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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Topic started by: markheal on Friday 26 June 20 17:05 BST (UK)
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Was there ever a 1939 Register for Northern Ireland? If not, why not?
I have three passengers giving a BANGOR address. Mother Edna Gwendoline born 1922 and twins children born 19 July 1953 possibly in USA. I have yet to find the MERRYWEATHER father.
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Have you looked on TNA website
https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/results/r?_q=1939+register+northern+ireland&_sd=&_ed=&_hb=
https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C4763949
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See also https://www.irish-genealogy-toolkit.com/1939-national-register.html
Stan
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Marriage possiblity in England?
Dec 1943 Colchester 4a 1697
Anderson, Edna G. - spouse Merryweather
Merryweather, John P. - spouse Anderson
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UK incoming passenger lists
Aug 1950, on the Accra
John P Merryweather, 28, Mining Asst.
proposed address 3 Beverley Dr, Beverley Hills, Bangor, Co. Down
last residence Gold Coast
Nov 1951, Apapa
John Patrick Merryweather, 29. Mining Engineer
proposed address 3 Beverley Dr, Beverley Hills, Bangor
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On FamilySearch
England, Essex Parish Registers, 1538-1997
16 October 1943
John Patrick Maryweather (sic)
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Edna Gwendolyn Anderson
Fathers named.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:W36V-8XW2
A volunteer indexed this record for you.
From microfilm 4298762
https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/results?count=20&query=%2Bfilm_number%3A4298762
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OCR text, see original
Portadown News, 4 December 1943
The wedding has taken pace at West Mersea of Lieut. John Patrick Merryweather, younger son of Rev. E. A. and ? Merryweather, ? Lodge, West Mersea, and Miss Edna Gwendolyn Anderson younger daughter of Mr. and Mrs. T. G. Anderson, Queen's Parade, Bangor. The bride was formerly a member....
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1939 Register free index has
Ernest A Merryweather, b. 1884, living at Crouch House Farm, Blackleath, Lexden and Winstree R.D., Essex, England.
Death for him in Essex in 1965, age 80
Probate for the Rev Ernest Augustus Merryweather of Langhoe Lodge, St. Peters Road, West Mersea, Essex
Died 28 Sep 1965 at Essex County Hospital, Colchester
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Is this the birth of John Patrick?
Sep 1923 Barrow upon Soar 7a 269
Merryweather, John P
mother Portus
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Edna seems to be travelling with her mother Olive Bell Anderson on the Barory in 1947
New York Passenger and Crew Lists, 1909, 1925-1957
Index of Edna
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:24P2-1T2
Two images
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QSQ-G94V-Y99Y-4?i=1008&cc=192388
Olive Bell Anderson, 49 yrs 10 mos, last permanent residence Porthdown, Ireland
Relative - Husband T G Anderson, 36 Queens Pde. Bangor
Going to daughter H Mc Queston in Montreal, Canada
Below her is Edna, 23, relative Father, (ditto) same address, going to Sister, (ditto) same address
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Is this the marriage of Edna's parents?
16 February 1917, Richhill, Armagh
Thomas George Anderson, 27, Provision Merchant
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Olive Hewitt, 20, Farmer's Daughter
Married in the Methodist Church
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1917/09733/5531500.pdf
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Going to daughter H Mc Queston in Montreal, Canada
We need a daughter/sister H, older than Edna
A birth reg in Banbridge of a Hazel Doreen Anderson
Born 30 October 1918
Father Thomas George, a ? Merchant
Mother Olive, formerly Hewitt
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1918/01266/1525256.pdf
The exact place could be Tandragee or something like that, similar to that given as Edna's place of birth on the 1947 manifest.
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Rosie, many thanks for the definitive clue that the 1939 N.I. Register has yet to be digitized.
Jon, Many thanks for all these many clues and pointers. The Portadown wedding announcement started to get me on the right path for both MERRYWEATHER and ANDERSON families. Patrick seems to have been a mining engineer.
Thank you both!
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See also https://www.irish-genealogy-toolkit.com/1939-national-register.html
Stan
Stan,
Many thanks for this useful article with the 2020 update below:
Important!
November 2018
Due to the ongoing political impasse in Northern Ireland, Freedom of Information requests are not being processed. In other words, FOI has been suspended.
January 2020
Stormont is getting its act together again (fingers crossed). FOI may follow.
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PRONI is the place to go to for the 1939 General Register, taken on 29th September 1939. Unfortunately, due to COVID-19 they are closed and unable to receive requests by phone or e-mail.
https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/proni
Once open again, make a request via their on-line request form (https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/forms/proni-enquiry) stating a freedom of information request. You must give an address (including number) or, in the country a townland name. They will respond with an e-mail attaching the relevant register entry, but redacted if any of the persons on it are under 100 years old. You can reply sending death certificates for the relevant persons so that a name can be un-redacted and a new register entry sent.
KG
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Two examples of the heading of the 1939 General register form:
1. 15 Hopefield Avenue, Portrush
2. Townland of Dunminning, Glarryford
KG
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Was there ever a 1939 Register for Northern Ireland? If not, why not?
There is a 1939 Register for Northern Ireland and as others have explained PRONI holds it. The records are not on-line. Part of the reason is the layout. The British version has personal records on one side and medical records on the other, making it easy to scan and to ignore the private medical records. The NI version has the information in vertical order with medical and personal information mixed up. Scanning but excluding the medical information was just too difficult, and so it hasn’t been possible to put the records on-line. You have to contact PRONI to request a search under the FOI. (When they re-open). They redact the medical information (manually).
An additional problem is that you can only search by address/townland. So if you know where your ancestor lived you can ask for a search but if you are just searching for Joe Bloggs in Northern Ireland in 1939, without an address, they can’t do that though it would be possible in the GB Register.
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Elwyn Soutter,
thank you for your clear, concise and understandable explanation!
There are so many wrinkles to learn about how our record were produced and why I stumble around scratching my bald head!
Mark