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Title: Thomas birth mystery
Post by: Quarryman on Saturday 27 June 20 13:27 BST (UK)
Could anyone help me solve the mystery of why my aunt = Doris Amy Trevor Thomas - was born in Beeston in 1904 but her birth registered in Basford in 1905.

Addresses, if possible, would be an enormous help.
Title: Re: Thomas birth mystery
Post by: PaulineJ on Saturday 27 June 20 13:38 BST (UK)
For a start,shes not Amy. What proves where she was born and what evidence gave a 1904 date?

THOMAS, DORIS  AGNES TREVOR    KITE 
GRO Reference: 1905  M Quarter in BASFORD  Volume 07B  Page 239
Title: Re: Thomas birth mystery
Post by: heywood on Saturday 27 June 20 13:39 BST (UK)
Do you have her in the census? I can only find that one birth with mmn Kite  :-\
Title: Re: Thomas birth mystery
Post by: rosie99 on Saturday 27 June 20 13:41 BST (UK)
The GRO index shows the qtr that the birth was registered not necessarily when she was born.

Basford reg district covers Beeston
https://www.ukbmd.org.uk/reg/districts/basford.html

Was she born in the last few weeks of 1904
Title: Re: Thomas birth mystery
Post by: heywood on Saturday 27 June 20 13:42 BST (UK)
I found her and siblings with Kite mother so all fine.
I was going to reiterate Rosie re the district when I found her in Liverpool in 1911.
Title: Re: Thomas birth mystery
Post by: stanmapstone on Saturday 27 June 20 13:50 BST (UK)
As you had 42 days to register a birth she could have been born at the end of November 1904, and registered in January 1905, which would be in the March Registration ¼ 1905.

Stan
Title: Re: Thomas birth mystery
Post by: Quarryman on Saturday 27 June 20 14:07 BST (UK)
In the 1901 census the family - minus mother Amy Kezia Thomas' (nee Kite) husband Arthur John Thomas who was away at the Second Boer War - are living at Bassant Road, Plumstead/Woolwich in London/Kent.

In 1911 they are living in Ivy Street, Liverpool. The census has Doris Agnes TREVOR Thomas aged 6, born Beeston.

I am trying to fill in the gaps between 1904 and 1911 by attempting to find out the address at which the Thomas family were living in Nottinghamshire in that timeframe. 
Title: Re: Thomas birth mystery
Post by: Quarryman on Saturday 27 June 20 14:09 BST (UK)
Hi guys (again) as she was registered in the first quarter of 1905 I guess she was born at the end of 1904.
Title: Re: Thomas birth mystery
Post by: rosie99 on Saturday 27 June 20 14:29 BST (UK)
1939 register suggests she was born in November
Title: Re: Thomas birth mystery
Post by: Quarryman on Saturday 27 June 20 14:40 BST (UK)
Sounds about right, Rosie99 . My quest would be simpler if I could get  Doris' birth certificate, but proving impossible under present circumstances.
Title: Re: Thomas birth mystery
Post by: rosie99 on Saturday 27 June 20 14:42 BST (UK)
Not impossible it may just take longer than usual  :)
Title: Re: Thomas birth mystery
Post by: Annette7 on Saturday 27 June 20 15:32 BST (UK)
Doris married a Frank R Massey Sept.1931 West Derby, Lancs. and this is her death entry:

Doris Agnes T Massey - born 29/11/1904, died Dec.1998 Sedgemoor, Somerset.

This birth date ties in with the post from rosie99.

Annette
Title: Re: Thomas birth mystery
Post by: stanmapstone on Saturday 27 June 20 15:35 BST (UK)
So I was right in my reply #5

Stan
Title: Re: Thomas birth mystery
Post by: Comberton on Saturday 27 June 20 17:25 BST (UK)
Born 29th November 1904 according to school admission records.

From electoral rolls for Rushcliffe, Nottinghamshire

Beeston (Chilwell Division)
1905 & 1906 Arthur John Thomas 12 Bayley Street

Beeston (Beeston Division)
1907 Arthur John Thomas 11 Dovecote Lane
Title: Re: Thomas birth mystery
Post by: Comberton on Saturday 27 June 20 17:31 BST (UK)
Liverpool electoral roll
1909-1910
Arthur John Thomas 6 Ivy Street
Title: Re: Thomas birth mystery
Post by: Quarryman on Saturday 27 June 20 18:10 BST (UK)
Many, many thanks, Comberton, you have filled in the last pieces in a complex family history. Can I assume the family were'him at both addresses?
Title: Re: Thomas birth mystery
Post by: Comberton on Saturday 27 June 20 18:17 BST (UK)
Only one person listed per household and almost all of them men  I would think.
Title: Re: Thomas birth mystery
Post by: heywood on Saturday 27 June 20 18:36 BST (UK)
Many, many thanks, Comberton, you have filled in the last pieces in a complex family history. Can I assume the family were'him at both addresses?

I posted on your other thread re an address (possibly from) Liverpool schools admissions.

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=833493.msg6982571#msg6982571

Find My Past has Liverpool Schools Admissions and an entry for Ella A Thomas b 1898 in 1910. There should be an address there.

There is also one for  Gwendoline A in 1909 but the year of birth shows 1901 so may not be yours  :-\
Title: Re: Thomas birth mystery
Post by: Quarryman on Sunday 28 June 20 11:00 BST (UK)
Hi Comberton,

I asume that only male names on electoral roll was because women didn't get the vote until 1918.
Title: Re: Thomas birth mystery
Post by: rosie99 on Saturday 04 July 20 08:28 BST (UK)
Not all women got the vote in 1918  :)

Representation of the People Act 1918
In 1918 the Representation of the People Act was passed which allowed women over the age of 30 who met a property qualification to vote. Although 8.5 million women met this criteria, it was only about two-thirds of the total population of women in the UK.

The same Act abolished property and other restrictions for men, and extended the vote to virtually all men over the age of 21. Additionally, men in the armed forces could vote from the age of 19. The electorate increased from eight to 21 million, but there was still huge inequality between women and men.

Equal Franchise Act 1928
It was not until the Equal Franchise Act of 1928 that women over 21 were able to vote and women finally achieved the same voting rights as men. This act increased the number of women eligible to vote to 15 million.
Title: Re: Thomas birth mystery
Post by: Quarryman on Saturday 04 July 20 19:48 BST (UK)
Thanks for the tutorial, rosie99.
STAY SAFE
Title: Re: Thomas birth mystery
Post by: rosie99 on Sunday 05 July 20 10:31 BST (UK)
Thanks for the tutorial, rosie99.
STAY SAFE

I know I always have to look it up as I can't remember the dates.  ;D