Doyle in Lysander in 1920 but too old to be yours
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MV99-YZX
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would it say on a US marriage cert, whether Denis was married before?
You can see the information included on the link given in reply #18
So who's this ?
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2438-4XK
If Denis and Delia had been married and without children for nine years then perhaps Christopher was later adopted.
Debra :)
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No adoption as the reason I connected with the US relations was a close DNA match with one of them, they have come back to me today and said that Christopher Doyle was born in 1920, so I assume Delia must have been his mother
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There is a 9 yr old Christopher Doyle here in 1930. If he was born in 1920 that would fit as he would be born after the 1920 census. He is in an institution.
If you look at parents details, his father’s was firstly written as ‘unknown’ and then amended to ‘U S’.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X781-T98
Here is the institution . There are other references online including YouTube.
https://www.farmingdale.edu/library/college-archives/nazareth/nazareth_trade_school.shtml
Does that fit?
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Delia’s death in 1947
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2W2F-74G
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A 5 yr old Christopher - orphan in 1925
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:K91Z-S58
Perhaps Christopher was not the son of Denis and Delia Curry Doyle
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Thanks Heywood,
I found him also in an institution on the New York census 1925, see link below:
age 5 listed as an Orphan and residing at The Sorrowful Mother Orphan Home, 27 Harrison Place, Brooklyn - it states that Christopher was first admitted to the Orphanage on November 08, 1923.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:K91Z-S58
From those dates I can assume that Denis Doyle must have died in New York sometime between the 1920 census and October 1923. I have not found a record of his death yet.
Yes I believe he was the son of Denis & Delia Curry.
I found a death record for Christopher in Hicksville in June 1992, it states he was born in May 1920, so Delia must have been pregnant at the time of the 1920 census - presuming the census date was prior to May 1920.
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So, if all these things fit together, perhaps Delia could not care for him for some reason.
He would be 27yrs old when she died. :-\
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Denis’s naturalisation
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01pn4/
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Thanks for that Heywood, did you find a death cert for Delia?
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No certificate - just the link in reply #27
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You could post on USA forum searching for any more information on the Doyles in US.
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/usa/
Link to this thread for cross reference.
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An alternative derivative of Bridgette is Bridie