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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Lanarkshire => Topic started by: CalaBee on Monday 29 June 20 04:39 BST (UK)
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Hello,
I'm trying to find any information on the family of Edgar Thompson-Boyd.
Born Glascow 1862 / 1863
Died 1942.
Edgar was a dentist who migrated to Australia.
Any replies will be much appreciated
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You must surely know more about him than that.
Whom, where and when did he marry?
Where did he train to be a dentist?
Where in Australia did he die? Have you found an obituary in a newspaper?
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Edgar married Elizabeth Ann Ogg 1896 Victoria, Australia.
He died in 1942, I am not certain where at this stage.
Edgar lived in Melbourne, Australia.
I am trying to find the names of his parents.
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Are his parents not named on his marriage certificate then?
The thing is that I can't find a likely birth for him at www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk, which is where any record should be. I wonder if he could have changed his name at some point?
There is a death certificate showing his death in South Yarra, VIC, in 1942, aged 79. Unusually, it doesn't list the names of his parents. There is also a marriage in 1942 to Elsie Irene Jones.
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Thank you for taking the time to look. Perhaps his surname was Boyd? Middle name Thompson.
It is possible also that he may have changed his name.
I have read articles from Melbourne stating that he was American, from Philadelphia, yet on a ship manifest from 1915 he gave his details as Scottish, born in Glascow.
Edgar's grandson (also Edgar) married Elsie in 1942.
I'm unable to find any documentation of his parents names, although in 1896 an Amy Thompson Boyd died in Victoria, aged 52 (making her approximately 20 years older). Edgar put an article in the paper at this time thanking people for their recent cards and flowers during his recent bereavement.
He married Elizabeth Ann Ogg the same year.
Thanks again, your time is appreciated
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I notice Edgar's registration on his marriage Vic rego as THOMPSON Boyd Edgar, Hyphenated names always present problems in indexes and transcriptions can also make it difficult.
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This is my first hyphenated name search, and I definitely agree that they are challenging :-\
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For information and to save doubling research, some previous threads:
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=832725
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=833584
And I agree - hyphenated names can be troubling!
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My suggestion would be to get Amy Thompson Boyd's death cert online They are $20 and have lots of info; Would give when and where married, children and ages, how long in Australia.
Edgars death would not be as reliable as info would be by someone who may not have known actual facts.
Registration number; 8783 / 1896
Family name: BOYD
Given name(s) Amy Thompson
Place of event:
Brtn, Australia [Brighton]
Mother's name <Unknown Family Name>, Unknown
Mother's family name at birth UNKNOWN
Father's Name: <Unknown Family Name>, Merryck Edw]
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Oops!
I have just read other peoples posts from an early request and now back track from my advise unless you know it is definitely your man.
What are the proven facts you know? there are too many possibilities. No point in us all doubling up information to end up with total confusion.
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Really flimsy lead here, but it might be worth exploring IF it should turn out that the Amy who died in 1896 was indeed his wife (the previous wife's identity needs to be bottomed out), anyhow, it's a marriage notice from the Philadelphia Inquirer of 20 October 1888: BOYD-BROADWAY.-October 17, 1888, by Rev. W.H. Burrell, at his residence, No. 43 Cooper Street, Camden, N.J., Mr. THOMPSON BOYD to Mrs. AMY BROADWAY, both late of Cairo, Eygpt, now of Philadelphia - another shot in the dark on this track is a marriage that was registered at Kensington district England in June 1880 between a James Broadway and an Amy Meyrick.
The New York Evening Telegram of 29 March, 1890 had an article listing some of the passengers on transatlantic liners leaving port that day, on the 'City of Berlin' bound for Liverpool it mentioned Dr. E. Thompson Boyd, Mrs Boyd. I haven't found the relevant manifest to be able to rule this in or out or see if it provides more information, such as her forename.
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That is a promising lead...…. on the registration of Amy's death registration it has the name of father family name Edw Merryck so that would fit in nicely IF it is the same Albert.
I found him in Australia on 1903 electoral roll.. as dentist living in Caufield Victoria with [I guess His second wife] Elizabeth.
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>>>I'm unable to find any documentation of his parents names, although in 1896 an Amy Thompson Boyd died in Victoria, aged 52 (making her approximately 20 years older). Edgar put an article in the paper at this time thanking people for their recent cards and flowers during his recent bereavement.
He married Elizabeth Ann Ogg the same year.
Thanks again, your time is appreciated<<<<
Just a thought to these last posts by gaffy and myself I wonder is it possible that Amy is Albert's mother and not Wife?
Would be worth the $20 to clear this up one way or another...seems there is a connection.
Registration number; 8783 / 1896
Family name: BOYD
Given name(s) Amy Thompson
Place of event:
Brtn, Australia [Brighton]
Mother's name <Unknown Family Name>, Unknown
Mother's family name at birth UNKNOWN
Father's Name: <Unknown Family Name>, Merryck Edw]
>>>>[Really flimsy lead here, but it might be worth exploring IF it should turn out that the Amy who died in 1896 was indeed his wife (the previous wife's identity needs to be bottomed out), anyhow, it's a marriage notice from the Philadelphia Inquirer of 20 October 1888: BOYD-BROADWAY.-October 17, 1888, by Rev. W.H. Burrell, at his residence, No. 43 Cooper Street, Camden, N.J., Mr. THOMPSON BOYD to Mrs. AMY BROADWAY, both late of Cairo, Eygpt, now of Philadelphia - another shot in the dark on this track is a marriage that was registered at Kensington district England in June 1880 between a James Broadway and an Amy Meyrick.]
[The New York Evening Telegram of 29 March, 1890 had an article listing some of the passengers on transatlantic liners leaving port that day, on the 'City of Berlin' bound for Liverpool it mentioned Dr. E. Thompson Boyd, Mrs Boyd. I haven't found the relevant manifest to be able to rule this in or out or see if it provides more information, such as her forename]<<<<<
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Really flimsy lead here, but it might be worth exploring IF it should turn out that the Amy who died in 1896 was indeed his wife (the previous wife's identity needs to be bottomed out), anyhow, it's a marriage notice from the Philadelphia Inquirer of 20 October 1888: BOYD-BROADWAY.-October 17, 1888, by Rev. W.H. Burrell, at his residence, No. 43 Cooper Street, Camden, N.J., Mr. THOMPSON BOYD to Mrs. AMY BROADWAY, both late of Cairo, Eygpt, now of Philadelphia - another shot in the dark on this track is a marriage that was registered at Kensington district England in June 1880 between a James Broadway and an Amy Meyrick.
The New York Evening Telegram of 29 March, 1890 had an article listing some of the passengers on transatlantic liners leaving port that day, on the 'City of Berlin' bound for Liverpool it mentioned Dr. E. Thompson Boyd, Mrs Boyd. I haven't found the relevant manifest to be able to rule this in or out or see if it provides more information, such as her forename.
That is a great find - lots of coincidences there worth following up! I had a quick look in US newspapers the other day, but couldn't find anything, well done :)
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Very bad scan, but there is this marriage notice in the Daily Telegraph Thursday, June 3, 1880 :
"BROADWAY - MEYRICK On the 2[?]th ult. at West London [?] by the Rev. Henry Varley, James Broadway of C[?- could be Cairo] to Amy, daughter of the late George Meyrick of [?]."
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Also:
"DEATHS .. On the 10th Oct, at his residence in Cairo, JAMES BROADWAY of heart disease, after a long and protracted illness, aged 53."
The Times, Thursday, Nov. 3, 1887
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Possibly of interest:
"MARRIAGES ... On the 2nd inst., at the British Consulate, Cairo, Egypt, James Broadway, fourth son of William Broadway, Salem House, Pangbourne, Berks, to Jane Scully, daughter of the late Scinde Scully Esq., chief engineer to Abbas Pasha, Viceroy of Egypt."
Reading Mercury, Saturday, Sept. 28, 1861 (and various other papers too)
"DEATHS .. BROADWAY - Sept, 10, at Cairo, Jane, the beloved wife of James Broadway Esq., aged 36."
The Standard, Monday, Sept. 30, 1878
DEATHS ... BROADWAY - On the 3rd inst., at 61. Kennington-park-road, S.E., Sigismund Alexander William Edward Broadway, M.R.C.S., Eng., B.R.C.P. Lond., only son of the late James Broadway, of Cairo, Egypt, aged twenty-eight years."
Morning Post, Saturday, Nov. 12, 1892
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Thanks so much to everyone who has taken time to look into this family.
Edgar remains somewhat of a mystery.. He is buried at Brighton Cemetery (Melbourne) with Amy Thompson d. 1896.
I will order Amy Thompson Boyd's death certificate and hopefully this will clear up whether she was Edgar's first wife, or his mother.
She would have been 20 years older, and I've seen no children of this marriage. Edgar married Elizabeth the same year Amy died, and had also had a child. As Amy died 16/07/1896 it seems strange that he could marry and father a child in the remaining months.
It is still a puzzle with the name Meyrick / Merryck being Amy's maiden name.
Hopefully we can track down where Broadway fits in!
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Wow Maddy, where do you find this information? :D
I noted previously that Mr Thompson Boyd married 'Mrs' Amy Broadway in Philadelphia 1888, both of Cairo.
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Very bad scan, but there is this marriage notice in the Daily Telegraph Thursday, June 3, 1880 :
"BROADWAY - MEYRICK On the 2[?]th ult. at West London [?] by the Rev. Henry Varley, James Broadway of C[?- could be Cairo] to Amy, daughter of the late George Meyrick of [?]."
I had fingers crossed for the father's name being Edward (to match up with the father of Amy who died in Australia in 1896), so maybe a wild goose chase I've started. It is intriguing though, that James Broadway was a dentist.
Edited to add: (Dublin Daily Express, 26 September 1861)
Broadway and Scully - September 2, at the Consulate, Cairo, Eygpt, Mr. James Broadway, dentist, Moskee, Cairo, son of William Broadway, Esq., Salem House, Pangbourne, near Reading, to Jane, second daughter of the late Mr. Simon Scully, engineer, formerly of Belfast.
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The dates are all very interesting,
I wonder if Edgar Thompson-Boyd was a student / working with James Broadway.
James died in 1887, and in 1888 Mrs Amy Broadway married Mr Thompson Boyd in Philadelphia.
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great news CalaBee. please let us know the result of the death certificate. Do you know they can be downloaded online?
Good work gaffy.
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I'll get straight onto that, and absolutey I will let you know.
Thank you so much
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Forgot to mention on the detailed death rego of Vic bmd's says Edgars father was Thompson Boyd and mother Elizabeth Anne Ogg
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Broadway and Scully - September 2, at the Consulate, Cairo, Eygpt, Mr. James Broadway, dentist, Moskee, Cairo, son of William Broadway, Esq., Salem House, Pangbourne, near Reading, to Jane, second daughter of the late Mr. Simon Scully, engineer, formerly of Belfast.
Yes, son Sigismund's (medical student) marriage to Blanche WALSH (widow) in 1886 has father James BROADWAY, dentist. They can be found in the 1891 census at Lurline Gardens, Battersea also with sister Beatrice BROADWAY (c1869).
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QS3X-12M
Wow Maddy, where do you find this information? :D
I love looking at old newspapers. I mostly use British Library Newspapers, free to search online via my Australian National Library card - are you in Oz? Here's the link to obtain a card and start the incredibly engrossing and time consuming habit! Other libraries have similar access. :)
https://www.nla.gov.au/getalibrarycard/registration
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Really flimsy lead here, but it might be worth exploring IF it should turn out that the Amy who died in 1896 was indeed his wife (the previous wife's identity needs to be bottomed out), anyhow, it's a marriage notice from the Philadelphia Inquirer of 20 October 1888: BOYD-BROADWAY.-October 17, 1888, by Rev. W.H. Burrell, at his residence, No. 43 Cooper Street, Camden, N.J., Mr. THOMPSON BOYD to Mrs. AMY BROADWAY, both late of Cairo, Eygpt, now of Philadelphia
Just to add - marriage entry Thos. BOYD and Amy BROADWAY 16 Oct 1888 at Camden, New Jersey
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FZGT-7ZH
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maddys52….. Fantastic sleuthing..... lets hope the death cert of Amy will fill the gaps and link it all together.... fingers crossed.
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Hello to you all,
I hope I've posted this in the right place..
I finally recieved the download death certificate for Amy.
She WAS married to Edgar, in New Jersey! (20 years her junior).
What a mysterious man, marrying Amy after her 1st husband died (and perhaps fleeing Egypt to do so).. then marrying Elizabeth the same year Amy died.
He was buried with Amy in 1942.
Thanks so much to you all for your time and help!
- Oh, and Maddy, I'll never get anything else done now that you've shown me how to read even more old papers..
Absolutely love it!
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What an interesting turn of events. :)
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That's great to have confirmation! Very interesting family, now to try to find something on Edgar's family ...
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That's been tricky.. No record of his birth in Scotland under Thompson-Boyd.. Unless he hyphenated his own name.
I did find a Georgina Thompson Boyd born Glascow 1861, but no further details.
Edgar died 1942 im Vic, aged 79. A notice was put in the paper by his cousins Annie and Grace.
His death certificate says he was born in Scotland.
I love solving the puzzle! ;D
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I was wondering about those cousins Annie and Grace, tracking them down may provide some clues. Though very difficult as I don't think there is a surname is there :-\
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No surname unfortunately.. they could be married also..
But another adventure...