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Title: Still new to this - can you help me solve this pls?
Post by: nicdigby on Monday 22 June 20 21:41 BST (UK)
Am building family tree on Ancestry. I noticed other members have got an extra child born to the family and I wondered if you can help pls?

Here's what I THINK happened:

Father: Houghton Walpole b 1869 Forncett Norfolk.
Mother: harriet Howlett b 1872. Langmere.
married: 9 Feb 1986. Forncett.

1911 census has them listed as living in Tibbenham, Long Stratton: it says 9 children born alive, 7 survived.

Maud 14
Harris J - 12
Alfred - 10
Winifred H - 8
Harold H - 6
Leslie H - 5
Victor Nelson - 3

So Victor born 1908 if he was 3 in the 1911 census??

Other people's trees then have Harriet H born 1908 as well. Were they twins?

I also have a birth of Marion coming up ten years later to the same couple; can you guys confirm I have correctly thought this is the same couple having a baby ten year's after the others?

if anyone can help me with the birth years and death years and even marriages of these ancestors I would be so grateful - I am still new to this and although I am trying to follow advice and use FreeBMD and Family Search I am still getting mighty confused by it all! These are all long-lost cousins to our family so it would be fab to follow the lines down for each of these siblings, if anyone fancies helping.

Title: Re: Still new to this - can you help me solve this pls?
Post by: davidft on Monday 22 June 20 22:03 BST (UK)
 They are not siblings as they have different mother's maiden names

WALPOLE, VICTOR  NELSON   MMN HOWLETT 
GRO Reference: 1907  J Quarter in DEPWADE  Volume 04B  Page 228

WALPOLE, HARRIET  HANNAH   MMN ANDREWS 
GRO Reference: 1908  S Quarter in DEPWADE  Volume 04B  Page 209

Source: https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/
Title: Re: Still new to this - can you help me solve this pls?
Post by: heywood on Monday 22 June 20 22:04 BST (UK)
This site is good to check mothers’ maiden names

It shows Victor Born 1907 with mmn Howlett

Harriet Hannah b 1908 has a mother Andrews

1918 Marion Lilian has mother Howlett
Title: Re: Still new to this - can you help me solve this pls?
Post by: M_ONeill on Monday 22 June 20 22:08 BST (UK)
There's a parish baptismal record for Marion Lillian, daughter of Houghton and Harriet Pidgeon Walpole of Tibbenham. Baptised Dec 15th 1918.

Given the gap in the children, ending in 1918, I immediately wonder if the war was somehow involved (although Houghton looks somewhat too old to have been a soldier).
Title: Re: Still new to this - can you help me solve this pls?
Post by: nicdigby on Monday 22 June 20 22:14 BST (UK)
This site is good to check mothers’ maiden names

It shows Victor Born 1907 with mmn Howlett

Harriet Hannah b 1908 has a mother Andrews

1918 Marion Lilian has mother Howlett

Which site is good to check mother's maiden names? Do you mean this forum, or another site?
Title: Re: Still new to this - can you help me solve this pls?
Post by: nicdigby on Monday 22 June 20 22:15 BST (UK)
They are not siblings as they have different mother's maiden names

WALPOLE, VICTOR  NELSON   MMN HOWLETT 
GRO Reference: 1907  J Quarter in DEPWADE  Volume 04B  Page 228

WALPOLE, HARRIET  HANNAH   MMN ANDREWS 
GRO Reference: 1908  S Quarter in DEPWADE  Volume 04B  Page 209

Source: https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/

Would you mind giving me an idiots guide as to how you found that info on there please?
Title: Re: Still new to this - can you help me solve this pls?
Post by: nicdigby on Monday 22 June 20 22:15 BST (UK)
There's a parish baptismal record for Marion Lillian, daughter of Houghton and Harriet Pidgeon Walpole of Tibbenham. Baptised Dec 15th 1918.

Given the gap in the children, ending in 1918, I immediately wonder if the war was somehow involved (although Houghton looks somewhat too old to have been a soldier).

Thank you very much
Title: Re: Still new to this - can you help me solve this pls?
Post by: heywood on Monday 22 June 20 22:19 BST (UK)
There is a baby Ronald Born 1899 mmn Howlett and a death in 1900 for the same.
Alfred Ronald who was born 1901 was perhaps named after him.
Title: Re: Still new to this - can you help me solve this pls?
Post by: davidft on Monday 22 June 20 22:24 BST (UK)
Would you mind giving me an idiots guide as to how you found that info on there please?

You have to be registered with the site. It is free and easy.

Once registered login and there are a series of options

eg place an order (for a certificate)
     view an order (eg to see when it may be dispatched)
     search the GRO indexes

Using search the Gro indexes you can search for birth or deaths for the years the site covers.
When you have selected search births or deaths it then is straight forward, the more information you can enter the better. Sometimes you will need to use a soundex for the names eg when names might have been misheard. Play around with it a bit and you will see its quite easy to use
Title: Re: Still new to this - can you help me solve this pls?
Post by: nicdigby on Monday 22 June 20 22:35 BST (UK)
There is a baby Ronald Born 1899 mmn Howlett and a death in 1900 for the same.
Alfred Ronald who was born 1901 was perhaps named after him.

Thank you
Title: Re: Still new to this - can you help me solve this pls?
Post by: nicdigby on Monday 22 June 20 22:39 BST (UK)
Would you mind giving me an idiots guide as to how you found that info on there please?

You have to be registered with the site. It is free and easy.

Once registered login and there are a series of options

eg place an order (for a certificate)
     view an order (eg to see when it may be dispatched)
     search the GRO indexes

Using search the Gro indexes you can search for birth or deaths for the years the site covers.
When you have selected search births or deaths it then is straight forward, the more information you can enter the better. Sometimes you will need to use a soundex for the names eg when names might have been misheard. Play around with it a bit and you will see its quite easy to use

Thank you. I've just had a play.
Tell me - when is it best to use FreeBMD to find a birth or death
And when best to use GRO?
Title: Re: Still new to this - can you help me solve this pls?
Post by: davidft on Monday 22 June 20 22:44 BST (UK)


Thank you. I've just had a play.
Tell me - when is it best to use FreeBMD to find a birth or death
And when best to use GRO?

Well the advantage of using the GRO site is it tells you the MMN for all births whereas FreeBMD only tell you the MMN from 1911 (from memory).

However if you don't need the MMN the FreeBMD does return results much quicker in my experience and you can search a much wider time frame in one go as well
Title: Re: Still new to this - can you help me solve this pls?
Post by: heywood on Monday 22 June 20 22:47 BST (UK)
I agree with Davidft.

Free BMD has births, marriages and deaths
See here for years of cover. Mother’s maiden name is shown after 1911.
https://www.freebmd.org.uk/
You don’t need to sign up.

GRO - you sign up but free. Only shows births with mother’s name 1837 - 1919 (I think) and shows deaths to same time.
Title: Re: Still new to this - can you help me solve this pls?
Post by: Jool on Monday 22 June 20 23:04 BST (UK)
Also, FreeBMD only shows age at death from Jan 1866 onwards.  The GRO Index shows age at death for all the years listed.

A lot of things to remember but I'm sure you will soon get the hang of it.  :)
Title: Re: Still new to this - can you help me solve this pls?
Post by: nicdigby on Monday 22 June 20 23:04 BST (UK)
thank you
Title: Re: Still new to this - can you help me solve this pls?
Post by: mckha489 on Tuesday 23 June 20 02:14 BST (UK)
If you are dealing with one of those surnames where there are multiple possibilities for the spelling I find it is best to do the preliminary search on FreeBMD. So that you get the alternative spellings (as you can use wildcards there) then go over to the GRO and enter the spelling as recorded to find the maiden name.
Title: Re: Still new to this - can you help me solve this pls?
Post by: Tickettyboo on Tuesday 23 June 20 08:48 BST (UK)
If you are dealing with one of those surnames where there are multiple possibilities for the spelling I find it is best to do the preliminary search on FreeBMD. So that you get the alternative spellings (as you can use wildcards there) then go over to the GRO and enter the spelling as recorded to find the maiden name.

Snap :-) If its a surname that really needs a search using wildcards (I have more than my fair share of those) I use the same double dip method.

Boo
Title: Re: Still new to this - can you help me solve this pls?
Post by: trish1120 on Tuesday 23 June 20 13:45 BST (UK)
I double dip too ;D
Title: Re: Still new to this - can you help me solve this pls?
Post by: trish1120 on Tuesday 23 June 20 14:07 BST (UK)
Baptisms of some of the children are on FreeREG;

Alfred Ronald WALPOLE   Baptism   26 May 1901   Norfolk   Forncett :  St Peter
Winifred Harriet WALPOLE   Baptism   31 Aug 1902   Norfolk   Tibenham : All Saints
Harold Houghton WALPOLE   Baptism   01 Jan 1905   Norfolk   Tibenham : All Saints
Leslie Hubert WALPOLE   Baptism   29 Jul 1906   Norfolk   Tibenham : All Saints
Victor Nelson WALPOLE   Baptism   18 Aug 1907   Norfolk   Tibenham : All Saints
Marion Lillan WALPOLE   Baptism   15 Dec 1918       Norfolk     Tibenham : All Saints

Trish :)
Title: Re: Still new to this - can you help me solve this pls?
Post by: nicdigby on Tuesday 23 June 20 18:21 BST (UK)
Baptisms of some of the children are on FreeREG;

Alfred Ronald WALPOLE   Baptism   26 May 1901   Norfolk   Forncett :  St Peter
Winifred Harriet WALPOLE   Baptism   31 Aug 1902   Norfolk   Tibenham : All Saints
Harold Houghton WALPOLE   Baptism   01 Jan 1905   Norfolk   Tibenham : All Saints
Leslie Hubert WALPOLE   Baptism   29 Jul 1906   Norfolk   Tibenham : All Saints
Victor Nelson WALPOLE   Baptism   18 Aug 1907   Norfolk   Tibenham : All Saints
Marion Lillan WALPOLE   Baptism   15 Dec 1918       Norfolk     Tibenham : All Saints

Trish :)

This is very helpful, thank you
Title: Re: Still new to this - can you help me solve this pls?
Post by: Mowsehowse on Wednesday 24 June 20 13:04 BST (UK)
My tactic is to look for possible children of a couple on Freebmd and on Familysearch, and then what hasn't been confirmed on the census returns, can be verified from mother's maiden name in the GRO indexes.