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Title: James Charman Father son John Charman Ripley Surrey
Post by: verdia on Friday 26 June 20 02:34 BST (UK)
Looking for 1871 census for Ripley Surrey.  James Charman Father   John Charman Son.
Title: Re: James Charman Father son John Charman Ripley Surrey
Post by: Jamjar on Friday 26 June 20 04:05 BST (UK)
Their ages/birth years would help?

There is a problem with the marriage registration on FreeBMD. I think, as there is one male short in the list:

Sep 1850 Guildford 4 187
HARMS Ann

Sep 1850 Guildford 4 30[79] - says no spouse found
CHARMAN James Elston

Likely death:

CHARMAN, ANN  34 
GRO Reference: 1865  J Quarter in GUILDFORD  Volume 02A  Page 31

Possible death:

CHARMAN, JAMES  51 
GRO Reference: 1875  D Quarter in GUILDFORD  Volume 02A  Page 53

1861: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q2MG-TZDC

1871: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VRNN-PJH
1871, Grace: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VRNN-2RF

CHARMAN, HENRY mmn HARMS 
GRO Reference: 1854  D Quarter in GUILDFORD  Volume 02A  Page 36
Possibles:
Marriage:
Jun 1875 Norwich 4b 257
CHARMAN Henry
YOUNGS Sarah
1881: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q278-7CSZ
1891: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:4H3K-KN2
Children:
CHARMAN, ELIZABETH  ANN mmn YOUNGS 
GRO Reference: 1879  S Quarter in NORWICH  Volume 04B  Page 116
CHARMAN, ETHEL  MARGARET mmn YOUNGS 
GRO Reference: 1888  S Quarter in NORWICH  Volume 04B  Page 141

CHARMAN, ALFRED mmn HARMS 
GRO Reference: 1856  D Quarter in GUILDFORD  Volume 02A  Page 35

CHARMAN, JOHN mmn HARMS 
GRO Reference: 1858  D Quarter in GUILDFORD  Volume 02A  Page 38

CHARMAN, GRACE mmn HARMS 
GRO Reference: 1861  M Quarter in GUILDFORD  Volume 02A  Page 44
Marriage:
Dec 1880 Guildford 2a 71
ROKER John
CHARMAN Grace
Deaths:
ROKER, GRACE  62 
GRO Reference: 1922  S Quarter in GUILDFORD  Volume 02A  Page 92  Occasional Copy: A
ROKER, JOHN  73 
GRO Reference: 1929  D Quarter in GUILDFORD  Volume 02A  Page 139

1881: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q277-VCNP
1891: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QFD7-8T2
1901: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X9X9-YZ9
1911: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XW84-3W2
Children:
ROKER, GRACE  ELLEN mmn CHARMAN 
GRO Reference: 1880  D Quarter in GUILDFORD  Volume 02A  Page 64
ROKER, ANN mmn CHARMAN 
GRO Reference: 1882  S Quarter in GUILDFORD  Volume 02A  Page 68
ROKER, JOHN mmn CHAVMAN (sic)
GRO Reference: 1885  M Quarter in GUILDFORD  Volume 02A  Page 70
ROKER, HARRIET  JANE mmn CHARMAN 
GRO Reference: 1887  J Quarter in GUILDFORD  Volume 02A  Page 68
ROKER, CALEB mmn CHARMAN
GRO Reference: 1889  D Quarter in GUILDFORD  Volume 02A  Page 65
ROKER, DICK mmn CHARMAN 
GRO Reference: 1892  M Quarter in GUILDFORD  Volume 02A  Page 69
ROKER, ROSE mmn CHARMAN 
GRO Reference: 1895  D Quarter in GUILDFORD  Volume 02A  Page 63
ROKER, ALLAN  AUSTIN mmn CHARMAN 
GRO Reference: 1899  M Quarter in GUILDFORD  Volume 02A  Page 76
ROKER, WALTER  EDWARD mmn CHARMAN 
GRO Reference: 1901  S Quarter in GUILDFORD  Volume 02A  Page 81
ROKER, JESSIE mmn CHARMAN 
GRO Reference: 1903  D Quarter in GUILDFORD  Volume 02A  Page 88

Jamjar
Title: Re: James Charman Father son John Charman Ripley Surrey
Post by: verdia on Friday 26 June 20 04:41 BST (UK)
Thank you. Son John Charman born 1858.
Title: Re: James Charman Father son John Charman Ripley Surrey
Post by: Jamjar on Friday 26 June 20 04:48 BST (UK)
I’ve added more information to previous post.

Jamjar
Title: Re: James Charman Father son John Charman Ripley Surrey
Post by: Jamjar on Friday 26 June 20 05:14 BST (UK)
Ann Harms in 1841: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MQKC-G4H

Jamjar
Title: Re: James Charman Father son John Charman Ripley Surrey
Post by: verdia on Friday 26 June 20 05:18 BST (UK)
Thank you so much. :) :) :)
Title: Re: James Charman Father son John Charman Ripley Surrey
Post by: Jamjar on Friday 26 June 20 05:58 BST (UK)
Information added to Reply #1, for Henry and Grace.

Jamjar
Title: Re: James Charman Father son John Charman Ripley Surrey
Post by: BumbleB on Friday 26 June 20 08:07 BST (UK)
Sorry for this  :'( :'(

8 September 1850 - St Mary, Worpleston

James Elston Charman (x), full age, bachelor, Labourer.  Father:  James, Carter
Amelia Radford (x), full age, widow.  Father:  William Cook, Labourer

15 September 1850  St Michael, Guildford

Peter Chowney (x), full age, bachelor, Labourer.  Father:  John, Labourer
Ann Harms, full age, spinster.  Father:  John, Labourer

Images for both marriages available on Ancestry.
Title: Re: James Charman Father son John Charman Ripley Surrey
Post by: verdia on Friday 26 June 20 08:59 BST (UK)
Many thanks, Bumble B. :) :) :)
Title: Re: James Charman Father son John Charman Ripley Surrey
Post by: Girl Guide on Friday 26 June 20 11:22 BST (UK)
This appears to be John's birth registration

CHARMAN, JOHN       HARMS 
GRO Reference: 1858  D Quarter in GUILDFORD  Volume 02A  Page 38
Title: Re: James Charman Father son John Charman Ripley Surrey
Post by: BumbleB on Friday 26 June 20 11:28 BST (UK)
John was baptised 27 February 1859 at St Mary, Send - son of James (Labourer) and Ann Charman of Send.

Title: Re: James Charman Father son John Charman Ripley Surrey
Post by: BumbleB on Friday 26 June 20 12:37 BST (UK)
How about this marriage:

28 March 1853 - St Paul, St George Hanover Square

James CharmEn (x), 28, bachelor, Groom.  Father:  Henry, Sailor or Tailor  :-\
Ann Harms, 22, spinster.  Father:  James, Farmer

Title: Re: James Charman Father son John Charman Ripley Surrey
Post by: verdia on Saturday 27 June 20 00:08 BST (UK)
Would any one have the 1861 census for Ripley. With a James and Ameila or a James and Ann?    Thank you for all the help.
Title: Re: James Charman Father son John Charman Ripley Surrey
Post by: Jamjar on Saturday 27 June 20 02:43 BST (UK)
Quote from: verdia on Saturday 27 June 20 00:08 BST (UK)
Would any one have the 1861 census for Ripley. With a James and Ameila or a James and Ann?    Thank you for all the help.

The 1861 was posted by me in Reply #1, yesterday.

Jamjar
Title: Re: James Charman Father son John Charman Ripley Surrey
Post by: Jamjar on Saturday 27 June 20 02:47 BST (UK)
Quote from: BumbleB on Friday 26 June 20 12:37 BST (UK)
How about this marriage:

28 March 1853 - St Paul, St George Hanover Square

James CharmEn (x), 28, bachelor, Groom.  Father:  Henry, Sailor or Tailor  :-\
Ann Harms, 22, spinster.  Father:  James, Farmer

Here are Ann’s folks in 1851, 1841 previously posted:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGJK-T1Q

Jamjar
Title: Re: James Charman Father son John Charman Ripley Surrey
Post by: Jamjar on Saturday 27 June 20 03:04 BST (UK)
This may be James in 1841 and 1851:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MQKC-G5S

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGKD-H6L

Jamjar

Title: Re: James Charman Father son John Charman Ripley Surrey
Post by: verdia on Saturday 27 June 20 05:55 BST (UK)
Thanks   :) :)