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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Norfolk => Topic started by: nicdigby on Monday 22 June 20 21:41 BST (UK)
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Am building family tree on Ancestry. I noticed other members have got an extra child born to the family and I wondered if you can help pls?
Here's what I THINK happened:
Father: Houghton Walpole b 1869 Forncett Norfolk.
Mother: harriet Howlett b 1872. Langmere.
married: 9 Feb 1986. Forncett.
1911 census has them listed as living in Tibbenham, Long Stratton: it says 9 children born alive, 7 survived.
Maud 14
Harris J - 12
Alfred - 10
Winifred H - 8
Harold H - 6
Leslie H - 5
Victor Nelson - 3
So Victor born 1908 if he was 3 in the 1911 census??
Other people's trees then have Harriet H born 1908 as well. Were they twins?
I also have a birth of Marion coming up ten years later to the same couple; can you guys confirm I have correctly thought this is the same couple having a baby ten year's after the others?
if anyone can help me with the birth years and death years and even marriages of these ancestors I would be so grateful - I am still new to this and although I am trying to follow advice and use FreeBMD and Family Search I am still getting mighty confused by it all! These are all long-lost cousins to our family so it would be fab to follow the lines down for each of these siblings, if anyone fancies helping.
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They are not siblings as they have different mother's maiden names
WALPOLE, VICTOR NELSON MMN HOWLETT
GRO Reference: 1907 J Quarter in DEPWADE Volume 04B Page 228
WALPOLE, HARRIET HANNAH MMN ANDREWS
GRO Reference: 1908 S Quarter in DEPWADE Volume 04B Page 209
Source: https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/
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This site is good to check mothers’ maiden names
It shows Victor Born 1907 with mmn Howlett
Harriet Hannah b 1908 has a mother Andrews
1918 Marion Lilian has mother Howlett
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There's a parish baptismal record for Marion Lillian, daughter of Houghton and Harriet Pidgeon Walpole of Tibbenham. Baptised Dec 15th 1918.
Given the gap in the children, ending in 1918, I immediately wonder if the war was somehow involved (although Houghton looks somewhat too old to have been a soldier).
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This site is good to check mothers’ maiden names
It shows Victor Born 1907 with mmn Howlett
Harriet Hannah b 1908 has a mother Andrews
1918 Marion Lilian has mother Howlett
Which site is good to check mother's maiden names? Do you mean this forum, or another site?
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They are not siblings as they have different mother's maiden names
WALPOLE, VICTOR NELSON MMN HOWLETT
GRO Reference: 1907 J Quarter in DEPWADE Volume 04B Page 228
WALPOLE, HARRIET HANNAH MMN ANDREWS
GRO Reference: 1908 S Quarter in DEPWADE Volume 04B Page 209
Source: https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/
Would you mind giving me an idiots guide as to how you found that info on there please?
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There's a parish baptismal record for Marion Lillian, daughter of Houghton and Harriet Pidgeon Walpole of Tibbenham. Baptised Dec 15th 1918.
Given the gap in the children, ending in 1918, I immediately wonder if the war was somehow involved (although Houghton looks somewhat too old to have been a soldier).
Thank you very much
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There is a baby Ronald Born 1899 mmn Howlett and a death in 1900 for the same.
Alfred Ronald who was born 1901 was perhaps named after him.
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Would you mind giving me an idiots guide as to how you found that info on there please?
You have to be registered with the site. It is free and easy.
Once registered login and there are a series of options
eg place an order (for a certificate)
view an order (eg to see when it may be dispatched)
search the GRO indexes
Using search the Gro indexes you can search for birth or deaths for the years the site covers.
When you have selected search births or deaths it then is straight forward, the more information you can enter the better. Sometimes you will need to use a soundex for the names eg when names might have been misheard. Play around with it a bit and you will see its quite easy to use
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There is a baby Ronald Born 1899 mmn Howlett and a death in 1900 for the same.
Alfred Ronald who was born 1901 was perhaps named after him.
Thank you
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Would you mind giving me an idiots guide as to how you found that info on there please?
You have to be registered with the site. It is free and easy.
Once registered login and there are a series of options
eg place an order (for a certificate)
view an order (eg to see when it may be dispatched)
search the GRO indexes
Using search the Gro indexes you can search for birth or deaths for the years the site covers.
When you have selected search births or deaths it then is straight forward, the more information you can enter the better. Sometimes you will need to use a soundex for the names eg when names might have been misheard. Play around with it a bit and you will see its quite easy to use
Thank you. I've just had a play.
Tell me - when is it best to use FreeBMD to find a birth or death
And when best to use GRO?
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Thank you. I've just had a play.
Tell me - when is it best to use FreeBMD to find a birth or death
And when best to use GRO?
Well the advantage of using the GRO site is it tells you the MMN for all births whereas FreeBMD only tell you the MMN from 1911 (from memory).
However if you don't need the MMN the FreeBMD does return results much quicker in my experience and you can search a much wider time frame in one go as well
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I agree with Davidft.
Free BMD has births, marriages and deaths
See here for years of cover. Mother’s maiden name is shown after 1911.
https://www.freebmd.org.uk/
You don’t need to sign up.
GRO - you sign up but free. Only shows births with mother’s name 1837 - 1919 (I think) and shows deaths to same time.
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Also, FreeBMD only shows age at death from Jan 1866 onwards. The GRO Index shows age at death for all the years listed.
A lot of things to remember but I'm sure you will soon get the hang of it. :)
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thank you
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If you are dealing with one of those surnames where there are multiple possibilities for the spelling I find it is best to do the preliminary search on FreeBMD. So that you get the alternative spellings (as you can use wildcards there) then go over to the GRO and enter the spelling as recorded to find the maiden name.
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If you are dealing with one of those surnames where there are multiple possibilities for the spelling I find it is best to do the preliminary search on FreeBMD. So that you get the alternative spellings (as you can use wildcards there) then go over to the GRO and enter the spelling as recorded to find the maiden name.
Snap :-) If its a surname that really needs a search using wildcards (I have more than my fair share of those) I use the same double dip method.
Boo
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I double dip too ;D
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Baptisms of some of the children are on FreeREG;
Alfred Ronald WALPOLE Baptism 26 May 1901 Norfolk Forncett : St Peter
Winifred Harriet WALPOLE Baptism 31 Aug 1902 Norfolk Tibenham : All Saints
Harold Houghton WALPOLE Baptism 01 Jan 1905 Norfolk Tibenham : All Saints
Leslie Hubert WALPOLE Baptism 29 Jul 1906 Norfolk Tibenham : All Saints
Victor Nelson WALPOLE Baptism 18 Aug 1907 Norfolk Tibenham : All Saints
Marion Lillan WALPOLE Baptism 15 Dec 1918 Norfolk Tibenham : All Saints
Trish :)
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Baptisms of some of the children are on FreeREG;
Alfred Ronald WALPOLE Baptism 26 May 1901 Norfolk Forncett : St Peter
Winifred Harriet WALPOLE Baptism 31 Aug 1902 Norfolk Tibenham : All Saints
Harold Houghton WALPOLE Baptism 01 Jan 1905 Norfolk Tibenham : All Saints
Leslie Hubert WALPOLE Baptism 29 Jul 1906 Norfolk Tibenham : All Saints
Victor Nelson WALPOLE Baptism 18 Aug 1907 Norfolk Tibenham : All Saints
Marion Lillan WALPOLE Baptism 15 Dec 1918 Norfolk Tibenham : All Saints
Trish :)
This is very helpful, thank you
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My tactic is to look for possible children of a couple on Freebmd and on Familysearch, and then what hasn't been confirmed on the census returns, can be verified from mother's maiden name in the GRO indexes.